Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Kohtra]

Because 40 years of in-lore time ago the Orcs attacked the Humans. Or something. No, i don't know why Vulpera and Night Elves would care about that, either.

Uhhhh, Night Elves have been attacked multiple times by orcs since Warcraft 3...

[Graden]

Because 40 years of in-lore time ago the Orcs attacked the Humans. Or something. No, i don't know why Vulpera and Night Elves would care about that, either.

Exactly. Seriously, most of the complainers are being hilariously dramatic considering they can just ignore the new feature (which is only for instanced content) if they so choose.

[Jokubas]

Because Horde and Alliance characters would never, ever, under any circumstances, work together? Except when they do.

Yeah, that's one of the reasons it's driven me nuts in how long it's taken for Blizzard to do this.

The Horde and Alliance have been working together on and off since Warcraft III. As far as I'm concerned, that's the most compelling reason to make it a feature in game.

I really just don't know what to say to someone who says we shouldn't be able to work together because of the story, when we've been blatantly working together on and off on a regular basis. That's one of the things that's made it stick out so much that the players couldn't do it, because the canonical characters do it all the time.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Uhhhh, Night Elves have been attacked multiple times by orcs since Warcraft 3...

Yes.

Orcs.

[Kohtra]

Yes.

Orcs.

So Night Elves are not going to be happy with allies of orcs. Seems pretty reasonable.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

So Night Elves are not going to be happy with allies of orcs. Seems pretty reasonable.

That they made long after any hostile actions between the Alliance and Horde.

[Ersula]

So Night Elves are not going to be happy with allies of orcs. Seems pretty reasonable.

I would kindly ask everyone who thinks cross-faction is going to lead to "roleplay racism" to go outside & touch grass. Even if pvp & raiders took rp seriously that's not the same thing as "toxicity"

[huth]

Yeah, that's one of the reasons it's driven me nuts in how long it's taken for Blizzard to do this.

The Horde and Alliance have been working together on and off since Warcraft III. As far as I'm concerned, that's the most compelling reason to make it a feature in game.

I really just don't know what to say to someone who says we shouldn't be able to work together because of the story, when we've been blatantly working together on and off on a regular basis. That's one of the things that's made it stick out so much that the players couldn't do it, because the canonical characters do it all the time.

Even Blizzard acknowledged this in the blog. So at this point it's pretty much just people who don't want to because they don't want to and therefore neither should you be able to.

[Kohtra]

That they made long after any hostile actions between the Alliance and Horde.

These new allies joined right after Teldrassil was burned. I would assume the worst of anyone joining up with my enemies after they burned my home.

[Palapop]

I think new pvp content is basically dead long term with cross faction. Maybe 10.0 will get something, but long term we aren't going to get new BGs or world pvp content. No way can they justify dev resources devoted to it when it doesn't make any kind of lore sense anymore.

what makes you think so?
noraml (random) bgs still work the same way.

this cross-faction gameplay applies only to nor/hc/mythic raid, m+, arena/rbg.

pvp content is more than important.

And this makes pugging A LOT easier and funnier! big kudos!

[Kohtra]

what makes you think so?
noraml (random) bgs still work the same way.

this cross-faction gameplay applies only to nor/hc/mythic raid, m+, arena/rbg.

pvp content is more than important.

And this makes pugging A LOT easier and funnier! big kudos!

Blizzard's standard operating procedure is to develop content that makes sense with what's happening in-game. New BGs and PvP content generally only get developed when faction tensions are a thing. That's why we've only had 1 new BG/pvp zone since WoD. Seething Shore during the BfA prepatch was the last big pvp content update.

With faction cooperation being further built into the game there is no way they are going back to some kind of faction tension.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Blizzard's standard operating procedure is to develop content that makes sense with what's happening in-game. New BGs and PvP content generally only get developed when faction tensions are a thing. That's why we've only had 1 new BG/pvp zone since WoD. Seething Shore during the BfA prepatch was the last big pvp content update.

