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  1. #1301
    Quote Originally Posted by DatToffer View Post
    I personally would chose the birth of Titan Azeroth as the starting point of a revamp extension, with her and Magni guiding us to the damaged areas of the world to deal with the numerous problems.
    That's probable scenario too. From theme perspective BfA was sorta kinda MoP 2.0, and SL is WoD 2.0. 10.0 could be Legion 2.0 - "end of the world expansion", likely major Light vs Void clash set on Azeroth (Dragon Isles?). Crushing sword in Silithus and Azeroth birth there would be perfect ending.

    Then 11.0 would be time skip and complete revamp. Although I would prefer new zones to be more "pristine" or rather I should say not so heavily connected to current expansion like back in Cata.

  2. #1302
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    I wrote a quick sketch for a world revamp a while back. The basic gist of it was rediscovering Azeroth after all the world ending events. Main reputations wereexpeditionary forces for Alliance and Horde and central themes were around rebuilding and accepting hte past.
    I'd still like something involving exploration, maybe on the backside of Azeroth. We set off with a big(as in, actually big, easily sufficient as a expansion capital) ship as our home base because we're bored/sick of world saving. Problems are personal level stuff like that stupid sea giant not wanting to grant us passage, exploring lost cities and the like as dungeons and raids and stuff like that. No overarching threats, just exploring the place and punching things in the face because they're in the way.

  3. #1303
    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    No.
    Outlaw Rogue is sort of a Pirate.
    Blademaster is a Samurai.
    Yeah but that's RP flavor, not gameplay difference.
    But your duty to Azeroth is not yet complete. More is demanded of you... a price the living cannot pay.

  4. #1304
    Quote Originally Posted by Nathanyel View Post
    Yeah but that's RP flavor, not gameplay difference.
    A Samurai plays like a Pirate?

  5. #1305
    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    A Samurai plays like a Pirate?
    If the designers want it to, sure.

    Neither predefines a whole lot about their gameplay.

  6. #1306
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    If the designers want it to, sure.

    Neither predefines a whole lot about their gameplay.
    Well, if they want to they could scrap Paladins and Demon Hunters, as well.

    Actually, it does.
    Because the Blademaster has abilities and gameplay associated with it that are different from the Outlaw Rogue.
    Last edited by username993720; 2021-04-07 at 10:46 PM.

  7. #1307
    If we go for an Azeroth awakening plot then I hope we will see an underground / "Journey to the Center of the Earth" type of expansion, where we delve into the depths of the planet, discover all those ancients forgotten evils in the dark, the traces of fallen civilizations (nerubians, long fogotten Iron/earthen/proto dwarves), the titans framework to support Azeroth and then ultimately make our way to the core where we give Azeroth the final push. Though I guess it's a too early for that, since I doubt many people want to see magni or a late expansion corruption theme again any time soon.
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  8. #1308
    Is it confirmed that a titan awakening destroys the planet? I don’t want to really use Argus as an example because of the pantheon interference

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    Is it confirmed that a titan awakening destroys the planet? I don’t want to really use Argus as an example because of the pantheon interference
    Presumed at most and well Argus's birth was like a very extreme case of premature birth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by razorpax View Post
    Is it confirmed that a titan awakening destroys the planet? I don’t want to really use Argus as an example because of the pantheon interference
    Well at the very least the tides will go insane if the planet decides to fuck off somewhere.

  11. #1311
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Presumed at most and well Argus's birth was like a very extreme case of premature birth.
    Baby Argus, tadadada, baby Argus, tadadada, baby Argus

  12. #1312
    Quote Originally Posted by DatToffer View Post
    I'm curious to read it ! And I might try my hand at one !
    You should! I'd be totally interested to see what you come up with. Here's somewhat a rough sketch of what I'm thinking thus far, sorry if it's a bit long.

