1. #17621
    Quote Originally Posted by EbaumsTipster View Post
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    No timeskip, no large-scale revamp. 10.0 is dragon isles.
    LMAO!

    World Revamp HYPE!!!
    Last edited by Luck4; 2022-01-08 at 02:51 AM.
    Azeroth must be remastered!

  2. #17622
    Quote Originally Posted by EbaumsTipster View Post
    https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic...polish-needed/

    The return of Blizzard Quality as well as a “subsequent content update”. 9.2.5?
    That's strange. It feels like 9.2 is around the corner and they rushing for date way before March. But next month is filled with releases, and on top of that most are big RPG and/or fantasy games.

    Btw, do we even have some casual gear in ZM implemented? Korthia gearing was great, strange if they would abandon it.

  3. #17623
    Quote Originally Posted by Luck4 View Post
    LMAO!

    World Revamp HYPE!!!
    is that guy a reliable leaker or smthing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by musicallittle1 View Post
    I'm so lost right now. Here's hoping for a story I can follow next time.


    And player housing
    Omg, I would love player housing. Add a logging skill, and furnishing/carpentry. Carpentry could make bows and spears too. They could even add trophies from new world. Non player power buffs. Like more xp, rep, pet battle xp etc. And add a tiny garden. Pandaria Farm sized or smaller. Maybe a basement mine too with like 4 or 5 nodes at most. Little phased plot of land. House and land about the size of tier 1 or 2 garrison. 1 story, 2 story, 3 story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EbaumsTipster View Post
    https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic...polish-needed/

    The return of Blizzard Quality as well as a “subsequent content update”. 9.2.5?
    Yeah, I recon 9.2.5 will happen with some narrative knots tied up. Probably very little content. Perhaps new class early, or even world revamp early? Early Summer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    That's strange. It feels like 9.2 is around the corner and they rushing for date way before March. But next month is filled with releases, and on top of that most are big RPG and/or fantasy games.

    Btw, do we even have some casual gear in ZM implemented? Korthia gearing was great, strange if they would abandon it.
    IM sure its going to be there. Every patch zone ever has had some sort of catch up gear. Probably LFR level gear upgradable to around high normal, or heric raid level.

  5. #17625
    Quote Originally Posted by EbaumsTipster View Post
    Primus knows, he says he and the Eternal Ones “aren’t allowed to return” to Zereth Mortis. The implication is that they know they are robots and how the system works.

    Whether or not they used to be living beings before being turned into eternals is up in the air.
    All this shows that animating lifeless matter is a recurring theme. Both human and dwarfs were once "machines". The Etenal Ones were built from machines. It is safe to assume that Titans were brought into existence the same way.

  6. #17626
    Quote Originally Posted by ExiHext View Post
    All this shows that animating lifeless matter is a recurring theme. Both human and dwarfs were once "machines". The Etenal Ones were built from machines. It is safe to assume that Titans were brought into existence the same way.
    Dwarves and Humans were never machines, nor robots and neither are the Titans(who are born out of world souls).

  7. #17627
    Dwarves were once earthen made from stone, humans were once vrykul made of iron...that's "machine-y" enough for me. Regarding world souls...who put them inside? First Ones put them there after creating them from artificial bodies like the Eternal Ones.

  8. #17628
    Quote Originally Posted by ExiHext View Post
    Dwarves were once earthen made from stone, humans were once vrykul made of iron...that's "machine-y" enough for me. Regarding world souls...who put them inside? First Ones put them there after creating them from artificial bodies like the Eternal Ones.
    They were made out of stone and iron, but they came to be because of magic, not because of cogs and circuits. Do you also consider random rocks lying on the group an "inactive machines"?

    Regarding the world souls- we don't know, so far there has been no info on how they came to be, but there are a lot of differences between the Eternal Ones and the Titans.

    The Eternal Ones are more akin to Titan Keepers than Titans themselves(a level below), also they are aware of their purpose and creators, the Titans are not.

    Last but not least, Eternal Ones are straight up 3D-printed, Titans are nascent spirits, slumbering world souls who are born after some time.

