Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Vladier]

I can see how you might think that but you're forgetting two things:
1.) Things inside the Maw could not leave the Shadowlands until Sylvanas broke the helm. And the Nathrazim have only been operating under their orders from the jailer since before they were banished from the Shadowlands.
2.) The Primus literally said the Crown & Frostmorne were made to collect souls "within maldraxxus". Immediately after that cutscene he directly states knowing the danger they would present if fallen into the wrong hands, hid them on Azeroth. I'm not wildly speculating, the Primus directly explains this.

1) Souls couldn't leave. Things and information could.

2) Primus created the designs, but he never actually made anything from them, deeming them too powerful to ever be used. He hid the designs, not the items, within his own memory, not anywhere on Azeroth or anywhere else. There was never ever any other explanation from Primus ever. "On Azeroth" part is a product of your imagination.

The cutscene you linked is literally the Jailer torturing the designs out of Primus after expositing how the previous such torture sessions already supplied his armies. And your interpretation requires the Nathrezim to somehow find the blade and the Helm on Azeroth, retrieve them and then present them to Kil'jaeden to send them back to Azeroth anyway. It literally makes no sense.

[Revamp Man]

New swtor expansion coming the 15th
Info dump?? Just for 10.0

[ro9ue]

WoW: Dragonsworn is expansion name
Turalyon the Usurper
Wrathion harbors Anduin and players on Dragon Isles
Anduin dragonsworn pact with Wrathion, this is how he becomes corrupted by void later
Arator, Alleria, Umbric
5 Floating Zones
Dragonshire is new sanctuary (capital)
Gathering professions removed, everyone can use nodes
Focus on professions, specializations and account wide recipe learning
Glyphs return
Level cap is still 60
Shadowlands added to Chromie 1-50 content
Dragonshrines (Class halls but instead you pledge oath to a dragonflight "dragonsworn")
Leads to End Time 10.3 and new dragon aspects of magic like Azeroth power rangers - Sylvanas the Red life+death, Tyrande the Green light+shadow, Jaina the Blue magic+chaos, Baine the Earthwarden, 4 elements. They also get dragon forms using origination forge type thing.
Craft Ancestral Weapons (Options available based on class and race matrix, ie Ranger bow for Elf/Human/Undead Hunters and Rogues)

[Ielenia]

one still is just a dead elf, and not all dead elves with the curse have a different model.

And if you wanna be that pedantic, Venthyr actually look a bit like elves with a more Nosferatu-like face. And, as far as I recall, the only san'layn that still sorta resembles a blood elf is Blood Queen Lana'thel, but then again, elves don't have bat-like wings.

I call a blast of ice because it is a damn blast of ice,

Source? Where's the official source that says "it's a damn blast of ice"? Again, you're asserting it is a blast of ice and nothing else because it fits your narrative.

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Iirc the plan for Warcraft III: Reforged was to have Arthas cross over the water on ice. But well, we never got the promised version, just Refunded instead ....

Yes, but Warcraft III: Reforged's story and events were supposed to be altered to reflect the current lore, but they backed out of that.

[huth]

Just change to horde bro, minor invonvenience.

see? isn't good

And that's going to do what exactly when your BG doesn't start because the Alliance has to few players? Not that this option is even available because, you know, they're already Horde.

All this shows is that you didn't actually spend a second thinking about it and your claims can safely be ignored as unfounded.

You know, if you really don't want to play with the Alliance, there's an easy way to do that: Just don't play with them. Nobody is forcing you to group up with them.
Of course, that may result in you not being able to find groups, but that's your problem, not ours. You made your bed. Sleep in it.