    World of Warcraft: A Deafening Silence
    Story: Even though the citizens of Azeroth have seemingly stopped the Jailer's attempt at corrupting Azeroth herself, Magni finds himself feeling a strange emptiness. The Speaker can no longer hear or feel anything from Azeroth, nor can MOTHER or any of the Dragonflight. The elements have become crazed and near uncontrollable, each of the Great Trees are dying, the Emerald Dream has become closed off. No one is quite sure whether Azeroth is dead, sleeping again, corrupted, or about ready to truly be born. Everyone has their own ideas as to how to discover the truth of Azeroth...and not all of them are good.

    Somewhat unrelated, without a seeming big threat to fight off for once, the Horde & Alliance finally have a chance to breathe. Since they are still under a peace treaty, each side takes this chance to rebuild while looking at the other very cautiously.

    Initial Release Zones - The way I see this working best is if Blizz releases the updated zones throughout the expansion. I worry that if they try to bite off too much at once, they'll wind up short changing things and some zones will just feel empty. Plus I'm not convinced every zone needs a full revamp as opposed to some facelifts here or there. Most of the updated zones I've thought about so far are in lower Kalimdor.

    Silithus - In this zone, we see the long term effects from Sargeras' sword and the opening of the heart chamber. We also see how the absence of Azeroth affects C'thun & the nearby Qiraji.

    Uldum - While we know some of what Reorigination was supposed to entail, what really do we know about how reorigination was going to affect Azeroth herself? Would she have been reborn? If she is dead, could this be a way to revive her? And if so, is that a sacrifice the people of Azeroth are ready to make?

    Un'goro - The landscape itself is surprisingly unchanged, but many of the monsters appear to be becoming sick & corrupted by outside forces like the Void. You'll discover why this is and what if anything you can do.

    Feralas - Unlike Un'goro, all of the trees here seem to be dying, the Great Tree most of all. If Azeroth is not around, can nature as an element really continue to thrive?

    The Chasm of Time (Max level zone) - The Infinite Dragonflight has come to believe that Azeroth truly is dead and life as we know it will soon follow. Seeing this as untenable, they have broken into thus far unseen reaches of the Caverns of Time to "set right" the timeline, no matter the cost.

    Undermine - New capital city for Alliance & Horde both. Most of the city involves Goblin greed and Gnomes trying to improve on the tech they see.

    New Races
    Alliance - Naga: After the events of Nazjatar, the Naga are very much a shattered race. Their numbers are dwindled, their home is largely broken, and they are being hunted down The knowledge they gained under N'Zoth's rule, while twisted, could be very helpful to Magni as well as the Alliance. Upon Magni's pleas, the Alliance strikes an extremely uneasy truce with Azshara to bring the Naga, their weaponry, and their knowledge to the Alliance.

    Horde - Ogre: While the Dunemaul & Stonemaul clans have always been a part of the Horde, they haven't really had any say in Horde affairs. Upon hearing there is a council rather than just a Warchief, each clan comes to join the Horde fully, but neither can get along with each other. Geya'rah regales them with her tales of how the Draenor Orc clans came together as well as what Highmaul was like in their world. She then takes them to meet some of the Gorian Orcs that escaped from AU Draenor. They put their differences aside and all join the Horde as one clan.

    New Class
    Tinker - Won't go heavy into story here, but it ties in with the rebuilding efforts.

    First Raid
    The Heart of Azeroth - Underneath the Heart chamber, MOTHER has found a once lost path. She believes that it could lead to Azeroth or at least something to help us find her.

    The Rebuilding Effort
    Both the Alliance & Horde have quite a few homeless races right now. A large part of the rebuilding effort is to fix that once and for all. So in the first patch, the Alliance will be rebuilding Gilneas for the Worgen & the Horde will be rebuilding Kezan to be a true Goblin paradise. Each .5 patch, a new pair of cities will be added to rebuild for a set of homeless races. This will be done as a profession-type minigame where the players are actually bringing materials from professions to build the cities up. There will also be some world quests around the area to clean up old enemies, replace banners, stuff like that. The items attained will all be cosmetics: mounts, pets, transmog, etc. FFXIV player will probably recognize this as the Ishgard Restoration, which is pretty much what I'm going for here.