With faction cooperation being further built into the game there is no way they are going back to some kind of faction tension.

Awfully presumptious of you to think there won't be tension at all. It just won't be BFA levels of rage.

[Kohtra]

Awfully presumptious of you to think there won't be tension at all. It just won't be BFA levels of rage.

Just listen to everyone here. It's all about how factions have been working together since Warcraft 3 and it's time to end the divide. The community is asking for something that makes faction tensions impossible in the long term.

[Catastrophy349]

Can we go back to discussing 10.0? I'm curious what people want to see in terms of zones/continent, systems, class design (new class?), etc.

Personally, the concept of Dragon Isles, and more specifically, them being floating islands in the sky sounds awesome. Definitely would like a new class (doesn't matter what to me). I personally don't mind grinding systems (it's an MMORPG). What I don't like is when we have 4-6 systems that are all essentially required (cough...cough...Shadowlands) in order to play the game and be efficient.

[huth]

Just listen to everyone here. It's all about how factions have been working together since Warcraft 3 and it's time to end the divide. The community is asking for something that makes faction tensions impossible in the long term.

Tensions are fine. But they shouldn't constantly be trying to slit each other's throat while somebody else is trying to sink the entire ship. You can have plenty of tensions without open war, as well, and they aren't necessarily always going to follow clear Alliance/Horde lines.

[Palapop]

Blizzard's standard operating procedure is to develop content that makes sense with what's happening in-game. New BGs and PvP content generally only get developed when faction tensions are a thing. That's why we've only had 1 new BG/pvp zone since WoD. Seething Shore during the BfA prepatch was the last big pvp content update.

With faction cooperation being further built into the game there is no way they are going back to some kind of faction tension.

This cross-faction gameplay has NOTHING to do with lore or game development.

It is there just to EASE life for wow players who have MANY friends in both factions. Or even to ease life for ALLIANCE playerbase which is.... close to non-existent in raid scene atm.

Faction tensions are still present to this day. Or could be even worse if lore-team decides to make it so.

But EVEN THEN- we can still have cross-faction INSTANCED gameplay.

[Teriz]

Can we go back to discussing 10.0? I'm curious what people want to see in terms of zones/continent, systems, class design (new class?), etc.

Personally, the concept of Dragon Isles, and more specifically, them being floating islands in the sky sounds awesome. Definitely would like a new class (doesn't matter what to me). I personally don't mind grinding systems (it's an MMORPG). What I don't like is when we have 4-6 systems that are all essentially required (cough...cough...Shadowlands) in order to play the game and be efficient.

If it is dragons, I would like them to take some cues from the Hearthstone expansion Descent of Dragons, and go with airships, Galakrond, and floating dragon isles.

And I definitely want to see a new class of some sort.

[Kohtra]

Tensions are fine. But they shouldn't constantly be trying to slit each other's throat while somebody else is trying to sink the entire ship. You can have plenty of tensions without open war, as well, and they aren't necessarily always going to follow clear Alliance/Horde lines.

Ok, so where have the new BGs been? Faction tensions as they stand right now obviously aren't enough to make Blizzard interested enough in developing a new BG.

[Nokster10]

Ok, so where have the new BGs been? Faction tensions as they stand right now obviously aren't enough to make Blizzard interested enough in developing a new BG.

They are releasing 2 new arenas, solo que and they hired pvp devs for future content. So you are just flat out wrong. peace

[Kohtra]

They are releasing 2 new arenas, solo que and they hired pvp devs for future content. So you are just flat out wrong. peace

I didn't say anything about arenas. I said BGs and PvP zones. I'll believe the new PvP devs are developing new content rather than doing typical balance work/new queue systems when I see it.

Just think, we just had a literal faction conflict expansion and all we got was a single new BG. It's obvious the direction Blizzard wants to move and it's away from all things related to faction tension.