1. #18001
    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    Well I think I can safely say the next expansion won't be about Hearthstone.

    Rest of those, good point.
    All of these could lean either way, except the World Tree one. That one sounds interesting—I'm not in the loop on that, so I would usually dismiss it along the lines of things like the Nordrassil in the cinematic (which I never really bought—it really could just be a quick construct to make the zone look better). However, this sounds more relevant by virtue of being an actual map, and the name in particular does sound pretty difficult to dismiss.

    Survivor, conversely, I think we could infer to be simply a construct from an early version of the old version of Exile's Reach. It does seem odd for Blizzard to consider such a system, given how weighty class is in the game, but I figure that it could be sufficient to presume such. However, if it isn't just for Exile's Reach as an artifact, I haven't the slightest clue what it could be as a class. It simply seems too vague—every other class released in WoW has some kind of existing basis in the lore, whereas we already have "Survival" Hunters, so a "Survivor" seems pretty well and classified through specialization. It seems difficult to extrapolate much from it. If it were simply for testing a new class that hasn't been fully fleshed-out, or even is meant to simply be a testing ground for class-neutral abilities and whathaveyou, it would be awkward to actively name it something instead of simply, say, "TestClass01" or "Generic".

  2. #18002
    Quote Originally Posted by Marlamin View Post
    It is my favorite unused model in the game, super cozy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upEcN-RnYnk It also has links to the new human buildings in sharing many of the textures.
    Wow, that's pretty! I'm surprised I missed out on that.
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  3. #18003
    Quote Originally Posted by Marlamin View Post
    There was a "World Tree 2" map in the game's map database file until 9.2 which renamed it to the most inconspicuous word in the game: "UNUSED".



    The Hearthstone Tavern will always have a place in my heart and I will keep bringing it up (as well as the scrapped buddy cop scenario) anywhere I can.



    It is my favorite unused model in the game, super cozy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upEcN-RnYnk It also has links to the new human buildings in sharing many of the textures.
    I do have to wonder what it was for, precisely. Maybe just a silly quest along the lines of the Brawler's Guild or Mail quests, but it could be something more weighty than that—I'm not sure why it would be Hearthstone-themed in particular, though.

  4. #18004
    You also forgot the updated Westfall texture from BFA and the unused/barely used updated Nelf buildings from BFA (they updated the inn so well it now has a running stream in it.. yet only appears in the background in Darkshore ruins).

    There is enough Dragon stuff, revamp stuff and EK/Kalimdor plotlines floating around to say Cata 2 is a go. Not to mention the smaller expansion (SL, nothing obviously scrapped like WoD so they probably planned it this time) precluding a large one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    Survivor, conversely, I think we could infer to be simply a construct from an early version of the old version of Exile's Reach.
    This is still my leading explanation for Survivor, but it does seem to be something not everyone knows about so might have been a singular dev messing around with as well as the scrapped in-game class choice system. It's still there, though, hence why I mentioned it.

  6. #18006
    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    I do have to wonder what it was for, precisely. Maybe just a silly quest along the lines of the Brawler's Guild or Mail quests, but it could be something more weighty than that—I'm not sure why it would be Hearthstone-themed in particular, though.
    My money is on being able to actually play Hearthstone or connect to the game within WoW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WheresT View Post
    You also forgot the updated Westfall texture from BFA and the unused/barely used updated Nelf buildings from BFA (they updated the inn so well it now has a running stream in it.. yet only appears in the background in Darkshore ruins).
    Forgot about the Westfall texture, but so did Blizzard so I don't feel that bad about it. Fair point on the night elf buildings.

  8. #18008
    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    Eh it's about as dumb as it always is.
    Yeah, and that always has me torn about "leak season."

    I used to look forward to the leaks because, early on, I only ran into one or two, and one of them was legitimate. The reason I originally came to MMOChampion was because the Cataclysm leak was reposted on the official forums from here, and after dismissing the real Wrath of the Lich King leak back in the day (I thought Death Knight being called a Hero Class meant that it was a faker who didn't know what a Hero Class was, I was too young to consider that Blizzard could just change the definition) I adapted and immediately pegged the MMOChampion Cataclysm leak as the real one (it originated somewhere else, but that's as far back as I followed the trail). At some point (honestly, around that same time, I think), it seems like that reputation caught on and people starting trying to exploit it by making their own "leaks" to trick people.

    That made it a lot less fun because you weren't getting a real scoop. Since it only seemed to get worse every expansion cycle from then on, however, I tried to roll with it. These days I try to have fun with them by saving them and then comparing them to the real thing later on. It's fun to see the ones that try really hard to convince you they're real after you can compare them directly. It's also fun to sometimes see ones that ended up close by coincidence but clearly didn't know. Then there are things like an early Legion one which boiled down to "a friend of a friend told me about this thing he saw" that, in hindsight, I think actually was real, but the third hand information part of it was so honest that it meant the information was corrupted telephone game-style.

    In general though, I don't care much for the "leaks". I still enjoy speculation, but I'd rather have things like Kul Tiras armor textures as the basis. ;P
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  9. #18009
    Quote Originally Posted by Marlamin View Post
    Forgot about the Westfall texture, but so did Blizzard so I don't feel that bad about it. Fair point on the night elf buildings.
    Is it still in the files??