  13. #1313
    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    A Samurai plays like a Pirate?
    A Blademaster is not a Samurai. The class borrows RP elements from the fictionalized image we have of Samurai, to the extent that you could easily RP a Blademaster as a Samurai, but they're not the same.
    You could also RP a Samurai with a Warrior, Rogue or Monk. This doesn't require Blademaster as a class.

    Either way, Blademaster as a WoW class has no real distinction from either an Arms Warrior (more likely, if mostly due to use of 2h blade weapons) or Outlaw Rogue (smaller weapons, but Agility based - while the WC3 manual mentions "Stealth", I don't think we've actually seen Blademasters use that) and their distinctive abilities (e.g. Bladestorm) have been used by these classes, as well as Monks, kinda (Mirror Images is similar to Storm, Earth, and Fire)

    This is not comparable to Demon Hunters, where Warlocks previously had one ability (Meta) that was clearly borrowed, not actual overlap.

    So it would be difficult to justify Blademaster as its own class, while there are still class ideas with actually different skillsets.
    It would fit perfectly for the Class Skin concept though, as a visual modification for Arms, or less likely, Windwalker.
    Last edited by Nathanyel; 2021-04-08 at 12:47 AM.
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  14. #1314
    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    Actually, it does.
    Because the Blademaster has abilities and gameplay associated with it that are different from the Outlaw Rogue.
    Which is utterly irrelevant to Samurai and Pirate not dictating those. Pirate dictates pretty much nothing regarding combat style since the main defining traits are completely seperate from that. Outlaw was also divorced a bit from the pirate theme after Legion.

  15. #1315
    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Well at the very least the tides will go insane if the planet decides to fuck off somewhere.
    My point is
    Does anything happen to the planet itself

  16. #1316
    Quote Originally Posted by razorpax View Post
    My point is
    Does anything happen to the planet itself
    We don't know. And even if we did know because of the birth of the pantheon titans or Argus, the situation of Azeroth is simply completely different. Azeroth has been pretty much in a titan incubator since they found her with a nasty case of the old gods, so that can already be used a plot device to make it a non-issue. Just remember the reorigination devices. Argus on the other hand was pretty much ripped out of his shell, so that Sargeras could hot-wire him into his fel-generators to power his demon respawn cheat, whereas we simply don't know what exactly happened to the worlds the Pantheon Titans originated from.

    For all we know the sword in Silithus could just be the first step to a giant Caesarean section to get her out of the planet without destroying it. Maybe she can just form her titan dust could body without any issue what so ever. Maybe she doesn't want one to begin with an pefers being a world soul. Maybe her domain - which is still rather unclear - is the plot device that makes her birth a non-isue. Besides the obvious fact that Blizzard is hardly beyond retcons, they simply already have enough leeway to come up with almost anything they want. Actually destroying the planet would probably be the most ballsy thing they could come up with though.
    Last edited by Haidaes; 2021-04-08 at 06:12 AM.
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  17. #1317
    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Well at the very least the tides will go insane if the planet decides to fuck off somewhere.
    Are there any lore sources how the birth of a titan works? I mean, most people surely think of a hatching egg but we are talking about magical beings here. I don't see why they wouldn't just kind of teleport out of the planet, keeping everything intact.
    It would be incredibly cruel of the titans to nurture worlds and create live on them with the knowledge that everything will perish once the baby titan is born. That goes against everything we know about titans.

    Edit:
    Not to forget that Azeroth guided us in saving her. How dumb would it be to save a being that will kill us all once it is born? Be it deliberately or by accident.
    Last edited by ExiHext; 2021-04-08 at 06:17 AM.

  18. #1318
    Quote Originally Posted by Nathanyel View Post
    A Blademaster is not a Samurai. The class borrows RP elements from the fictionalized image we have of Samurai, to the extent that you could easily RP a Blademaster as a Samurai, but they're not the same.
    You could also RP a Samurai with a Warrior, Rogue or Monk. This doesn't require Blademaster as a class.