[Catastrophy349]

WoW: Dragonsworn is expansion name
Turalyon the Usurper
Wrathion harbors Anduin and players on Dragon Isles
Anduin dragonsworn pact with Wrathion, this is how he becomes corrupted by void later
Arator, Alleria, Umbric
5 Floating Zones
Dragonshire is new sanctuary (capital)
Gathering professions removed, everyone can use nodes
Focus on professions, specializations and account wide recipe learning
Glyphs return
Level cap is still 60
Shadowlands added to Chromie 1-50 content
Dragonshrines (Class halls but instead you pledge oath to a dragonflight "dragonsworn")
Leads to End Time 10.3 and new dragon aspects of magic like Azeroth power rangers - Sylvanas the Red life+death, Tyrande the Green light+shadow, Jaina the Blue magic+chaos, Baine the Earthwarden, 4 elements. They also get dragon forms using origination forge type thing.
Craft Ancestral Weapons (Options available based on class and race matrix, ie Ranger bow for Elf/Human/Undead Hunters and Rogues)

Sounds very cool

[Varx]

WoW: Dragonsworn is expansion name
Turalyon the Usurper
Wrathion harbors Anduin and players on Dragon Isles
Anduin dragonsworn pact with Wrathion, this is how he becomes corrupted by void later
Arator, Alleria, Umbric
5 Floating Zones
Dragonshire is new sanctuary (capital)
Gathering professions removed, everyone can use nodes
Focus on professions, specializations and account wide recipe learning
Glyphs return
Level cap is still 60
Shadowlands added to Chromie 1-50 content
Dragonshrines (Class halls but instead you pledge oath to a dragonflight "dragonsworn")
Leads to End Time 10.3 and new dragon aspects of magic like Azeroth power rangers - Sylvanas the Red life+death, Tyrande the Green light+shadow, Jaina the Blue magic+chaos, Baine the Earthwarden, 4 elements. They also get dragon forms using origination forge type thing.
Craft Ancestral Weapons (Options available based on class and race matrix, ie Ranger bow for Elf/Human/Undead Hunters and Rogues)

Again... No tinker means fake af.

[Ersula]

The cutscene you linked is literally the Jailer torturing the designs out of Primus after expositing how the previous such torture sessions already supplied his armies. And your interpretation requires the Nathrezim to somehow find the blade and the Helm on Azeroth, retrieve them and then present them to Kil'jaeden to send them back to Azeroth anyway. It literally makes no sense.

"No one has ever escaped the Maw" It would be a shit prison if you could just walk out of it. And the Nathrazim never physically showed Frostmorne to Kil'jaeden. What would be the purpose? Especially since it was integral to Ner'zul *undermining* the legion in WC3.

There's a line on Wowpedia about the Dreadlords "bringing Frostmorne to Kil'jaeden" but it has no source. It seems whatever fan was trying to consolidate comments from the devs (WAY BEFORE SHADOWLANDS OR BFA) that the Nathrazim "forged" Frostmorne, but we know that was just a lie. From what we see in WC3 Frostmorne was just sitting there in Northrend waiting to be found.

[Archmage Xaxxas]

Leads to End Time 10.3

Honestly though, it's great to see people still recognizing End Time. Though the Cata version I believe has been more or less averted,

is it NOT still -quite interesting- that the chiefly characters in that dungeon, Sylvanas, Jaina, Baine, and Tyrande are not only still around- but are the main players relevant in BfA/Shadowlands?

I still have this feeling that End Time as a vague prophecy of who will be involved is being adhered to. Whilst other realities of their personal situations, and the world situation are specific to that vision.

[Verdugo]

Source? Where's the official source that says "it's a damn blast of ice"? Again, you're asserting it is a blast of ice and nothing else because it fits your narrative.

You are trying to say its something else. What is it, tell us.

[huth]

Honestly though, it's great to see people still recognizing End Time. Though the Cata version I believe has been more or less averted,

Kinda hard to have Deathwing impaled on Wyrmrest what with him being horribly deformed and then disintegrated years ago.

Though you're misinterpreting things. End Time had their failed attempts to stop Deathwing, not them causing things.

[Khaza-R]

"No one has ever escaped the Maw" It would be a shit prison if you could just walk out of it. And the Nathrazim never physically showed Frostmorne to Kil'jaeden. What would be the purpose? Especially since it was integral to Ner'zul *undermining* the legion in WC3.

