Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Varodoc]

Or possibly the 9.2 patch follows in hte grand tradition of previous .2 patches and just has us go to somewhere mostly unrelated to the main plot. Somewhere like for instance the in-between to fight Devourers, or to the planes of life to fight Drust, or recruit Elune or anything for that matter.

We had an entire patch in MoP dedicated almost solely to Mogu and the Thunder King. It might have seemed like we were barreling towards a resolution with Garrosh during the Krasarang offensive, but the game had no problem taking that heavy detour.

No. This is not how basic storytelling works. When the villain gets their final form and literally says it's time to end the cosmos, you don't randomly go on a B plot.

"Maybe we can go on a B plot to recruit Elune", buddy the Jailer is literally going to remake reality once he crosses that portal, he's not going to sip some tea, where will you find the time to recruit Elune

This is the A B C of storytelling.

[Sondrelk]

No. This is not how basic storytelling works. When the villain gets their final form and literally says it's time to end the cosmos, you don't randomly go on a B plot.

"Maybe we can go on a B plot to recruit Elune", buddy the Jailer is literally going to remake reality once he crosses that portal, he's not going to sip some tea, where will you find the time to recruit Elune

This is the A B C of storytelling.

That is only if you assume that the B-plot cannot be related to the A-plot, or more accurately that you cannot make the B-plot something that pushed the A-plot forward.

Let us make the not unlikely assumption that to get to the Sepulcher you need something more than just the various sigils. Maybe you need something in the in-between, somewhere that for instance was made by the First ones in-case the Sepulcher got breached. Or perhaps more likely that we need more allies to defeat the Jailer now that he has regained his power.

Then you just have us go to whatever area, find a problem that needs fixing and have a raid there, or there is an ally of the Jailer there that needs to be defeated.

[Varodoc]

That is only if you assume that the B-plot cannot be related to the A-plot, or more accurately that you cannot make the B-plot something that pushed the A-plot forward.

Let us make the not unlikely assumption that to get to the Sepulcher you need something more than just the various sigils. Maybe you need something in the in-between, somewhere that for instance was made by the First ones in-case the Sepulcher got breached. Or perhaps more likely that we need more allies to defeat the Jailer now that he has regained his power.

Then you just have us go to whatever area, find a problem that needs fixing and have a raid there, or there is an ally of the Jailer there that needs to be defeated.

Bruh the Battle of Ardenweald and Jailer taking all Sigils was all dealt with in a questline, if we need something to access the Sepulcher we'll simply get it in a questline, an entire patch is not required. Same thing if you need allies against the Jailer, you'll simply go talk to them in the 9.2 questline.

[Sondrelk]

Bruh the Battle of Ardenweald and Jailer taking all Sigils was all dealt with in a questline, if we need something to access the Sepulcher we'll simply get it in a questline, an entire patch is not required. Same thing if you need allies against the Jailer, you'll simply go talk to them in the 9.2 questline.

Again though, you are assuming that just because we are seemingly nearing a conclusion precludes the story from having another layer to it. Or even that Blizzard just wants us to suspend our disbelief for a moment while we deal with a subplot. It's not like the story lasts over 2 years in-game time anyways, most seem to take place over a year, and even then we have no idea how that is divvied up.

[Alanar]

I know about the compass scene, but I'm more curious how the raid ends after the cinematic plays. Usually you get to talk to the lore heroes and get some fluff from them.

They didnt do that with the nighthold and everyone was just standing there... it was weird as hell.

I guess its the same thing here. People just leave and coninue thei chores or log out. Shows over folks.

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They physically reforge then, they get the sigil back once they accomplished re-establishment.

Fae do after the Elune stuff.
Venthyr when they get their medallions back
Kyrian after they establish their new Paragon and temple.

And scourge prime does their thing, whatever their thing is.
Which hasn't been revealed afaik.

Whats the point of the sigils? The jailer wanted them for hes mechaevolution.. but what do we need them for?

[Raetary]

Whats the point of the sigils? The jailer wanted them for hes mechaevolution.. but what do we need them for?

They just kinda appear when a covenant is re-established.

We don't know for what we need them for, but i imagine we'll use them to gain access to the Sepulcher.

[Sondrelk]

They just kinda appear when a covenant is re-established.

We don't know for what we need them for, but i imagine we'll use them to gain access to the Sepulcher.

That is pretty much what the Primus said, wasnt it? That we need to reforge the sigils so we can follow after Zovaal.

[Le Conceptuel]

No. This is not how basic storytelling works. When the villain gets their final form and literally says it's time to end the cosmos, you don't randomly go on a B plot.

"Maybe we can go on a B plot to recruit Elune", buddy the Jailer is literally going to remake reality once he crosses that portal, he's not going to sip some tea, where will you find the time to recruit Elune

This is the A B C of storytelling.

You assume that Blizzard has learned the "ABCs" of storytelling.

[Raetary]

That is pretty much what the Primus said, wasnt it? That we need to reforge the sigils so we can follow after Zovaal.

*shrug* i was somewhat distracted during the questline, so wasn't paying much attention.