    With the Eternal Ones the body gets printed first, then comes the consciousness, the Titans(as we know from our own world of Azeroth and also Argus) get consciousness before they get "born" into a physical body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by musicallittle1 View Post
    I'm so lost right now. Here's hoping for a story I can follow next time.


    And player housing
    if well implemented, player housing could be a trasmo level of success
    ...Le Poète est semblable au prince des nuées
    Qui hante la tempête e se rit de l'archer;
    Exilé sul le sol au milieu des huées,
    Ses ailes de géant l'empêchent de marcher.

    Charles Baudelaire

  10. #17630
    Quote Originally Posted by Akta View Post
    if well implemented, player housing could be a trasmo level of success
    I dont understand the fascination with player housing.
    More instanced stuff, and with the emotes we have in game and the way our characters work with the envirement in the game, we would pretty mutch stand or sit in a doll-house. If we are lucky, humans are able to do a /lean against a special wall.


    A tiny little base however would be fun. I imagine people setting up tents/small houses and building a RP village

  11. #17631
    Quote Originally Posted by UndedoKoleda View Post
    They were made out of stone and iron, but they came to be because of magic, not because of cogs and circuits. Do you also consider random rocks lying on the group an "inactive machines"?

    Regarding the world souls- we don't know, so far there has been no info on how they came to be, but there are a lot of differences between the Eternal Ones and the Titans.

    The Eternal Ones are more akin to Titan Keepers than Titans themselves(a level below), also they are aware of their purpose and creators, the Titans are not.

    Last but not least, Eternal Ones are straight up 3D-printed, Titans are nascent spirits, slumbering world souls who are born after some time.

    With the Eternal Ones the body gets printed first, then comes the consciousness, the Titans(as we know from our own world of Azeroth and also Argus) get consciousness before they get "born" into a physical body.
    Not sure if someone ever told you the meaning of quotation marks. Of course they are not "machines" in the traditional sense...sure they were animated with magic...as were the Eternal Ones. How else do you transform a machine into flesh? But both dwarves and humans were created artificially... as were the Eternal Ones.

    Eternal Ones and Titans are on the same level as Blizzard already stated. And how do you know the Titans don't know their creators? Did they state something like that? Never heard of that.

    Titans could have easily been "3d-printed" and then put into planets by the First Ones. I don't understand what's so hard to grasp about that? Nothing you stated contradicts that. You can be a nascent spirit AND be made artificially.

    And your last point: It could be a totally different method creating a Titan and they could still be made by the First Ones. Perhaps it's a more advanced (or a less developed) method of creating a pantheon.

  12. #17632
    Quote Originally Posted by ExiHext View Post
    Not sure if someone ever told you the meaning of quotation marks. Of course they are not "machines" in the traditional sense...sure they were animated with magic...as were the Eternal Ones. How else do you transform a machine into flesh? But both dwarves and humans were created artificially... as were the Eternal Ones.

    Eternal Ones and Titans are on the same level as Blizzard already stated. And how do you know the Titans don't know their creators? Did they state something like that? Never heard of that.

    Titans could have easily been "3d-printed" and then put into planets by the First Ones. I don't understand what's so hard to grasp about that? Nothing you stated contradicts that. You can be a nascent spirit AND be made artificially.

    And your last point: It could be a totally different method creating a Titan and they could still be made by the First Ones. Perhaps it's a more advanced (or a less developed) method of creating a pantheon.
    First of all, them being created artificially doesn't make them machines or robots... Dolls and statues are created artificially, but are not machines nor robots, whether you use quotation marks or not.

    Second of all, Blizzard stated the completely opposite of that.

    So the winter queen we wanted something that stood above the night fae and felt somewhat different than they were. And of course, she’s similar to other creatures like her that we’ve had in the past. You know, she’s not a Titan, but she’s something kind of right below that. She’s an ultra-powerful creature here and part of this pantheon in a similar way that the Titan Watchers and Keepers we’ve seen in the past were part of the pantheon of law and order. These are the pantheon of death.

    That's from Danuser himself.

