Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Relapses]

The guy that made the bottom photo admitted it was a joke

Well fuck. I guess we can't have nice things.

[Luck4]

The guy that made the bottom photo admitted it was a joke

The EoD logo that was posted previously too?

Anyway, people are doing better mock-ups every year, soon or later we won't be able to tell the difference.

[Revamp Man]

We didn't know about the Warlords of Draenor before Warlords of Draenor.

We didn't know about the Mist(s) of Pandaria before Mists of Pandaria.

Empire of Dragons makes as much sense as the others when it's introduced in the expansion as a new thing.

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The logo is way too good for a fan made logo. If it's indeed fake, it's a 10/10 job. That logo easily rivals every other official expansion logo in quality and design.

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They brought Vashj back for a reason in Shadowlands. If she doesn't interact with Azshara, I would be baffled. I mean why do they put so much emphasis on Azshara in BfA and Vashj in Shadowlands when both are not going to interact?

Because the covenants were all designed to have nostalgic characters in them. Vashj also isn’t returning to life so she can’t interact

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The EoD logo that was posted previously too?

Anyway, people are doing better mock-ups every year, soon or later we won't be able to tell the difference.

Not the logo
So far there’s nothing more from him

[Alanar]

Man I remember coming out of WoD everyone talking big things about Argus, Ogres, an AU Azeroth where Humans drank fel blood, sky was the limit on the madness.

At the time we were young and naief, ofc blizzard would never pull something like that off with the knowledge we have today. Its funny how late people discovered expectations ad own stories would always be better then the dissapointments we got over the years.

Really.. pretty much all false hope if you think about it.

[Revamp Man]

At the time we were young and naief, ofc blizzard would never pull something like that off with the knowledge we have today. Its funny how late people discovered expectations ad own stories would always be better then the dissapointments we got over the years.

Really.. pretty much all false hope if you think about it.

That is literally what speculation is

If we only ever guessed worse than blizzard produces there would be no fun in it

[Luck4]

At the time we were young and naief, ofc blizzard would never pull something like that off with the knowledge we have today. Its funny how late people discovered expectations ad own stories would always be better then the dissapointments we got over the years.

Really.. pretty much all false hope if you think about it.

I dunno, Legion fulfilled my expectations, and I can say the same about WOTLK, and these expansions were over six years apart from each other.

Actually, Legion hyped me up in every ending cinematic, with a glorious ending conclusion in 7.3.

And the build-up of WOTLK was also really good.

[Hitei]

That logo easily rivals every other official expansion logo in quality and design.

It really doesn't.

[Nyel]

Because the covenants were all designed to have nostalgic characters in them. Vashj also isn’t returning to life so she can’t interact

We... basically don't know that. Same about Ysera. If we get Dragons next expansion, Ysera for sure will come back.

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It really doesn't.

It absolutely does. But I'm sure you gonna dissect why it does not, so here we go.

[Revamp Man]

Hyjal is under attack by what seems to be the nightmare manifesting and the green dragons need our help. Wrathion volunteers to give them aid but the new leader shuns him because his father. We find out her sisters have been corrupted and it’s from the fragment of nightmare that we didn’t remove because we left the roots. She says there may be a way to purify her sisters but it requires a sacrifice. She turns on us and says that she must use our life force to cleanse her sister’s and save the emerald dream and thus the world. As she has us trapped Wrathion appears and severs the magic explaining that she can save her sisters with a potion he created from the one he used on abyssion. She refuses blaming everything on Wrathion and his flight thus allowing the nightmare to slowly creep into her mind turning her into a nightmare dragon and she attacks Wrathion but due to his experience and mental stability out maneuvers her and flies away with us in his claws. He says that now saving them might be more difficult but he believes he knows someone who can help and takes us to Val sharah where an angry malfurion resides. Wrathion tells Malfurion that only Tyrande can save the dream now because of her connection to Elune and her responsibility is to revive Ysera who merely needs a conduit to travel back to the dream since her connection to Elune was severed. Malfurion says no but Tyrande quickly agrees and we begin the ritual in the travel network from the legion class hall. Nightmare dragons attack but Malfurion, Wrathion, and the hero hold them off long enough for Ysera to return and show the full fury of an aspect now empowered by the winter queen.

