1. #8681
    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: 10.0 will likely be based off Light and Shadow and the new continent will be the Dragon Isles.
    Light vs Shadow and dragons... Kinda far from each other

  2. #8682
    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: 10.0 will likely be based off Light and Shadow and the new continent will be the Dragon Isles.
    For expac like this I would like to see something like that:

    - both Light and Void feel Azeroth's awakening is close and attack at same time
    - we don't know Light and Void are both enemies
    - initially Horde & Ally want ally with Light, but seeing what Turalyon and Yrel are doing, some switch to Void (enemy of my enemy is my friend), Alleria mediate between two sides
    - Light and Void are something similar to covenants, but entirely cosmetic choice (+ different storylines, casual activities, maybe visual spell changes?)
    - War mode is all about Light vs. Void, not Horde and Ally
    - still Light & Void can play PVE together, Horde and Ally as well
    - Dragon Isles (something something strong artifacts are here)
    - level 70 (let's cook that frog slowly before they start level squish every expac)
    - Tinker hero class with strong titan theme
    - professions revamp
    - evolution of solo challenge content
    - later into expac we join forces (something like patch 9.1.5 mechanic wise), fight both invaders and patch introduce 3rd cosmetic "covenant" (Azeroth/order)
    - big finale is Azeroth's birth from Silithus wound (planet is not destroyed).

    Imo that would be perfect time for complete revamp in 11.0, just EK/Kalimdor (pristine, not demolished), down to earth expac, squish to 60, heroic world mode (revamp of War mode where beside PVP you have much harder world and better rewards), housing etc.

    Or 10.0 will be revamp and we return to cosmic conflict later. For sure I don't think combining these two (Light/Void and revamp) would be good idea. From story POV I would like more big cosmic finale -> revamp, but maybe game needs revamp first.

  3. #8683
    Quote Originally Posted by Black Rider View Post
    Light vs Shadow and dragons... Kinda far from each other
    So was Factio nwar and N'zoth, but Blizzard did it anyways for BfA.

    Also they might not seem like they ahve much relation on the surface level, but you don't need to dig far to find reasons that link them together. Deathwing being turned by agents of the Void for instance.

    The easiest link is the one that places something important to Azeroth on the Dragon Isles, the dragon isles brings the dragons, and the overarching plot is how the Light and Void are fighting over Azeroth, necessitating both the return of the Aspects, as well as the macguffin hidden on the Dragon Isles.
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  4. #8684
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    So was Factio nwar and N'zoth, but Blizzard did it anyways for BfA.

    Also they might not seem like they ahve much relation on the surface level, but you don't need to dig far to find reasons that link them together. Deathwing being turned by agents of the Void for instance.

    The easiest link is the one that places something important to Azeroth on the Dragon Isles, the dragon isles brings the dragons, and the overarching plot is how the Light and Void are fighting over Azeroth, necessitating both the return of the Aspects, as well as the macguffin hidden on the Dragon Isles.
    The dragons being the titan-designated protectors of Azeroth alone is enough of a connection, because both the light and the void in excess pose a danger to the planet.
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  5. #8685
    Quote Originally Posted by Black Rider View Post
    Light vs Shadow and dragons... Kinda far from each other
    I think Dragons are more likely to have a strong connection to life.
    The Turalyon stuff is probably more part of the faction story than the big showdown of Light & Shadow. It's too early for that.
    Life would be the next logical step to explore as a cosmic force. It would also go well with keeping it mostly on Azeroth since life is for obvious reasons a big part of Azeroth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis igneus View Post
    The dragons being the titan-designated protectors of Azeroth alone is enough of a connection, because both the light and the void in excess pose a danger to the planet.
    You could make the same argument for Shadowlands. I doubt that, why would you explore the Dragon Isle if the main purpose of the dragon story will be about helping us against Void & Light.
    Last edited by Hellspawn; 2021-10-16 at 11:02 AM.

  6. #8686
    Quote Originally Posted by Black Rider View Post
    Light vs Shadow and dragons... Kinda far from each other
    And it sounds pretty horrible on top of that. Light and Void and Dragons. How about a big f* no? Sounds even worse than the faction war x N'zoth hodgepodge.
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  7. #8687
    The main villain of the first Void-based expansion was literally a Dragon. And we have an entire Dragonflight of Void-twisted beings.

    Have people here forgotten that or...?

  8. #8688
    I just hope Blizzard can give us 9.2 tips as soon as possible

    The long and endless waiting without any news makes me feel very tired

  9. #8689
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    I mean, if they make a dragon themed expansion its gonna be quite hard to exclude the void from it.
    They could just do a small LvV side-plot and simply keep the overarching plot about the dragons.

    We get the dragon isles, it contains an important titan facility - maybe Azeroths soul chamber - and have the main villains be a refurbished TH, lead by Xal'atath or someone else and the chromatic dragonflight (edit: and/or the infinites, forgot about those)

    Have a subplot about the Lightforged picking up arms, maybe have a new Naaru or 2 come visit with some new characters.
    They help us with the Xal'atath problem, but they never become the main focus as to avoid another BfA.