    Third, the Chronicle was retconned to be "from Titans' PoV" and from what I remember, nowhere in it is stated anything about Titans knowing about their creators or anything about the First Ones at all, so until we get some new info on this we might consider that they simply don't. Also IF they knew anything about Zereth-something(a place so powerful that it can change reality), that would be first on Sargeras' to-do list.

    Also, Titans as planets, can literally bleed(and their blood is quite the something, as we know from both Azerite and the Well of Eternity), so they are not just something put inside of a planet, they are the planet itself.
    Last edited by UndedoKoleda; 2022-01-08 at 10:59 AM.

  13. #17633
    One thing im hoping for in 10.0 is new race/class options.
    Perhaps the NightElves take on shamanism to mend the earth after the war, or mechagnomes using technology to force the elementals to do their bidding.
    Or Calia freeing the forsaken from their own minds with holy energy so they can be paladin
    The rangari teaching stealth to draenei so they can be rogues ++

    And give thoose god damn zandalari warlock ! :P

  14. #17634
    Quote Originally Posted by UndedoKoleda View Post
    First of all, them being created artificially doesn't make them machines or robots... Dolls and statues are created artificially, but are not machines nor robots, whether you use quotation marks or not.

    Second of all, Blizzard stated the completely opposite of that.

    So the winter queen we wanted something that stood above the night fae and felt somewhat different than they were. And of course, she’s similar to other creatures like her that we’ve had in the past. You know, she’s not a Titan, but she’s something kind of right below that. She’s an ultra-powerful creature here and part of this pantheon in a similar way that the Titan Watchers and Keepers we’ve seen in the past were part of the pantheon of law and order. These are the pantheon of death.

    That's from Danuser himself.

    Third, the Chronicle was retconned to be "from Titans' PoV" and from what I remember, nowhere in it is stated anything about Titans knowing about their creators or anything about the First Ones at all, so until we get some new info on this we might consider that they simply don't. Also IF they knew anything about Zereth-something(a place so powerful that it can change reality), that would be first on Sargeras' to-do list.

    Also, Titans as planets, can literally bleed(and their blood is quite the something, as we know from both Azerite and the Well of Eternity), so they are not just something put inside of a planet, they are the planet itself.
    Then other things directly from him suggest otherwise from 9.1 onward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExiHext View Post
    Dwarves were once earthen made from stone, humans were once vrykul made of iron...that's "machine-y" enough for me. Regarding world souls...who put them inside? First Ones put them there after creating them from artificial bodies like the Eternal Ones.
    The Planet forms around a world soul, which is created from coalescing arcane energy in the cosmos - as per A Thousand Years of War.

    However there is a 95% chance of that being retconned and/or forgotten, so who knows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by musicallittle1 View Post
    I'm so lost right now.
    So is 90% of the playerbase.

    Blizzard really needs to put in some extra effort in properly highlighting and showcasing lore releases.
    it's honestly ridiculous how much writing just gets drained down the toilet after a while simply because people forget it exists.

    A Thousand years of war is a prime example, even the Alleria fanatics overlook it despite 80% of that story revolving around her.
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  16. #17636
    Quote Originally Posted by UndedoKoleda View Post
    They were made out of stone and iron, but they came to be because of magic, not because of cogs and circuits. Do you also consider random rocks lying on the group an "inactive machines"?
    That's still a machine. They were artificially created from inanimate objects. A golem is merely a robot made through magic. Random rocks on the ground would be raw materials, not inactive machines.

    You don't consider unprocessed ore an inactive machine either, do you?

  17. #17637
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    That's still a machine. They were artificially created from inanimate objects. A golem is merely a robot made through magic. Random rocks on the ground would be raw materials, not inactive machines.

    You don't consider unprocessed ore an inactive machine either, do you?
    Are earth elementals machines?

  18. #17638
    I really hope Blizzard will introduce new factions or revisit old factions, which are meant to stay relevant in the game for more than 1 addon.
    They can be goofy, they can be serious, but the game really needs more story/storyplots in the game grounded with the denizens of Azeroth and not just this overconvoluted story about the Old ones.

