Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[NikolaiShade]

I guess doing end times again - despite averting it and anchoring it with a nice little bow into the timeline - would just be the right kind of tone deaf and ignoring the past that would fit the current direction. The idea of promoting the dry main cast to aspect status though has shivers being send down my spine. Then again, turning them into bland background figures would probably fit them and we could maybe get some new characters; by god we know they old cast won't get any more interesting.

I agree with you about the story re-treading and the state of the main characters, however, even if that particular iteration of the End Time has been averted and is a fixed point in history, Xal'athat or something else, could well try to bring forth the Hour of Twilight and a new End Time

[Sondrelk]

I just wonder why noone seems that interested in whatever Murozond was trying to avoid.
When we engage him and claims that the deserted, desolate land is a blessing compared to the true horrors that could be released if we stop him from averting the timeline.
Most likely it's him talking about whatever vision the Old Gods showed him, but still an intriguing prospect to ponder.

And of course, what is the event that will finally cause Nozdormu to turn? The Old Gods are supposed to be dead, so something big has to be revealed eventually.

[NikolaiShade]

Murozond and the Infinite Dragonflight are the coolest enemies right now, no idea why Blizzard has not used them more

[Varodoc]

When N'Zoth is revealed to still be alive, he will summon Murozond to his aid once more.

N'Zoth is the absolute and supreme master of Murozond and the Infinite Dragonflight. Hence why Murozond and his minions worked to support N'Zoth in Cataclysm, in his campaign to usher in the Hour of Twilight/End Times, when all life is scoured from Azeroth.

N'Zoth's manipulations are directly responsible for the creation of Murozond and his kind:

After the titans showed Nozdormu his own death, a tormented Nozdormu from the future was tricked by the Old Gods into trying to subvert his mortality.[7] The Old Gods' motivation in doing so was an attempt to erase Thrall from history, so that he would not be able to stop the Hour of Twilight.[4] As a result, Nozdormu (known then as Murozond, a creature out of time) shattered the timeways and created the infinite dragonflight, jeopardizing the very future of Azeroth[7] by trying to change past events.

The Old God is directly responsible for the creation of Murozond and his brood, they are his slaves and minions.


When the Old God of the Deep rises once more, the Infinite dragons will answer the call to war.

[Makabreska]

Murozond and the Infinite Dragonflight are the coolest enemies right now, no idea why Blizzard has not used them more

Well, I personally had enough of evil, corrupted dragons for the life time. Nightmare-corrupted, undead-corrupted, void-corrupted and time-corrupted. All-in-all, I just yawn each time I see dragons playing any important story part.

[bruxx]

My issue with the timeless is that We can kill Murozond a thousand times and he would still be "alive" at a point in the timeline. How do you make any story around that feel satisfying? And that's without mentioning timey wimey messes.

Only thing I can think of is Ending Murozond at the moment of his "birth" or preventing it all together, but it will be an altogether very messy and confusing plot riddled with ill-conceived concepts such as the one legion for all realities, and souls being "like a rope"

[huth]

Wut? Where did you get this from?

He just made it up.

[Vladier]

To be fair, that part was always a bit weird even in WarCraft III.

Supposedly Ner'zhul was imprisoned in the ice with Frostmourne. Peering into the future he saw Arthas as his source of freedom and power. So he somehow threw Frostmourne from the rest of the armor to be found by Arthas. In doing so he weakened himself by damaging his prison.

But in the RoC human campaign it definitely seems like Frostmourne is an ancient relic. After all, Muradin tells you that's why he's in Northrend in the first place to recover it. That's not excuse for the new sloppy lore but just saying that its always had some inconsistencies surrounding it.

Actually, the RoC says (through Mal'ganis, mind) that it was Ner'zhul who forged the blade, somehow, despite being a spirit bound to an empty suit of armor frozen in a block of ice. Then it was Kil'jaeden who created both the blade and the armor. Then, in Legion's artifact lore, it was simply "demon-forged", specifically for the Lich-King plan. And in Shadowlands we learned that it was created by the Jailer in the Maw and passed to the Lich-King through the Nathrezim, somehow getting it out of the Maw in the first place. Although considering how the Jailer can actually shoot Torghast's chains out of the Maw, maybe he just built a catapult and threw them to Revendreth, which is physically very close to the Maw.

In any version of lore, there is no way for Frostmourne to be an ancient artifact like Muradin claimed (at least in Azeroth's perception of time). It can only be assumed that the Dreadlords fabricated the whole "ancient relic" thing in the first place to draw a suitable vessel to wield it.

[Harbour]

WoW: Dragonsworn is expansion name
Turalyon the Usurper
Wrathion harbors Anduin and players on Dragon Isles
Anduin dragonsworn pact with Wrathion, this is how he becomes corrupted by void later
Arator, Alleria, Umbric
5 Floating Zones
Dragonshire is new sanctuary (capital)
Gathering professions removed, everyone can use nodes
Focus on professions, specializations and account wide recipe learning
Glyphs return
Level cap is still 60
Shadowlands added to Chromie 1-50 content
Dragonshrines (Class halls but instead you pledge oath to a dragonflight "dragonsworn")
Leads to End Time 10.3 and new dragon aspects of magic like Azeroth power rangers - Sylvanas the Red life+death, Tyrande the Green light+shadow, Jaina the Blue magic+chaos, Baine the Earthwarden, 4 elements. They also get dragon forms using origination forge type thing.
Craft Ancestral Weapons (Options available based on class and race matrix, ie Ranger bow for Elf/Human/Undead Hunters and Rogues)

The most believable leak tbh, from the point of freshness of ideas. Its random but not too random, and so on and so far. I can see Dragonshire-Sanctuary, 5 FLOATING zones, if to believe the dragon isles arent depicted on maps because they are in the sky floating around, gathering professions being removed is weirdly specific info, aslo makes sense, and the story seems blizzard-alike.
I dig it.