    Either way, Blademaster as a WoW class has no real distinction from either an Arms Warrior (more likely, if mostly due to use of 2h blade weapons) or Outlaw Rogue (smaller weapons, but Agility based - while the WC3 manual mentions "Stealth", I don't think we've actually seen Blademasters use that) and their distinctive abilities (e.g. Bladestorm) have been used by these classes, as well as Monks, kinda (Mirror Images is similar to Storm, Earth, and Fire)

    This is not comparable to Demon Hunters, where Warlocks previously had one ability (Meta) that was clearly borrowed, not actual overlap.

    So it would be difficult to justify Blademaster as its own class, while there are still class ideas with actually different skillsets.
    It would fit perfectly for the Class Skin concept though, as a visual modification for Arms, or less likely, Windwalker.
    It is the archetype, they just chose to give it a different name.
    You could, also, RP as anything else you want if you try hard enough. That's, hardly, a justification.

    It does have. The Arms Warrior lack the Wind Walk and Mirror Image gameplay of the Blademaster. You can see how Samuro isn't depicted like your typical Arms Warrior in HotS.
    Outlaw Rogue doesn't even come close when you think about a Samurai. That's a Pirate. Different archetype. You could have said Demon Hunter and it would have made more sense (because of the Japanese influence).
    It called Wind Walk, and they do use it.
    Storm, Earth and Fire is not Mirror Image. It's like saying Mechagnomes' Hyper Organic Light Originator makes them Blademasters.

    It is, exactly, comparable to Demonology Warlocks. Because Bladestorm is, also, borrowed to the Arms Warrior until we get a Blademaster class/spec.

    Might not be top of the list, but an option nonetheless.
    Class skins should embody race/class archetypes like Sunwalkers. Less so a Blademaster, which is not unique to Orcs anymore.

    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Which is utterly irrelevant to Samurai and Pirate not dictating those. Pirate dictates pretty much nothing regarding combat style since the main defining traits are completely seperate from that. Outlaw was also divorced a bit from the pirate theme after Legion.
    Pistols, for example.
    Grappling Hook.
    Roll the Bones.
    Bribe (in the past).
    Cannonball Barrage (in the past).

    You can't just impose the Samurai archetype on that of the Pirate, just because they use a melee weapon and stack agility.

  19. #1319
    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    Pistols, for example..
    Can be found as well in some of samurai subclasses, usually the ronin variant that are also a bit pirate themed by carrying pistols because they came in contact with foreign culturers via travel or sea faring. So it would be the same as combat is to rogues.
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  20. #1320
    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    Can be found as well in some of samurai subclasses, usually the ronin variant that are also a bit pirate themed by carrying pistols because they came in contact with foreign culturers via travel or sea faring. So it would be the same as combat is to rogues.
    Well, i'll be damned. You're right. Though, it is more of a long-rifle than a pistol:

    "Tanegashima (種子島), most often called in Japanese and sometimes in English hinawajū (火縄銃, "matchlock gun"), was a type of matchlock -configured arquebus firearm introduced to Japan through the Portuguese Empire in 1543. Tanegashima were used by the samurai class and their ashigaru "foot soldiers", and within a few years the introduction of the tanegashima in battle changed the way war was fought in Japan forever."


    They even used cannons, which is weird to me:

    "Cannon became a common part of the samurai's armory by the 1570s. They often were mounted in castles or on ships, being used more as anti-personnel weapons than against castle walls or the like, though in the siege of Nagashino castle (1575) a cannon was used to good effect against an enemy siege tower. The first popular cannon in Japan were swivel-breech loaders named kunikuzushi or "province destroyers". Kunikuzushi weighed 264 lb (120 kg) and used 40 lb (18 kg) chambers, firing a small shot of 10 oz (280 g). The Arima clan of Kyushu used cannon like this at the Battle of Okinawate against the Ryūzōji clan."

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