Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I wouldn't say both of todays announcements were completely positive. The first one continues the WoW Token enterprise but in a hush hush manner (with obvious workarounds for those who want to try) while continuing the selling of Gold for Real Life Currencies of which you can buy 400 USD/Euro each week.

The second one is in-dev and first iteration of the system which if left in its current state is not going to be a solution at all for the issue and if this announcement is all there is to the Cross Faction System it doesn't resolve everything that the Alliance faction is going through. They need to iterate on the System.


The positive I take away from this is they are active and they also want to announce in-dev stuff which gives hope to some great future announcements.

[huth]

What a nice way to address the problem, this kind of answer works with or without the Cross-Faction feature... and to some extent to every problem by just changing a couple of words.

For what it's worth, your complaint is equivalent to saying "my guild refuses to let my Alliance character join". That's not a problem with Blizzard. That's a problem with your guild. If you don't want to talk to your guild about ways to solve the issue, then that is entirely your problem, as well.

On that note, did you even ask your guild on how they are going to handle this?

[TheFirstOnes]

I was worried about this, but even with tempered expectations it still feels like a monkey's paw: get the thing you want with a catch that defeats the purpose.

This isn't rebuilding my trust, it's reinforcing what's been pushing my away for years. I can never be excited for what's coming because the first version of a feature always has some fatal flaw, leaving me with nothing but to hope instead for the promise of what it could be in the future.

Blizzard never used to do this. Blizzard always went big and bold and it was one of the most powerful tools in World of Warcraft's arsenal. They would do something grand, all at once, and force their competitors to scramble to keep up. Nowadays they're so overly cautious that even when they finally add something that other games have had for years, it's still not as good as other games. The half-finished version of the feature then often attracts such criticism they often abandon it instead of finishing it, leaving behind a trail of one-off features brimming with forever-unrealized potential.

I'm hoping they'll react to feedback on this like they say they will, but I can't rest my hopes on that. I've been asking for cross-faction play for a very, very long time, but this announcement has me feeling exasperated, not excited. As someone who became content to see content later than everyone else years ago, and whose friends stopped playing forever ago, I almost don't touch instances at all anymore. I joked about an expansion announcement that limited cross-faction grouping to that expansion's content, but honestly right now I'm hoping to see an expansion announcement that promises expanded cross-faction features only within that expansion's content, because it's still more than this and would give me real hope of them expanding the feature across the board.

I’m like 99% sure the Guild stuff will occur in the 10.0 prepatch

[huth]

I wouldn't say both of todays announcements were completely positive. The first one continues the WoW Token enterprise but in a hush hush manner while continuing the selling of Gold for Real Life Currencies of which you can buy 400 USD/Euro each week.

The second one is in-dev and first iteration of the system which if left in its current state is not going to be a solution at all for the issue and if this announcement is all there is to the Cross Faction System it doesn't resolve everything that the Alliance faction is going through. They need to iterate on the System.

I'm not sure what you're expecting on the former. There is only so much Blizzard is legally able to do. They'll never be able to fully stop this.

On the latter, Ion did say they start with the most restrictive version because this is one of those genie bottles. Once they open it, they can't put it back again. So they have to start small. If they overshoot, they're stuck with it. There's also a clear technical aspect, with them starting off with those parts of the game that have relatively little faction based mechanics.

[Archmage Xaxxas]

If something like this applies for Torghast/Islands style content, one could wonder if 10.0's equivalent feature could be another reason for this to happen now?

I'd love to see some sort of CFP there, and maybe the theme of their idea benefits more from all adventurers delving into it together if they want.

[Catastrophy349]

I'm curious what everyone thinks: Will we get any more Warcraft related news this week? Or perhaps next week? Both? Today's news was certainly interesting; however, do we think that is it?

[bagina]

I'm curious what everyone thinks: Will we get any more Warcraft related news this week? Or perhaps next week? Both? Today's news was certainly interesting; however, do we think that is it?

I'm thinking yeah, they built up a nice momentum with those announcements. Why not top it off with something even bigger.

[Revamp Man]

Blizz: we are giving you cross faction premade groups for instances

Players: IM FORCED TO PLAY CROSS FACTION!!!

Not a joke I’ve seen this response too many times and it’s reminding me about the flex raiding announcement

It’s a great change that takes care of the feeling of being forced to play horde if you want to be competitive and unlike the “feeling forced to swap covenants for every boss” this is actually a real issue and the solution doesn’t really have a downside so far

[Alanar]

I’m like 99% sure the Guild stuff will occur in the 10.0 prepatch

I agree, this first itteration is more like, lets see what the response is. If good bam guild and other options coming for 10.0 It's so obvious at this point.

