Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Blizzard's standard operating procedure is to develop content that makes sense with what's happening in-game. New BGs and PvP content generally only get developed when faction tensions are a thing. That's why we've only had 1 new BG/pvp zone since WoD. Seething Shore during the BfA prepatch was the last big pvp content update.

With faction cooperation being further built into the game there is no way they are going back to some kind of faction tension.

Awfully presumptious of you to think there won't be tension at all. It just won't be BFA levels of rage.

[Kohtra]

Awfully presumptious of you to think there won't be tension at all. It just won't be BFA levels of rage.

Just listen to everyone here. It's all about how factions have been working together since Warcraft 3 and it's time to end the divide. The community is asking for something that makes faction tensions impossible in the long term.

[Catastrophy349]

Can we go back to discussing 10.0? I'm curious what people want to see in terms of zones/continent, systems, class design (new class?), etc.

Personally, the concept of Dragon Isles, and more specifically, them being floating islands in the sky sounds awesome. Definitely would like a new class (doesn't matter what to me). I personally don't mind grinding systems (it's an MMORPG). What I don't like is when we have 4-6 systems that are all essentially required (cough...cough...Shadowlands) in order to play the game and be efficient.

[huth]

Just listen to everyone here. It's all about how factions have been working together since Warcraft 3 and it's time to end the divide. The community is asking for something that makes faction tensions impossible in the long term.

Tensions are fine. But they shouldn't constantly be trying to slit each other's throat while somebody else is trying to sink the entire ship. You can have plenty of tensions without open war, as well, and they aren't necessarily always going to follow clear Alliance/Horde lines.

[Palapop]

Blizzard's standard operating procedure is to develop content that makes sense with what's happening in-game. New BGs and PvP content generally only get developed when faction tensions are a thing. That's why we've only had 1 new BG/pvp zone since WoD. Seething Shore during the BfA prepatch was the last big pvp content update.

With faction cooperation being further built into the game there is no way they are going back to some kind of faction tension.

This cross-faction gameplay has NOTHING to do with lore or game development.

It is there just to EASE life for wow players who have MANY friends in both factions. Or even to ease life for ALLIANCE playerbase which is.... close to non-existent in raid scene atm.

Faction tensions are still present to this day. Or could be even worse if lore-team decides to make it so.

But EVEN THEN- we can still have cross-faction INSTANCED gameplay.

[Teriz]

Can we go back to discussing 10.0? I'm curious what people want to see in terms of zones/continent, systems, class design (new class?), etc.

Personally, the concept of Dragon Isles, and more specifically, them being floating islands in the sky sounds awesome. Definitely would like a new class (doesn't matter what to me). I personally don't mind grinding systems (it's an MMORPG). What I don't like is when we have 4-6 systems that are all essentially required (cough...cough...Shadowlands) in order to play the game and be efficient.

If it is dragons, I would like them to take some cues from the Hearthstone expansion Descent of Dragons, and go with airships, Galakrond, and floating dragon isles.

And I definitely want to see a new class of some sort.

[Kohtra]

Tensions are fine. But they shouldn't constantly be trying to slit each other's throat while somebody else is trying to sink the entire ship. You can have plenty of tensions without open war, as well, and they aren't necessarily always going to follow clear Alliance/Horde lines.

Ok, so where have the new BGs been? Faction tensions as they stand right now obviously aren't enough to make Blizzard interested enough in developing a new BG.

[Nokster10]

Ok, so where have the new BGs been? Faction tensions as they stand right now obviously aren't enough to make Blizzard interested enough in developing a new BG.

They are releasing 2 new arenas, solo que and they hired pvp devs for future content. So you are just flat out wrong. peace

[Kohtra]

They are releasing 2 new arenas, solo que and they hired pvp devs for future content. So you are just flat out wrong. peace

I didn't say anything about arenas. I said BGs and PvP zones. I'll believe the new PvP devs are developing new content rather than doing typical balance work/new queue systems when I see it.

