Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[username993720]

The proper term is "Magitech". We see it with the Naaru as well.

Magitech? Can i get a source for that?

I would expect the final class in WoW being based on the final two WC3 heroes (both Goblins) whose abilities are completely absent from the class lineup.

So, that's not MoP.

Incorrect. The professions are based on WC3's item system, not the hero units. The hero units have all been absorbed into the class lineup save for two, which indicates that they're being reserved for a WoW class at some point. If they were supposed to be depicted in the professions, their attributes and abilities would appear in the professions (much like the classes depict the WC3 heroes rather closely to how they appear in the WC3). That simply is not the case.

There are multiple references to Tinkers as Engineers.

As for the Blademaster, there's no point in discussing it as a potential class because Blizzard would make it a revised spec for the Warrior class before anything else.

No, they wouldn't.

Blizzard could simply revamp Arms and add a version of Mirror Image and Windwalk and some corresponding talents (even some talents from HotS) and we're all set.

Cannot be done. Warriors don't use magic duplicates or invisibility.

They could even rename the spec "Blademaster".

Won't happen.

That makes far more sense than cannibalizing design space on what would be an extremely shallow class.

That makes zero sense, as the Warrior is not a samurai. And you cannot know what such class would be like before actually playing it.

If the hero representative is Wrathion, then you're going to be a dragon like Wrathion, not some chump in armor begging Wrathion for scraps.

Wrathion isn't the representative of a class.

Just like you're a DK like Arthas, you're a Monk like Chen, and you're a Demon Hunter like Illidan.

They're alll based on WC3 Heroes. Wrathion isn't.

[Shadochi]

Just found this old screenshot and holy shit!

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/Nzua4cA.jpg[IMG]

The Janitors plan all along has been not to remake reality but to remake WoWs engine

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Magitech? Can i get a source for that?

Magitek - https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Magitek

It's not a WoW term, but a general Fantasy/SciFi term to explain the trope of combining magic with tech.
Some franchises give it an actual name while others don't (For example in League of Legends its Hextech).
I guess giving it a name depends how special of a part it combining magic with tech is in a universe. In wow it doesn't seem to be all that different than just a branch of engineering since magic is quite common so it got incorporated into it so no need for a special name. Makes sense in WoW also for most tech to be magitek

[username993720]

Magitek - https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Magitek

It's not a WoW term, but a general Fantasy/SciFi term to explain the trope of combining magic with tech.
Some franchises give it an actual name while others don't (For example in League of Legends its Hextech).
I guess giving it a name depends how special of a part it combining magic with tech is in a universe. In wow it doesn't seem to be all that different than just a branch of engineering since magic is quite common so it got incorporated into it so no need for a special name. Makes sense in WoW also for most tech to be magitek

If we're talking WoW, i expect a WoW source. Thanks.

[Miststraws]

If we're talking WoW, i expect a WoW source. Thanks.

Edgy much? Sheesh...

[Teriz]

Magitech? Can i get a source for that?

Essentially any technology that is merged with magic. See Draenei and Nightborne artificers, or Naaru and Titan technology.

So, that's not MoP.

Monks were the new class in MoP and they followed the exact same perimeters as that final class would.

There are multiple references to Tinkers as Engineers.

And "Engineer" in WoW doesn't only mean the engineering profession. Just like all Enchanters in WoW are not representative of the crafting profession.

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No, they wouldn't.

Why wouldn't they? It makes perfect sense. Why waste time creating an entirely new class when you can just place the Blademaster concept in the Arms spec? Bladestorm and 2H specialization is already there.

Cannot be done. Warriors don't use magic duplicates or invisibility.

Really? It seems to be just a Trinket;

https://www.wowhead.com/item=124224/...ter?bonus=1801

That makes zero sense, as the Warrior is not a samurai. And you cannot know what such class would be like before actually playing it.

There are no Samurai in WoW, and I don't recall Samurai being able to turn invisible and split into four illusions of themselves. What you're talking about is a specialized Orc warrior with a couple of illusionary tricks up their sleeve. Nothing more, nothing less.

Wrathion isn't the representative of a class.



They're alll based on WC3 Heroes. Wrathion isn't.

If we're talking about a possible dragon class, then we're no longer talking about WC3 heroes, we're talking about WoW heroes period, and Wrathion is definitely a WC hero character.

[Jokubas]

I was feeling super cynical about the story earlier, but I want to take some of it back.

I had forgotten how much I loved the penultimate cutscenes (not the final one, obviously) of Battle for Azeroth.

Crossroads, the Negotiation, Reckoning... even the Derek and Jaina Reunion. These were powerful moments, full of emotion and history. Characters we had known for years faced their pasts and made difficult decisions for the sake of a better world. There was weight behind every moment, because it was built upon decades of established lore. We've seen why Jaina struggles with trust. We understand Thrall's exasperation with things always turning out the same. Saurfang's weariness in discussing the dark origins of the Horde was our weariness too, because some of us have been here from the beginning.

I haven't felt that way about anything in Shadowlands and I had forgotten that the story was not only capable of it, but it was as recently as the previous expansion that it was achieved.

When I've been saying I wanted a more grounded expansion, I've only been thinking about how I don't like every inch of the cosmos being explained. I had forgotten that grounded had already meant meaningful character moments.

I've said before that I'm convinced plot threads from the last couple of expansions were always meant to lead up to Shadowlands, but after rewatching these cutscenes it feels like the best part of Battle for Azeroth has yet to be followed up on and I really hope that's where we're going next.

I want to see that past become the past, but carry it forward as the history to build something new upon, something where we have that full investment, not just the stakes.