There's a line on Wowpedia about the Dreadlords "bringing Frostmorne to Kil'jaeden" but it has no source. It seems whatever fan was trying to consolidate comments from the devs (WAY BEFORE SHADOWLANDS OR BFA) that the Nathrazim "forged" Frostmorne, but we know that was just a lie. From what we see in WC3 Frostmorne was just sitting there in Northrend waiting to be found.

To be fair, that part was always a bit weird even in WarCraft III.

Supposedly Ner'zhul was imprisoned in the ice with Frostmourne. Peering into the future he saw Arthas as his source of freedom and power. So he somehow threw Frostmourne from the rest of the armor to be found by Arthas. In doing so he weakened himself by damaging his prison.

But in the RoC human campaign it definitely seems like Frostmourne is an ancient relic. After all, Muradin tells you that's why he's in Northrend in the first place to recover it. That's not excuse for the new sloppy lore but just saying that its always had some inconsistencies surrounding it.

[Archmage Xaxxas]

Kinda hard to have Deathwing impaled on Wyrmrest what with him being horribly deformed and then disintegrated years ago.

Though you're misinterpreting things. End Time had their failed attempts to stop Deathwing, not them causing things.

Why the actual hell are you quoting my words "Though the Cata version I believe has been more or less averted" and telling me "DOOOH DEATHWING IS DEAD THOUGH"

as if I didn't know? When I just stated that I'm aware that the Reality seen in End Time isn't going to happen? What the actual fuck? Enough MMO champion for the week, good grief.

[huth]

Why the actual hell are you quoting my words "Though the Cata version I believe has been more or less averted" and telling me "DOOOH DEATHWING IS DEAD THOUGH"

Because i'm agreeing.

[Cosmic Janitor]

I guess doing end times again - despite averting it and anchoring it with a nice little bow into the timeline - would just be the right kind of tone deaf and ignoring the past that would fit the current direction. The idea of promoting the dry main cast to aspect status though has shivers being send down my spine. Then again, turning them into bland background figures would probably fit them and we could maybe get some new characters; by god we know they old cast won't get any more interesting.

[ro9ue]

Kinda hard to have Deathwing impaled on Wyrmrest what with him being horribly deformed and then disintegrated years ago.

Though you're misinterpreting things. End Time had their failed attempts to stop Deathwing, not them causing things.

It was a false vision, impaled on Wyrmrest is actually a fully grown, corrupted Wrathion.

[Makabreska]

It was a false vision, impaled on Wyrmrest is actually a fully grown, corrupted Wrathion.

Wut? Where did you get this from?

[ro9ue]

Honestly though, it's great to see people still recognizing End Time. Though the Cata version I believe has been more or less averted,

is it NOT still -quite interesting- that the chiefly characters in that dungeon, Sylvanas, Jaina, Baine, and Tyrande are not only still around- but are the main players relevant in BfA/Shadowlands?

I still have this feeling that End Time as a vague prophecy of who will be involved is being adhered to. Whilst other realities of their personal situations, and the world situation are specific to that vision.

Yep and the true End Time will actually have Wrathion impaled on Wyrmest. N'Zoth's essence remained in the dagger that used to have Xalatath and whispers to him from there.

[NikolaiShade]

I guess doing end times again - despite averting it and anchoring it with a nice little bow into the timeline - would just be the right kind of tone deaf and ignoring the past that would fit the current direction. The idea of promoting the dry main cast to aspect status though has shivers being send down my spine. Then again, turning them into bland background figures would probably fit them and we could maybe get some new characters; by god we know they old cast won't get any more interesting.

I agree with you about the story re-treading and the state of the main characters, however, even if that particular iteration of the End Time has been averted and is a fixed point in history, Xal'athat or something else, could well try to bring forth the Hour of Twilight and a new End Time

[Sondrelk]

I just wonder why noone seems that interested in whatever Murozond was trying to avoid.
When we engage him and claims that the deserted, desolate land is a blessing compared to the true horrors that could be released if we stop him from averting the timeline.
Most likely it's him talking about whatever vision the Old Gods showed him, but still an intriguing prospect to ponder.

And of course, what is the event that will finally cause Nozdormu to turn? The Old Gods are supposed to be dead, so something big has to be revealed eventually.