Just think, we just had a literal faction conflict expansion and all we got was a single new BG. It's obvious the direction Blizzard wants to move and it's away from all things related to faction tension.

[huth]

Ok, so where have the new BGs been? Faction tensions as they stand right now obviously aren't enough to make Blizzard interested enough in developing a new BG.

You only need two opposed factions for that, though. And with Cross-Faction PvP, you don't even need them to be Horde and Alliance aligned anymore. So if anything, this should make it easier for them to make new BGs.

I think the far bigger issue is that there aren't that many options for workable mechanics and they don't like doing reruns much.

[Nokster10]

I didn't say anything about arenas. I said BGs and PvP zones. I'll believe the new PvP devs are developing new content rather than doing typical balance work/new queue systems when I see it.

Just think, we just had a literal faction conflict expansion and all we got was a single new BG. It's obvious the direction Blizzard wants to move and it's away from all things related to faction tension.

You said bgs and pvp CONTENT. arenas and soloq are pvp content. Again, you were wrong.

Also, you have no idea if any bgs are in the works or not.

[Kohtra]

You only need two opposed factions for that, though. And with Cross-Faction PvP, you don't even need them to be Horde and Alliance aligned anymore. So if anything, this should make it easier for them to make new BGs.

I think the far bigger issue is that there aren't that many options for workable mechanics and they don't like doing reruns much.

I'll believe it when I see it. We've had 1 BG since WoD, and we're moving away from faction tensions. This is not a good sign for the development of PvP content.

You said bgs and pvp CONTENT. arenas and soloq are pvp content. Again, you were wrong.

Also, you have no idea if any bgs are in the works or not.

My apologies, I should have said arenas excluded. Please forgive me, oh lord.

[Nokster10]

I'll believe it when I see it. We've had 1 BG since WoD, and we're moving away from faction tensions. This is not a good sign for the development of PvP content.


My apologies, I should have said arenas excluded. Please forgive me, oh lord.

Yea well arenas are the main pvp content, so why would you exclude them?

[huth]

I'll believe it when I see it. We've had 1 BG since WoD, and we're moving away from faction tensions. This is not a good sign for the development of PvP content.


My apologies, I should have said arenas excluded. Please forgive me, oh lord.

And as i just said that likely has far more to do with them not having had any good working ideas for new BGs, and very little with the story.

Some of the BGs barely even make sense storywise. Like the whole minecart deal or the mogu temple.

[Kohtra]

Yea well arenas are the main pvp content, so why would you exclude them?

Because I'm excluding content that has nothing to do with faction tensions. Larger scaled pvp revolves around faction tension.

[huth]

Because I'm excluding content that has nothing to do with faction tensions. Larger scaled pvp revolves around faction tension.

Most BGs have nothing to do with the HvA conflict.

[Nokster10]

Because I'm excluding content that has nothing to do with faction tensions. Larger scaled pvp revolves around faction tension.

But arenas were faction locked just like bgs and you could already queue vs your own faction in bgs just like arenas. None of them had anythign to do with faction wars already.

[Kohtra]

But arenas were faction locked just like bgs and you could already queue vs your own faction in bgs just like arenas. None of them had anythign to do with faction wars already.

Look, you guys can argue with me all you want. I'm just saying I do not foresee Blizzard bothering with BGs and world PvP zones long term anymore. Plain and simple I don't see them doing it anymore. I want to be wrong, but I just don't see them bothering to devote resources to it any more if they haven't already in the last few years.

[Catastrophy349]

10.0 HYPE! Keep it positive

[Ersula]

Because I'm excluding content that has nothing to do with faction tensions. Larger scaled pvp revolves around faction tension.

So what they're doing is making that a matter of personal choice. The Horde & Alliance conflict will still exist, but just like theres only a percentage of players who care about PVP, you get to decide if the character you play as cares about the horde/alliance conflict.

If they clearly weren't getting rid of the faction war entirely when Anduin & Baine were having gd sleepovers at the end of BFA, they aren't getting rid of it now.