[Syegfryed]

And if you wanna be that pedantic, Venthyr actually look a bit like elves with a more Nosferatu-like face. And, as far as I recall, the only san'layn that still sorta resembles a blood elf is Blood Queen Lana'thel, but then again, elves don't have bat-like wings.

yeah, like goblins and trolls look like elves because pointy ears

Source? Where's the official source that says "it's a damn blast of ice"? Again, you're asserting it is a blast of ice and nothing else because it fits your narrative.

In the game, where he throw in the gates, there is literally a video of him doing that.

Unless you wanna guess what else the blast of white blue energy, is?

[Makorus]

Murozond isn't gonna happen in our timeline because we stopped what would have turned him.

[Palapop]

Here's a quote by Malfurion in Warcraft 3:

"No doubt Archimonde will make his way to Hyjal Summit and attack the World Tree. If he succeeds in draining the tree's energies, this world will be doomed."

Let's remind ourselves that Nordrassil has roots going all the way into Azeroth's core. It sits on top of the second Well of Eternity, and has been the target for many different invading forces over the years. It is also the final world tree.

It just boggles me how Yogg-Saron was behind the destruction/corruption of every. single. world tree and great tree so far. Teldrassil is still up in the air. But Sylvanas burned it, after she became the Jailer's puppet when she killed herself by throwing herself onto Yogg-Saron's saronite blood. Yogg-Saron's titles include God of Death and Hope's End. When Sylvanas burned the tree, a dying night elf said the following: "[...] you can't kill hope," to which Sylvanas replied "can't I?". Seems pretty suspicious to me.

I am 90% convinced Nordrassil will play a significant role in 10.0. Makes sense considering we'll probably see a revamp, night elves need a new home, and the Emerald Dream as well as the dragon aspects might be involved.

Youre try too hard to find ANY logical connections between WC3 lore and Shitlands.

[Varodoc]

N'zoth won't come back till Alleria makes it happen and that won't happen till Blizz is done character assassinating Yrel. That's even assuming N'zoth comes back. If we ever get another Old God it's 99.99999% guaranteed to b3 Xalatath

Both Yrel and Turalyon are safe from the villain batting and Alleria is the safest of all.

I think that the next person to go crazy is Geya'rah aka Grommash Hellscream's fangirl.

[Varodoc]

Uh have you unlocked Maghar? Cause Yrel has already been hit with the villain bat. Alleria and Turalyon are next in line after her. Im not happy about it but that shit is telegraphed so hard it's a wonder Blizzard hasn't just announced it already.

She has not been "hit with the villain bat".

She is seen as villainous by an orc brat who is crazy enough to think Grommash Hellscream (the AU one from WoD) is a hero.

She is seen as villainous by her enemies in the war, which doesn't mean anything.

Until we get the full picture of the war, Yrel is not a villain.

I'm not trusting Geya'rah's words on the subject because she's clearly a biased brat, of course she'll glorify Grommash and her people

[Varodoc]

Bruh she's light crazy. She wants to purge everything that isn't bathed in the light. You don't have to trust rhe Mag'hars words you see it in action.

She's Azeroth/Draenors version of a Borg queen but light based not tech based.

She has been given visions by the Naaru. The real villains are the AU Naaru if anything, they are the ones who are controlling and misleading the Draenei with the visions. As she explains in her book, she has been given visions by the Naaru and so she is convinced that this is her destiny.

But do Geya'rah and co. care? Nope, they'll just burn the Alliance cities to the ground because they accepted the Draenei (stated verbatim by Geya'rah)

[Palapop]

Most of what I wrote isn't from WC3, it's WoW-era lore.

I was referring to WC3 Malfurion's quote.

and about the rest? well, its from WOWs era while devs still cared for something.

[Alanar]

WoW: Dragonsworn is expansion name
Turalyon the Usurper
Wrathion harbors Anduin and players on Dragon Isles
Anduin dragonsworn pact with Wrathion, this is how he becomes corrupted by void later
Arator, Alleria, Umbric
5 Floating Zones
Dragonshire is new sanctuary (capital)
Gathering professions removed, everyone can use nodes
Focus on professions, specializations and account wide recipe learning
Glyphs return
Level cap is still 60
Shadowlands added to Chromie 1-50 content
Dragonshrines (Class halls but instead you pledge oath to a dragonflight "dragonsworn")
Leads to End Time 10.3 and new dragon aspects of magic like Azeroth power rangers - Sylvanas the Red life+death, Tyrande the Green light+shadow, Jaina the Blue magic+chaos, Baine the Earthwarden, 4 elements. They also get dragon forms using origination forge type thing.
Craft Ancestral Weapons (Options available based on class and race matrix, ie Ranger bow for Elf/Human/Undead Hunters and Rogues)

There you have it folks.

[Iheartnathanos]

There you have it folks.

Why 'there you have it?'

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Murozond isn't gonna happen in our timeline because we stopped what would have turned him.

Nah... Nozdormu (our Nozdormu) will still fall to madness. He even says it himself. Whether or not he becomes Murozond when he does, I think that is up in the air.


I know the Murozond we faced in End Time is from the future... but I don't think he is from our prime timeline's future. Blizzard must be using DBZ time travel rules.

[Alanar]

You mean the one that's just emulating the Legion leak from a person that constantly makes up random shit and posts it completely straight faced?

I pretend every " leak" is the real one. 'This is it' is another good one.