    For example splintered Earthen Ring factions, like Water Speaker, tide sages, Wind Caller etc.
    Blood Sail Bukaneers and their plots and different crews
    The dark raiders of Karazhan
    the lorewalkers, especially Lorewalker Cho
    I loved the story about the emerald witch Widow Greenpaw in Jade forest, more of that.
    Thros the blighted lands and the witches
    and so on...

    There are so many plotlines, that can be reintroduced, expanded and made into a good storyline.
    Even the Shadowlord denizens could be introduced to Azeroth. Brokers should be able to travel across the veil, so should the rest be. Nathrezim originate from the Shadowlands, but you can find them in Azeroth, on Drainor and Argus.
    The trolls can built new temples/ziggurates to pay homage to Bomsamdi/Voljin/Muhzela and call on the spirits of ardenweald and the wild gods.
    Same with the nightelves: why not use the connection in the emerald dream to cumunicate with the victims of teldrassils burning or the night fae as guides for druids.
    When the Maghar joined the horde, Botani, Saberon and Arakkoa went to Azeroth, I want to see them and the civilisation they built.
    Arakkoa zealots would also be a great addition for the Army of the light.
    They could even introduce us to Elune on Azeroth, you don´t need to go into the cosmos for that. (I really would love a Moonfall expansion for wow, with tidal waves early in the add on because of the moon falling and reworked zones where the moon crashed into Azeroth)
    Last edited by sandini; 2022-01-08 at 01:31 PM.

  19. #17639
    Quote Originally Posted by EbaumsTipster View Post
    He’s not going to do stuff like that without a push, it will be interesting to see where that comes from. Smart money is on Lothraxion but it could be as simple as a reaction to void stuff happening on Azeroth and him overreacting.
    He could see visions or the light calling him to push through. The naaru spreading influences and especially on Turalyon could make him see things the wrong way. Xera being the prime influencer would be enough to make some.one so strong in the faith of light do to weird things.

    I would dig a campaign like this.. you know stirr some shit up with characters everyone think their safe.

    Lorthaxion and yrel are to obvious plotpoints.. I rather see it start somewhere else.. it would be awesome tbh if we find out lorthaxion is really converted and is really our ally would make us question the dreadlords yet again.

    But this is wow.. so the obvious thing will happen. Lorthaxion is a spy, yrel was promised alot by the light, she she is sort of brainwashed etc etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandini View Post
    I really hope Blizzard will introduce new factions or revisit old factions, which are meant to stay relevant in the game for more than 1 addon.
    They can be goofy, they can be serious, but the game really needs more story/storyplots in the game grounded with the denizens of Azeroth and not just this overconvoluted story about the Old ones.

    For example splintered Earthen Ring factions, like Water Speaker, tide sages, Wind Caller etc.
    Blood Sail Bukaneers and their plots and different crews
    The dark raiders of Karazhan
    the lorewalkers, especially Lorewalker Cho
    I loved the story about the emerald witch Widow Greenpaw in Jade forest, more of that.
    Thros the blighted lands and the witches
    and so on...

    There are so many plotlines, that can be reintroduced, expanded and made into a good storyline.
    Even the Shadowlord denizens could be introduced to Azeroth. Brokers should be able to travel across the veil, so should the rest be. Nathrezim originate from the Shadowlands, but you can find them in Azeroth, on Drainor and Argus.
    The trolls can built new temples/ziggurates to pay homage to Bomsamdi/Voljin/Muhzela and call on the spirits of ardenweald and the wild gods.
    Same with the nightelves: why not use the connection in the emerald dream to cumunicate with the victims of teldrassils burning or the night fae as guides for druids.
    When the Maghar joined the horde, Botani, Saberon and Arakkoa went to Azeroth, I want to see them and the civilisation they built.
    Arakkoa zealots would also be a great addition for the Army of the light.
    They could even introduce us to Elune on Azeroth, you don´t need to go into the cosmos for that. (I really would love a Moonfall expansion for wow, with tidal waves early in the add on because of the moon falling and reworked zones where the moon crashed into Azeroth)
    If a freaking moon would crash into Azeroth we would all die instantly.

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