We eventually reach the daughters of Ysera and she tries to reason with them but ends up attacked. We fight back and slay each one until we reach the eldest and Ysera has decided that it is time for her to pass the title of aspect on and she blasts her daughter with a blue and green breath attack that slowly purifies her but costs Ysera her life. She begins to fade and her daughter cries saying she isn’t strong enough and Wrathion puts his hand on her shoulder saying “we can’t be our parents but we can be better”

[Dracullus]

I dunno, Legion fulfilled my expectations, and I can say the same about WOTLK, and these expansions were over six years apart from each other.

Actually, Legion hyped me up in every ending cinematic, with a glorious ending conclusion in 7.3.

And the build-up of WOTLK was also really good.

Both Wrath and Legion were culminations of story told in Warcraft III and Frozen Throne, especially Wrath is pretty messy without that foundation (imagine last hour of LoTR starting with tournament in Mordor and Sauron randomly showing up there).

Shadowlands are completely on the opposite, it's strange to me that Wrath nostalgia is so underused if this is continuation of that thread anyway. You clearly see that potential in Uther storyline that is arguably best thing connected to main plot.

And yeah, Legion was great with end of raids big events - Illidan resurrection, Argus showing up on the sky (we all knew this will be 7.3, but no one expected it visible on the sky all the time) and sword in Silithus. Let's hope 9.2 will have some return of form in this field, cause last few cinematics were full of missed opportunities and made you feel "that's it?" instead of "hell yeah" (but don't forget it's WoW community and there is always shit ton of people saying "that's it?" even after Antorus end).

[Revamp Man]

We... basically don't know that. Same about Ysera. If we get Dragons next expansion, Ysera for sure will come back.

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It absolutely does. But I'm sure you gonna dissect why it does not, so here we go.

Vashj doesn’t have a body and in terms of the thought process of the queen she is a failure and a discarded tool

[Nyel]

Both Wrath and Legion were culminations of story told in Warcraft III and Frozen Throne, especially Wrath is pretty messy without that foundation (imagine last hour of LoTR starting with tournament in Mordor and Sauron randomly showing up there).

Shadowlands are completely on the opposite, it's strange to me that Wrath nostalgia is so underused if this is continuation of that thread anyway. You clearly see that potential in Uther storyline that is arguably best thing connected to main plot.

And yeah, Legion was great with end of raids big events - Illidan resurrection, Argus showing up on the sky (we all knew this will be 7.3, but no one expected it visible on the sky all the time) and sword in Silithus. Let's hope 9.2 will have some return of form in this field, cause last few cinematics were full of missed opportunities and made you feel "that's it?" instead of "hell yeah" (but don't forget it's WoW community and there is always shit ton of people saying "that's it?" even after Antorus end).

I totally agree here. Every main raid in Legion felt very impactful and build up towards the upcoming raid. Not counting Emerald Nightmare, because that was a hit and miss, but the others were excellent.

Nighthold, in itself already one of the top raids in WoW, was a perfect build up towards Tomb of Sargeras. Tomb of Sargeras continued the storyline and culminated in what leads us to Argus. It was just a very well-executed build up towards the grand finale.

That wasn't the case in BfA at all, due to various reasons: Uldir felt very detached from everything, BoD - while being a great raid - had the faction-theme and didn't fit into the overarching narrative. Eternal Palace was an okay raid, but the ending felt very, very weak in comparison to the Legion build up of upcoming raids.

Shadowlands felt samey. Castle Nathria wasn't really part of the overarching narrative at all (although Denathrius was connected to the Jailer). Sanctum was okayish I guess, but the ending wasn't very climactic either.