[Revamp Man]

You didn't answer my question; Would you rather serve a dragon, or be a dragon?

Extend that to the wider player base; Do you think players want to be a melee class that uses "dragon (fire)" abilities, or would they rather be a ranged caster class that can shift in and out of dragon form while in combat?

Even better; Imagine being able to customize how your dragon looks? Imagine being able to tame dragons as pets and familiars? Imagine a class that be any race in the game since it's just a disguise?

C'mon man, the choice is easy.

Personally I’d rather serve a dragon
You describe it as a slave while the book describes it as more or less employment

Especially when talking about a class because if you are a dragon then that’s your race

[MuscleBobBuffPants]

Are those old content maps?

[username993720]

Essentially any technology that is merged with magic. See Draenei and Nightborne artificers, or Naaru and Titan technology.

I asked for a source.

Monks were the new class in MoP and they followed the exact same perimeters as that final class would.

I mean it wouldn't be asiatic.

And "Engineer" in WoW doesn't only mean the engineering profession. Just like all Enchanters in WoW are not representative of the crafting profession.

Example 1
Example 2
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"Engineers are practitioners of engineering. They are of many Azeroth's races and are affiliated with various factions.

In WoW, they act as vendors or trainers".

Why wouldn't they? It makes perfect sense.

It doesn't. Arms Warriors are juggernauts, not agile, mystic samurais.

Why waste time creating an entirely new class when you can just place the Blademaster concept in the Arms spec?

Because it doesn't fit.

Bladestorm and 2H specialization is already there.

Blademasters are not about 2H only.
And, you can't add Mirror Image and Windwalk to the Warrior.

Really? It seems to be just a Trinket;

https://www.wowhead.com/item=124224/...ter?bonus=1801

Yes, a trinket. Not a Warrior ability. And look who's not listed:

Classes: Hunter, Rogue, Shaman, Monk, Druid, Demon Hunter.

The Warrior.

There are no Samurai in WoW,

They are called Blademasters.

and I don't recall Samurai being able to turn invisible and split into four illusions of themselves.

That's called fantasy, not real life.

What you're talking about is a specialized Orc warrior with a couple of illusionary tricks up their sleeve. Nothing more, nothing less.

What i'm talking about is a fully-fledged samurai class. And it is no longer restricted to Orcs anymore, if you didn't know that.

If we're talking about a possible dragon class, then we're no longer talking about WC3 heroes, we're talking about WoW heroes period, and Wrathion is definitely a WC hero character.

Then, it wouldn't make the cut.

[Verdugo]

It must be why the Number 1 question at all BlizzCons was "where are Alleria and Turalyon?"

And then they saw the answer.

[Fahrad Wagner]

That fan-made map is cute, but blue dragons were ROBBED.

[Lahis]

Blademasters are not about 2H only.
And, you can't add Mirror Image and Windwalk to the Warrior.

Then add Blademaster to monks. They have Windealk, Mirror images and wear light armor.

[Valysar]

I really love that map

[username993720]

Then add Blademaster to monks. They have Windealk, Mirror images and wear light armor.

Makes more sense, to be honest.
Though, in WC3 the Brewmaster and Blademaster were 2 different Hero units.

[Golden Yak]

RIP Blue Dragonflight.

Anyway, it's not real, Azapls sig can be seen in the bottom right corner.

Cool map, but probably for the best it's fake. Some of those zone names are a mouthful.

Patch would probably be the Isle of Ksyzkameryvesk or something.

Just found this old screenshot and holy shit!

That's a good one. Kudos.

[Teriz]

I asked for a source.

I listed them for you.

I mean it wouldn't be asiatic.

Samurai are Japanese, so yeah, they are Asiatic. There is no such concept in Warcraft.

"Engineers are practitioners of engineering. They are of many Azeroth's races and are affiliated with various factions.

In WoW, they act as vendors or trainers".

So you're going to completely ignore all evidence and continue to push a false narrative. Okie dokie.

It doesn't. Arms Warriors are juggernauts, not agile, mystic samurai.



Because it doesn't fit.



Blademasters are not about 2H only.
And, you can't add Mirror Image and Windwalk to the Warrior.


Yes, a trinket. Not a Warrior ability. And look who's not listed:

Classes: Hunter, Rogue, Shaman, Monk, Druid, Demon Hunter.

Then they're Rogues, since Rogues can use blades, Mirror Image, and Windwalk. Either way, there isn't enough meat on the bones to make Blademasters into a class.

That's called fantasy, not real life.

What i'm talking about is a fully-fledged samurai class. And it is no longer restricted to Orcs anymore, if you didn't know that.

Again, there is no Samurai class in Warcraft. Final Fantasy XIV is on another forum.

[Raetary]

The problem with Blademasters is that their concept was shredded and the remains sprinkled across 4 different classes.

If they are gonna be a thing, it'll have to be as a class skin for monks/warriors.
Otherwise they'd just demonstrably clash with existing classes.

[Lahis]

Cool map, but probably for the best it's fake. Some of those zone names are a mouthful.

Patch would probably be the Isle of Ksyzkameryvesk or something.

World of Warcraft: The Slavlands.

[Soulwind]

World of Warcraft: The Slavlands.

Someone should make a WoW-like map of Iceland.

[Teriz]

The problem with Blademasters is that their concept was shredded and the remains sprinkled across 4 different classes.

If they are gonna be a thing, it'll have to be as a class skin for monks/warriors.
Otherwise they'd just demonstrably clash with existing classes.

Yeah, a Blademaster would play exactly like a Rogue. It's truly one of the worst class suggestions around.