    Expansion ends, TH defeated (again), dragonflights are supercharged or something idk, Azeroths soul wasn't hijacked, etc.
    11.0 starts and the Lights forces arrive on Azeroth and demand we join them, starting another conflict with the Light as the enemy.
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  10. #8690
    Xal'atath (both the entity and the blade) looks like a Chekhov's gun, the return of the Void is predictable like the face-heel turn of the Light. To make an informed guess we should know the Jailer's (forking) plan, since we have no idea of the endgame of the current villain or how the expac could ever end we are just spitballing ideas (all more or less valid)

  11. #8691
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    I mean, if they make a dragon themed expansion its gonna be quite hard to exclude the void from it.
    Void? Yes, absolutely. Light? Uhm... one step at a time please. What I would find a lot more interesting would be the continuation of the Infinite Dragonswarm storyline, if we're getting another dragon expansion.
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  12. #8692
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Void? Yes, absolutely. Light? Uhm... one step at a time please. What I would find a lot more interesting would be the continuation of the Infinite Dragonswarm storyline, if we're getting another dragon expansion.
    We have Undead Dragons, Void Touched Dragons, Elemental Dragons(Death Wing was at a point more magma than flesh), so a Light Touched/Bound Dragon would be an interesting concept.

    Xal'atath (both the entity and the blade) looks like a Chekhov's gun, the return of the Void is predictable like the face-heel turn of the Light. To make an informed guess we should know the Jailer's (forking) plan, since we have no idea of the endgame of the current villain or how the expac could ever end we are just spitballing ideas (all more or less valid)
    Agree totally here. It is a nice twist that the blade contains N'zoth who is still sheming, while the entity roams the cosmos, awaiting us at a place we can't yet imagine.

    10.0: We need to spend some time at home, building up the new FK/NE Capitals, Dragons, Kezan, the other, unknown parts of Azeroth. One of these and then a slow introduction to a new cosmic problem, be it Light or just a faction on another planet making problems.

  13. #8693
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    I mean, if they make a dragon themed expansion its gonna be quite hard to exclude the void from it.
    They could just do a small LvV side-plot and simply keep the overarching plot about the dragons.

    We get the dragon isles, it contains an important titan facility - maybe Azeroths soul chamber - and have the main villains be a refurbished TH, lead by Xal'atath or someone else and the chromatic dragonflight (edit: and/or the infinites, forgot about those)

    Have a subplot about the Lightforged picking up arms, maybe have a new Naaru or 2 come visit with some new characters.
    They help us with the Xal'atath problem, but they never become the main focus as to avoid another BfA.

    Expansion ends, TH defeated (again), dragonflights are supercharged or something idk, Azeroths soul wasn't hijacked, etc.
    11.0 starts and the Lights forces arrive on Azeroth and demand we join them, starting another conflict with the Light as the enemy.
    I don't really think that's the case. The only flight really connected "to the Void" is the Black flight, and they aren't actually all that connected to the void, they are just heavily tied into the Old God threat because of their original charge putting them in proximity--and that threat is now theoretically dealt with, so there's not much linking them to the void at all. Moreover, the Void conflict's scale makes Dragons, who are solely concerned with the safeguarding of Azeroth, a relatively poorly suited group to lead the charge. Especially now, when we have several factions much more suited to it.

    As Nyel pointed out, Dragons are also completely removed from the Light aspect, so it'd be odd to see them at the focal point of that sort of conflict. LvV has been continuously framed as a super-high fantasy conflict full of strange extradimensional forces, tentacle space monsters, shadow space monsters, beings of pure light that build interdimensional warp ships, the space goats that serve them, incorporeal space mummies made of raw energy, etc. Dragons (and the Dragon Isles) just don't slot well into that.

    The things you are likely to see in a Dragon expansion are dragon-related issues, and there's plenty of those without the need for the Light and Void to get involved: The infinite flight and fall of Nozdormu, Elune, the "Life" cosmic faction. I'm not even particularly enthused when it comes to world revamps but it's obvious Dragon Isles and the flights are prime candidates for that, being both "grounded" in the world and covering a huge variety of themes, and pulling the Light and Void into that would likely just muddle things. I also really, really do not think that they'd do Twilight's Hammer for a SECOND revamp. It's bad enough that so many Cata-revamp zones and all the Cata-exclusive zones are full of TH cultists doing TH cultist stuff.

  14. #8694
    There's literally an entire Void-touched flight in Ny'alotha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NikolaiShade View Post
    Xal'atath (both the entity and the blade) looks like a Chekhov's gun, the return of the Void is predictable like the face-heel turn of the Light. To make an informed guess we should know the Jailer's (forking) plan, since we have no idea of the endgame of the current villain or how the expac could ever end we are just spitballing ideas (all more or less valid)
    He wants Azeroth(World soul) and its possible some artifact is in Zerath Mortis that helps with that.
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    I think a villainous faction of light-infused space nazis led by Yrel and Turalyon would be kinda neat as the threat in 10.0.
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  17. #8697
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Void? Yes, absolutely. Light? Uhm... one step at a time please. What I would find a lot more interesting would be the continuation of the Infinite Dragonswarm storyline, if we're getting another dragon expansion.
    The further we stay away from time travel the better.
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  18. #8698
    Quote Originally Posted by Felis igneus View Post
    The further we stay away from time travel the better.
    I think time travel could work very well if it's really centered around Murozond and the Infinite Dragonflight. Time travel in WoD was just done poorly and the reason that started it all was as bad as it can get.
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  19. #8699
    Light and Void shouldn’t be shoehorned into a dragon storyline. They’ll run into the same problem as BFA, they blew their load too early with N’Zoth.

    There are hints to a Light and Void expansion, yes. It means it’s going to happen in the future, not that it’ll happen soon. Let the stories happen naturally, without an overcrowding of characters and themes.

  20. #8700
    I would enjoy pre-sundering time traveling. Maybe the expansion would end with the Sundering.... with Trolls/Nelfs have the opportunity to safe some of their people that would have been otherwise killed by it and take them into current Azeroth.

    That expansion could have it all...
    Trolls, Night Elfs, Pandas, fighting Azshara and fight the Legion, maybe even some old god stuff.

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