Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[draugril]

This. I really hope they change leveling in some way. After a few alts leveling, it starts to feel... boring. Really hoping for, even though I dont really see it happening, that with a world revamp, they change the quests. A lot of the older ones feel boring.

I really think they should come up with a permanent "borrowed power" system (yes, oxymoron, but you get what I'm saying) and allow you to make legitimate progress in that system from level 1. It's clear that they believe that only the level cap matters and leveling is a relict formality. Might as well allow you to start making endgame progress from the second you make the character.

[The Stormbringer]

This is a pretty map. Whoever made it did a damn good job of making it in the WoW style.



It seems to entirely be missing the tiny structures that represent places on it, however.

EDIT: I just noticed the artist signature in the bottom right. "AZAPLS"

[draugril]

This is a pretty map. Whoever made it did a damn good job of making it in the WoW style.

Snip.

Proper Nouns: The Map.

[Ersula]

5.4 release date: September 10, 2013
6.0 release date: October 14, 2014
6.2 release date: June 23rd, 2015
7.0 release date: July 19th, 2016

Hmm...

I didn't say Major patch. There were 4 x.x.x patches between 5.4 & 6.0

It is clear to me now that there must be a Zereth for each force of the cosmos, and within them, an inner sanctum akin to the Sepulcher.

I guess I was wrong about Zereth Mortis (though I still maintain this is conclusive, while the orcale's statements were not)

But I'm still disappointed with them making a tone-deaf anti-war sentiment to the game about perpetual war.

[Raetary]

I didn't say Major patch. There were 4 x.x.x patches between 5.4 & 6.0

None of which were content patches, so idk why you deem them relevant.

[Ersula]

None of which were content patches, so idk why you deem them relevant.

*Laughs in Programming*

I pray that the First Ones anticipated such an eventuality. That they would leave measures in place to preserve their grand design.

Unless...

Unless their design was never meant to endure.

And that... is the possibility that haunts me.

My wish that the bad guys of the next expansion are Light-Void fusions is one step closer to fruition.

[Nyel]

They haven't jumped on this one because its obviously fake. Just look at the weird sloppy stuff above the letter T

It absolutely is not obviously fake. And what sloppy stuff? The logo looks absolutely fine, not super sharp, yet totally well-designed. You know what adds to this logo-leak? There didn't came a written and detailed leak with it, just the logo. Exactly the same was the case for Shadowlands. First we had the logo, then we had the marketing materials leaked. But the first thing we got was the logo.

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This is a pretty map. Whoever made it did a damn good job of making it in the WoW style.



It seems to entirely be missing the tiny structures that represent places on it, however.

EDIT: I just noticed the artist signature in the bottom right. "AZAPLS"

This map is hella cool. I love fans who are so engaged in this game and create stuff like this.

[Varx]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/secrets...poilers-325754

Has this been discussed yet?

Pretty much confirmation that there's 5 more Zereth's out there. Got me thinking...

The possible 10.0 collectors stuff that was datamined last week had to do with green dragons and we all know that green dragons have a connection to the Emerald Dream. We also know the ED is a dark mirror to Ardenweald. Yet, the ED is so closely tied to Azeroth, not to the entire cosmic plane of life.

If we look at the Jailer encounter, we know that ZM and Azeroth have a special bond.

SO what if the Emerald Dream is actually Zereth Vitae.

Then 10.0 has us go to the Dragon Isles, with the Green Dragonflight being the major leading force to, I guess continue this cosmic charade, and further unlock the secrets of the ED/ZV after w/e happens in 9.2.

[Nyel]

Oh yay, they introduce a 7th cosmic force because six hasn't been enough already. They're already preparing us for the masters behind the Void lords it seems, lol.

[Teriz]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/secrets...poilers-325754

Has this been discussed yet?

Pretty much confirmation that there's 5 more Zereth's out there. Got me thinking...

The possible 10.0 collectors stuff that was datamined last week had to do with green dragons and we all know that green dragons have a connection to the Emerald Dream. We also know the ED is a dark mirror to Ardenweald. Yet, the ED is so closely tied to Azeroth, not to the entire cosmic plane of life.

If we look at the Jailer encounter, we know that ZM and Azeroth have a special bond.

SO what if the Emerald Dream is actually Zereth Vitae.

Then 10.0 has us go to the Dragon Isles, with the Green Dragonflight being the major leading force to, I guess continue this cosmic charade, and further unlock the secrets of the ED/ZV after w/e happens in 9.2.

Keep in mind that expansions tend to be largely unrelated with each other. Shadowlands for example has very little to do thematically with BFA, and BFA has very little to do thematically with Legion. Also we could very much be overstating the importance of certain hints to the point where 10.0 might have nothing to do with dragons period, and we're in something we never anticipated. The only thing I'm pretty sure of is that we're not going to be dealing with cosmic threats, and 10.0 is going to be a "reset" of sorts where we begin some new storylines, since Shadowlands was supposedly the closing chapter of the storylines lingering from WC3.

[draugril]

Keep in mind that expansions tend to be largely unrelated with each other. Shadowlands for example has very little to do thematically with BFA, and BFA has very little to do thematically with Legion. Also we could very much be overstating the importance of certain hints to the point where 10.0 might have nothing to do with dragons period, and we're in something we never anticipated. The only thing I'm pretty sure of is that we're not going to be dealing with cosmic threats, and 10.0 is going to be a "reset" of sorts where we begin some new storylines, since Shadowlands was supposedly the closing chapter of the storylines lingering from WC3.

People are anticipating a Cataclysm redux... but I think it'll be more list Mists. We just chain killed a ton of hyperpowerful enemies - it's time to put us back in our place and have us clearing out vermin from farms and the like.