  10. #18010
    Quote Originally Posted by WheresT View Post
    My money is on being able to actually play Hearthstone or connect to the game within WoW.
    That could be interesting, but it would be a weird decision. Then again, this is the company who tried Twitter integration, so I'm not surprised that they may try something weird and seemingly-superfluous like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jokubas View Post
    Yeah, and that always has me torn about "leak season."

    I used to look forward to the leaks because, early on, I only ran into one or two, and one of them was legitimate. The reason I originally came to MMOChampion was because the Cataclysm leak was reposted on the official forums from here, and after dismissing the real Wrath of the Lich King leak back in the day I adapted and immediately pegged the MMOChampion Cataclysm leak as the real one (it originated somewhere else, but that's as far back as I followed the trail). At some point (honestly, around that same time, I think), it seems like that reputation caught on and people starting trying to exploit it by making their own "leaks" to trick people.

    That made it a lot less fun because you weren't getting a real scoop. Since it only seemed to get worse every expansion cycle from then on, however, I tried to roll with it. These days I try to have fun with them by saving them and then comparing them to the real thing later on. It's fun to see the ones that try really hard to convince you they're real after you can compare them directly. It's also fun to sometimes see ones that ended up close by coincidence but clearly didn't know. Then there are things like an early Legion one which boiled down to "a friend of a friend told me about this thing he saw" that, in hindsight, I think actually was real, but the third hand information part of it was so honest that it meant the information was corrupted telephone game-style.

    In general though, I don't care much for the "leaks". I still enjoy speculation, but I'd rather have things like Kul Tiras armor textures as the basis. ;P
    I definitely noticed with the last leak cycle Blizz got better at not leaving "accidental" clues and as such the leaks got a lot more boring to me. It wasn't multiple interpretations of something we knew for a fact, it was just scrolling down a fanfiction site and seeing everyone's headcanons and AUs.
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  12. #18012
    Quote Originally Posted by Marlamin View Post
    Forgot about the Westfall texture, but so did Blizzard so I don't feel that bad about it. Fair point on the night elf buildings.
    Those I'd think are cut Warfronts, though it does seem odd that they'd choose Westfall of all places, or add Night Elf buildings, which implies another Night Elf warfront, which is very superfluous. It sounds like something to prod at, at least, given that it's something that doesn't make sense if you take the most logical explanation.

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    Oh I just realized. Could World Tree 2 have been related to that HD Nordrassil that people noticed in some Shadowlands cinematic?
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  14. #18014
    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    That could be interesting, but it would be a weird decision. Then again, this is the company who tried Twitter integration, so I'm not surprised that they may try something weird and seemingly-superfluous like that.
    It doesn’t seem superfluous to me, it seems similar to the Golden Saucer. People want more chill stuff to do in WoW so they can “live” in the game, Hearthstone accessible in the game itself sounds like it would fit that niche.


    And probably come out faster than housing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WheresT View Post
    Is it still in the files??
    All of them are, yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    Oh I just realized. Could World Tree 2 have been related to that HD Nordrassil that people noticed in some Shadowlands cinematic?
    Very possible, but those cinematics are usually done outside of the game engine so unless they wanted it to appear in-game at some point it wouldn't really have a place in the client.

  16. #18016
    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    Oh I just realized. Could World Tree 2 have been related to that HD Nordrassil that people noticed in some Shadowlands cinematic?
    That's wholly possible, but it is a cinematic asset—I honestly maintain that it was probably just a single scene for the cinematic, and I wouldn't take it as absolute proof of anything regarding a Hyjal revamp. However, I would definitely hope it indicates a world revamp—as in the spirit of the Sylvanas cinematic background, which look very much like a world revamp would to me.

  17. #18017
    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    Those I'd think are cut Warfronts, though it does seem odd that they'd choose Westfall of all places, or add Night Elf buildings, which implies another Night Elf warfront, which is very superfluous. It sounds like something to prod at, at least, given that it's something that doesn't make sense if you take the most logical explanation.
    I don’t think they would use the updated inn for a warfront, is a place to give quests and everything. The new model is actually very very pretty and I believe it comes in multiple colors: there’s a green roof version in the files, which fits some areas, and then a darker color for the Darkshore one.

  18. #18018
    Quote Originally Posted by WheresT View Post
    It doesn’t seem superfluous to me, it seems similar to the Golden Saucer. People want more chill stuff to do in WoW so they can “live” in the game, Hearthstone accessible in the game itself sounds like it would fit that niche.


    And probably come out faster than housing.
    As awkward of a specific choice that would be, I could see the need for more RPG elements to make the world living. It's definitely seemed like the case to me that people vastly enjoy roleplay servers more than normal servers, and adding as many roleplay elements as possible could draw more people in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlamin View Post
    All of them are, yes.



    Very possible, but those cinematics are usually done outside of the game engine so unless they wanted it to appear in-game at some point it wouldn't really have a place in the client.
    That's what I'm thinking. It might not be a new World Tree so much as an updated Nordrassil model, to go with the updated Elwynn models, and the updated Westfall textures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WheresT View Post
    I don’t think they would use the updated inn for a warfront, is a place to give quests and everything. The new model is actually very very pretty and I believe it comes in multiple colors: there’s a green roof version in the files, which fits some areas, and then a darker color for the Darkshore one.
    Multiple recolors? Now I'm intrigued.

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