Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Ersula]

this character has only two fates
- to be forgotten
- tragic fate
he's too boring for a long story

But Anduin is their mary sue: The only character invented during wow that anyone actually likes. Especially when they effectively had his steal Sylvanas' initial noble undead characterization to make him more interesting.

[AngerFork]

With Blizzconline isn't happening now, When do you think they will announce the next expansion?

Had they not moved the Sylvanas book date back, I would have thought Feb to March. But as her story seems intrinsically tied to Shadowlands, it would seem unusual for a 10.0 announcement to come before the book is released. Her story would likely seem like an afterthought with 10.0 news. After a bit of discussion yesterday, I'm currently thinking we are looking at maybe early to mid March for 9.2 with the book coming out close to it, then a 9.2.5/10.0 announcement once the book has had a bit of room to breathe, maybe late April to May. I could even see this slipping until June if they are still super far behind.

[Hitei]

But Anduin is their mary sue: The only character invented during wow that anyone actually likes. Especially when they effectively had his steal Sylvanas' initial noble undead characterization to make him more interesting.

That isn't what mary sue means.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Sigh Mary sue is an overused phrase.

Had they not moved the Sylvanas book date back, I would have thought Feb to March. But as her story seems intrinsically tied to Shadowlands, it would seem unusual for a 10.0 announcement to come before the book is released. Her story would likely seem like an afterthought with 10.0 news. After a bit of discussion yesterday, I'm currently thinking we are looking at maybe early to mid March for 9.2 with the book coming out close to it, then a 9.2.5/10.0 announcement once the book has had a bit of room to breathe, maybe late April to May. I could even see this slipping until June if they are still super far behind.

They're probably guessing their timeline is down the line then usual.

[draugril]

That isn't what mary sue means.

Indeed. Dude fails at like 100% of his goals.

[TheFirstOnes]

You guys don’t know shit about Anduin, and it painfully shows.

[Sondrelk]

Indeed. Dude fails at like 100% of his goals.

He did have Sue tendencies in BfA, when his plans were always shown as correct for no better reason than that he had them.

This expansion he is doing pretty well as a character. He has relatable flaws, and his plans dont magically work.
All the characters like him, but he isn't written with enough depth to make it believable that anyone would dislike him.

[Fahrad Wagner]

There are rumblings.

9.2 is close

I feel it too... it is COMING.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

He did have Sue tendencies in BfA, when his plans were always shown as correct for no better reason than that he had them.

This expansion he is doing pretty well as a character. He has relatable flaws, and his plans dont magically work.
All the characters like him, but he isn't written with enough depth to make it believable that anyone would dislike him.

He wasn't a mary sue, not really. People think they understand mary sue but they don't

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

Anduin was never a mary sue. Mr. Good Guy and bland? Yeah, but not a mary sue.

[Sondrelk]

He wasn't a mary sue, not really. People think they understand mary sue but they don't

Mary Sue has definitely gotten connotations as whatever characters viewers don't like. But going by the original Mary Sue parody back in the Star Trek magazine I would say BfA Anduin hit a fair bit of the notes. Most importantly how everyone just likes him, and that his plans are seemingly infallible despite evidence to the contrary.

But yes, Anduin is no Mary Sue, he is just kinda boring and inconsistently written.
His most egregious trait is just that his plans dont backfire even when they logically should. Which is egregious, but hardly conclusive evidence.

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Speaking of Anduin, I really hope we get more snarky Anduin. I absolutely adore how he isn't even pretending to take Sylvanas bullshit in the old Torghast cinematics.

[Lady Atia]

So an eternal being that has lived for as long as life and death has been a concept "improved his technique" in the past twenty years purely for plot convenience? Seems likely.

Time works differently in the Shadowlands. What may be 20 years for us may be thousands of years in the Maw?

[draugril]

Time works differently in the Shadowlands. What may be 20 years for us may be thousands of years in the Maw?

It was implied to be the opposite in an interview. But honestly, I don't "trust" any lore that comes from any source not in the game - the team can't seem to keep their stories straight regardless.

[Sondrelk]

It was implied to be the opposite in an interview. But honestly, I don't "trust" any lore that comes from any source not in the game - the team can't seem to keep their stories straight regardless.

It really wasnt. From what I remember it was just that time works differently. All evidence we see in the Shadowlands points to time moving much, much faster there. Things like how Kael'thas is a legendary source of Anima in Revendreth despite only having been there for 6-7 years at most in Azeroth time.

[Vineman24]

I'm afraid Blizzcon as whole may become a history now

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

It really wasnt. From what I remember it was just that time works differently. All evidence we see in the Shadowlands points to time moving much, much faster there. Things like how Kael'thas is a legendary source of Anima in Revendreth despite only having been there for 6-7 years at most in Azeroth time.

Or the maw intro quests where it's implied Jaina and Thrall have been there ages even though they were kidnapped like an hour ago in azeroth.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

It really wasnt. From what I remember it was just that time works differently. All evidence we see in the Shadowlands points to time moving much, much faster there. Things like how Kael'thas is a legendary source of Anima in Revendreth despite only having been there for 6-7 years at most in Azeroth time.

I'm sure Blizzard will say if time passed on Azeroth by x amount of years if that is what they wanted. Knowing that though, I don't see them doing any time jumping. No time jumped while we were on Argus so I expect the same.

[Marlamin]

9.2.0.40958 is now on the encrypted vendor endpoint.

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

9.2.0.40958 is now on the encrypted vendor endpoint.

And so It begins

[therumblings]

9.2.0.40958 is now on the encrypted vendor endpoint.

Nice. I think that confirms it will be on the PTR sometime this month, IIRC.