[Ersula]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/secrets...poilers-325754
Pretty much confirmation that there's 5 more Zereth's out there. Got me thinking...

The possible 10.0 collectors stuff that was datamined last week had to do with green dragons and we all know that green dragons have a connection to the Emerald Dream. We also know the ED is a dark mirror to Ardenweald. Yet, the ED is so closely tied to Azeroth, not to the entire cosmic plane of life.

If we look at the Jailer encounter, we know that ZM and Azeroth have a special bond.

SO what if the Emerald Dream is actually Zereth Vitae.

This would be the most logical conclusion, but the only connection between Zereth Mortis & Azeroth the Jailer is talking about is that he needs a world soul to power the sepulcher, in order to rewrite reality & perchance Azeroth has one.

That & its not clarified, but it seems like Zareth Mortis isn't actually in the Shadowlands. We take a portal to some other place, unlike the Maw or Korthia which can be traveled to without portals (the gates in Orboros are speed-boosts, not portals)

[Sondrelk]

Oh yay, they introduce a 7th cosmic force because six hasn't been enough already. They're already preparing us for the masters behind the Void lords it seems, lol.

Or the 7th force is the living world. By virtue of how all the other forces want it.
The 6 cosmic forces are both in internal conflict, and also "United" against the 7th, which is pretty much how the living world works. One force against six others.

[Teriz]

People are anticipating a Cataclysm redux... but I think it'll be more list Mists. We just chain killed a ton of hyperpowerful enemies - it's time to put us back in our place and have us clearing out vermin from farms and the like.

I agree. I fully anticipate 10.0 to be a "breather" expansion like MoP was, where we explore a new land and deal with some rather domestic threats. Generally some bread and butter WoW instead of what we've been experiencing the last few years.

Honestly, I would prefer that to an evil army of dragons descending on us and old Gods initiating the hour of twilight.

[Kiivar86]

Oh yay, they introduce a 7th cosmic force because six hasn't been enough already. They're already preparing us for the masters behind the Void lords it seems, lol.

We already knew there was a 7th out there. The Everliving Statuette mentioned a seventh:

The seventh covets what the six hold fast. The fulcrum wavers. All will be undone.

Yeah Roh-Suir does say it lies (as does the debuff) but that was always pretty clearly not the case.

Also I remember some people here poo-pooing the idea of Zereths for the other forces, while some like myself put the idea forward.

Well look who was right.

[Raetary]

Oh look, each force has a Zereth.
Who could've possibly guessed? /s

At least we can finally leave this topic behind us.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

You know, here's a more interesting idea I am sure won't be canon—what if the seventh force isn't actually malevolent? What if it's sublation, the Hegelian reconciliation of ideas leading to ideas taking qualities of one another to survive?

[Khaza-R]

Oh yay, they introduce a 7th cosmic force because six hasn't been enough already. They're already preparing us for the masters behind the Void lords it seems, lol.

I think it was obvious that's where this cosmic story line was going as soon as they announced it.

Like guaranteed you will have to unite all the cosmic forces and defeat the "true enemy" by game's finale. Probably also why this story already so boring and its barely even been told.

[username993720]

I didn't forget. Also, I'm pretty sure I haven't brought up Tinkers in this entire discussion.

Titan tech is for what then if not that?

No, but the Circle of Stars, Ulduar, and Uldir were Titan tech, and they did imprison Old Gods.

Facilities.

Just like that border "imprisons" the twilight/void in that logo.

What? You're being poetic now?

Let's also not forget that Blizzard can just pull Old God crap out of their butts like they did with Ghuun.

He's not a real Old God.

I would be interested in an expansion where Titan facilities were turned on us, and we had to stop an Ultron-type adversary hellbent on exterminating all organic life on Azeroth because it views it as a threat, and corrupted by the Old Gods. Kind of like a more scary, determined, sentient, and dangerous version of Mother.

There's already a potential mechanical threat with chromie in Mechagon.

Honestly I think the TMD could represent the infinite dragon flight.

Just one problem. They don't look like that.

While sounding science fiction, it's a very real possibility.

If Azeroth is truly damaged after the Jailer's attack, it stands to reason that the Titans would have some sort of failsafe in place to stop her from being fully corrupted. Mother's actions during BFA kind of showed just how extreme those actions could be (we're pretty much viewed as an infestation). We don't know all of the Titan facilities in Azeroth, and some could have been built specifically for the purpose of a last line of defense.

Pretty sure the Jailer is trying to kill her, not corrupt her.

That is the type of main antagonist we have never faced before.

Because, this is not Marvel.
You want a mechanical threat, there are already mechanical creatures.

Female Dwarves have received a new beard option: Power Braids

I'm dead.

IMO, Alexstraza should be the blueprint for a Dragon-based class.

Weird, because you acknowledged how they only add WC3 Heroes as classes.

So it’s been a week, and this is still the top leak out there.

By who's standards?

Also nothing else quite like this leak floating around.

The thousand and one other leaks...

I’m also noticing that the usual YouTube personalities aren’t really jumping on this the way they jumped on the random MMOC “leak” threads. Very interesting.

Wonder why...

SO what if the Emerald Dream is actually Zereth Vitae.

Duh...
No tinker this time in your post?

Or the 7th force is the living world. By virtue of how all the other forces want it.
The 6 cosmic forces are both in internal conflict, and also "United" against the 7th, which is pretty much how the living world works. One force against six others.

What about the elements? Why do everyone keep forgetting about them?

Honestly, I would prefer that to an evil army of dragons descending on us and old Gods initiating the hour of twilight.

Which, you have been preaching for the last 10 or so pages.
Make up your mind, will ya?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I thought we known there being more then one zerath anyways.