I never cared so much for cross faction, but if this helps with q's and all sorts of group play then sure w/e. I dropped the faction pride a long time ago.. but will still play horde cus thats where I started in 2004. I wouldn't mind as long as it helps and makes character portraits with blue or red to maintain that sense, but now you just have the option to deal around abit with the other faction just for your own benefit kind of thing. It doesn't sound bad at all like that.

I don't see it happen persee, but if it ends up on a much broader scale like we think will happen, I would like some kind of story or explanation how this works lorewise. Could be done in multiple ways, either subtle, an outlaw system or just rep idk.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

If something like this applies for Torghast/Islands style content, one could wonder if 10.0's equivalent feature could be another reason for this to happen now?

I'd love to see some sort of CFP there, and maybe the theme of their idea benefits more from all adventurers delving into it together if they want.

I guess you could look at it and say more evidence of a major world revamp. 1-60 redesigned around Cross-Faction play.

[Revamp Man]

I wouldn't say both of todays announcements were completely positive. The first one continues the WoW Token enterprise but in a hush hush manner (with obvious workarounds for those who want to try) while continuing the selling of Gold for Real Life Currencies of which you can buy 400 USD/Euro each week.

The second one is in-dev and first iteration of the system which if left in its current state is not going to be a solution at all for the issue and if this announcement is all there is to the Cross Faction System it doesn't resolve everything that the Alliance faction is going through. They need to iterate on the System.


The positive I take away from this is they are active and they also want to announce in-dev stuff which gives hope to some great future announcements.

It lets me find more pugs
That solves the issue

[Graden]

Blizz: we are giving you cross faction premade groups for instances

Players: IM FORCED TO PLAY CROSS FACTION!!!

Not a joke I’ve seen this response too many times and it’s reminding me about the flex raiding announcement

It’s a great change that takes care of the feeling of being forced to play horde if you want to be competitive and unlike the “feeling forced to swap covenants for every boss” this is actually a real issue and the solution doesn’t really have a downside so far

I was arguing with a guy I know earlier because, according to him, ''this will utterly destroy immersion and RP in this game''.

[bruxx]

I was arguing with a guy I know earlier because, according to him, ''this will utterly destroy immersion and RP in this game''.

...RP is what you make of it lol

[Catastrophy349]

I'm thinking yeah, they built up a nice momentum with those announcements. Why not top it off with something even bigger.

Two ways of thinking about it (IMO): 1). It is only Monday. The fact that they made these two announcements at the start of the week certainly gives room for more news throughout (or at-least one other day of the week) the rest of the week. OR 2). They will drip feed us Warcraft related news little by little over the next few weeks ("coming weeks" as Ybarra said).

Guess we'll see. February 1 is tomorrow (a Tuesday) and we still have Diablo/Overwatch news ahead of us as well. We're also waiting for the 9.2 date, too.

[Revamp Man]

I was arguing with a guy I know earlier because, according to him, ''this will utterly destroy immersion and RP in this game''.

I guess if they RP in instances

[huth]

I was arguing with a guy I know earlier because, according to him, ''this will utterly destroy immersion and RP in this game''.

Because Horde and Alliance characters would never, ever, under any circumstances, work together? Except when they do.

[Catastrophy349]

GW2 release date/trailer got leaked early. Feb 28 release date. Now, let's see if WoW follows suit with 9.2 date haha.

Furthermore, loving all of the games coming out in February (whether you like them or not). Even ESO had their announcement last Thursday! HYPE 2022!

[Kohtra]

I think new pvp content is basically dead long term with cross faction. Maybe 10.0 will get something, but long term we aren't going to get new BGs or world pvp content. No way can they justify dev resources devoted to it when it doesn't make any kind of lore sense anymore.

[bagina]

I was arguing with a guy I know earlier because, according to him, ''this will utterly destroy immersion and RP in this game''.

If anything it enhances the RP potential. It's more authentic that way. Different races cooperate all the time in lore. Why would a random vulpera be against working with a night elf, and so on... Why should peaceful path not be allowed?

[huth]

If anything it enhances the RP potential. It's more authentic that way. Different races cooperate all the time in lore. Why would a random vulpera be against working with a night elf, and so on... Why should peaceful path not be allowed?

Because 40 years of in-lore time ago the Orcs attacked the Humans. Or something. No, i don't know why Vulpera and Night Elves would care about that, either.