I find it so weird that they seem to have found the pinnacle of WoWs modern design in Legion and then just abandoned basically every good aspect of it in the following expansions.

[Dracullus]

That wasn't the case in BfA at all, due to various reasons: Uldir felt very detached from everything, BoD - while being a great raid - had the faction-theme and didn't fit into the overarching narrative. Eternal Palace was an okay raid, but the ending felt very, very weak in comparison to the Legion build up of upcoming raids.

That's why BfA would work so well as two separate expansion.

8.0: Black Empire expansion: Zandalar leveling experience -> Uldir -> BoD (but with Azshara forces attacking, not Alliance) -> Nazjatar -> Nyalotha; on the end Azeroth is healed, every threat seems to be gone, but recources are scarce which lead to A/H war.

9.0: War expansion: Teldrassil/Lordareon (but without making Sylvanas and Forsaken obvious villains) -> Kul Tiras -> raiding experience BoD style -> last raid as massive battle between H/A, in the end Sylvanas betray everyone and decimate both armies (and THEN she fly away after achieving her goal, not because she's bored) which directly lead to SL.

[Baedril]

Vashj doesn’t have a body

Is that really a barrier in bringing Vashj back for blizzard? Make one fancy magic ritual where she brings herself back using the champion's 'connection to Azeroth' or something like that, and boom she's back. Hell, they could literally just have them walk out of the Shadowlands and use their SL models and never acknowledge it.

[Nyel]

That's why BfA would work so well as two separate expansion.

8.0: Black Empire expansion: Zandalar leveling experience -> Uldir -> BoD (but with Azshara forces attacking, not Alliance) -> Nazjatar -> Nyalotha; on the end Azeroth is healed, every threat seems to be gone, but recources are scarce which lead to A/H war.

9.0: War expansion: Teldrassil/Lordareon (but without making Sylvanas and Forsaken obvious villains) -> Kul Tiras -> raiding experience BoD style -> last raid as massive battle between H/A, in the end Sylvanas betray everyone and decimate both armies (and THEN she fly away after achieving her goal, not because she's bored) which directly lead to SL.

That's what I call a missed opportunity. Sounds pretty good. Nothing would feel rushed or left out.

[pacotaco]

YO! That's actually genius though.

Give us a Magnificent Seven story in an updated Westfall. Gotta save Sentinel Hill from the Defias and teach the Farmers to fight.

Isn't that the "7 Samurai" plot? >_>

[micwini]

Maybe the login screen for 10.0?

https://imgur.com/a/579DdzP

You changed the URL. Clever. You got me.

[Raetary]

You changed the URL. Clever. You got me.

It's a new image.

[Darkarath]

That's why BfA would work so well as two separate expansion.

8.0: Black Empire expansion: Zandalar leveling experience -> Uldir -> BoD (but with Azshara forces attacking, not Alliance) -> Nazjatar -> Nyalotha; on the end Azeroth is healed, every threat seems to be gone, but recources are scarce which lead to A/H war.

9.0: War expansion: Teldrassil/Lordareon (but without making Sylvanas and Forsaken obvious villains) -> Kul Tiras -> raiding experience BoD style -> last raid as massive battle between H/A, in the end Sylvanas betray everyone and decimate both armies (and THEN she fly away after achieving her goal, not because she's bored) which directly lead to SL.

Not bad, not bad at all. Zandalar and Kul'Tiras seem too small to carry their own expansion, though, and while I can see the Zandalari Empire staying neutral after our visit, Kul'Tiras would definitively join the Alliance again. I mean, it would feel bad if in one expansion one faction gets a new race while the other does not. But for sure Blizzard could have make it work with a different treatment.

The BfA way of handeling N'zoth still gets me. Why they were so eager to rush through so much good and potential plotlines? Hopefully 10.0 gives us some answers.

[micwini]

It's a new image.

You made me click the same link a second time. Thats some 5Head reply there.