[vilememory]

We lose, Jailer reaches the Sepulcher. THrows it open expecting some huge power reveal all the secrets he has been expecting hidden from him only to find... Nothing. Turns out the others were right, the Sigils, the Sepulcher just regular places and all that the Jailer has done has been for nothing. So he ends up freaking out, fucking shit up as he loses his mind. We have to subdue him, fix things up while he goes catatonic after being subdued. As for Sylvanas, her sisters break her out of whatever jail we put her in. Alleria unleashing the Void into the Shadowlands, that causes major havoc. Anduin is still undead or something causing Turalyon to freak out not only because his King is now an abomination but also because his wife has abandoned him to save her sister. This also pisses off Tyrande and they both blame the Horde for all of this, Turalyon declares Anduin an abomination of the Light and declares himself the new High King. LEADING INTO THE NEW EXPANSION GLORY OF THE LIGHT WHERE LIGHTBOUND YREL SHOWS UP AND WE GET BFA 2.0!

[Dracullus]

This expansion will end in 9.2. The Jailer literally just got his final form.

"B-but Helya and the House of Chosen dude!!!!", these people literally put Ner'zhul, Kel'thuzad, and Sylvanas all in the same raid They won't make a separate patch for Helya LOL!

So Yes Shadowlands will end in 9.2 with the final boss being the Jailer in his Final Form/Lich King Rip-off form.

Some of you are so fixed on "9.2 is last patch" that you make evidence out of thing that goes OPPOSITE direction. We could say that raid point towards 9.2 as final patch if Jailer would use portal to Azeroth as Nyel speculated many pages ago.

Now we have 2 distinct villains (Anduin, Jailer) and 2 goals for Jailer (whatever he'll do in first ones/Sepulcher + invasion of Azeroth, he's goal is world soul after all). Of course they could squeeze it in one patch, but easily it can be 2 patches. We will see. If there will be 9.3, Blizzard would have to return to old patch schedule and release 9.2 late November (so raid would be on Highmaul/Antorus schedule).

Btw, I won't have opportunity to play this week, could someone confirm if Tazavesh use one of two remaining spots on Oribos top floor after you want return to entrance? If not that's another hint for me last two spots could be Sepulcher and Icecrown.

[Varodoc]

Some of you are so fixed on "9.2 is last patch" that you make evidence out of thing that goes OPPOSITE direction. We could say that raid point towards 9.2 as final patch if Jailer would use portal to Azeroth as Nyel speculated many pages ago.

Now we have 2 distinct villains (Anduin, Jailer) and 2 goals for Jailer (whatever he'll do in first ones/Sepulcher + invasion of Azeroth, he's goal is world soul after all). Of course they could squeeze it in one patch, but easily it can be 2 patches. We will see. If there will be 9.3, Blizzard would have to return to old patch schedule and release 9.2 late November (so raid would be on Highmaul/Antorus schedule).

Btw, I won't have opportunity to play this week, could someone confirm if Tazavesh use one of two remaining spots on Oribos top floor after you want return to entrance? If not that's another hint for me last two spots could be Sepulcher and Icecrown.

"2 distinct villains" when Anduin is literally controlled by Jailer and following him at his side, what are you even saying lol?

"2 distinct goals", okay so basically "New Raid: Sepulcher" + "New Jailer invasion forces in Dragonblight", there done. Here are your "2 distinct goals" put in one patch, like they did with 8.3.

[Dracullus]

"2 distinct villains" when Anduin is literally controlled by Jailer and following him at his side, what are you even saying lol?

"2 distinct goals", okay so basically "New zone: Sepulcher" + "New Jailer invasion forces in Dragonblight", there done. Here are your "2 distinct goals" put in one patch, like they did with 8.3.

First, controlled or not, Anduin is enough for final tier boss, especially if his fate is somehow connected to Arthas. And of course these two zones could be put in one patch, (although unlike Vale and Uldum that were preparation for Nyalotha, both Sepulcher and Azeroth invasion sounds like places for big separate events). Do you even read my post?

My first reply to you was just to point out how ridicolous is making argument for "no 9.3" from SoD end that is at best neutral for this discussion.

[Kelstor]

"beware the eyes of green". Spoiler... It's Chromie

Seems the infinite dragonflight gets build up... 9.2
Sepulcher. 9.3 end time. 10.0 world of warcraft - infinite war. That's why the jail or is like Thanos...

[TheFirstOnes]

"beware the eyes of green". Spoiler... It's Chromie

Seems the infinite dragonflight gets build up... 9.2
Sepulcher. 9.3 end time. 10.0 world of warcraft - infinite war. That's why the jail or is like Thanos...

Is there confirmation that it's Chromie?

[Kelstor]

Is there confirmation that it's Chromie?

There is no official confirmation... But look at the whole hints. It's foreshadowed in the end time dungeon. It will end at wyrmrest temple this expansion. So the leaked cinematic might be legit. We have the hourglass nearby.

And who got attacked there? It's Chromie. Chromie has green eyes and got mentioned as evil in in-game conversations. U can Google it


I bet the jailor twisted reality so hard.... Nozdormu will turned into.... But dunno if 9.2 or 9.3 ������

[Ivarr]

Is there confirmation that it's Chromie?

[Sentynel]

ngl, this was weird in the weirdest way possible.

[Revamp Man]

They just kinda appear when a covenant is re-established.

We don't know for what we need them for, but i imagine we'll use them to gain access to the Sepulcher.

That’s literally it

We need all sigils to reach the sepulcher
He stole them for the same purpose

[Raetary]

The "eyes of green" line was in the context of the Life realm, referring to the dreadlord infiltrator there.

So no, it's not Chromie.