Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Dwarfbeater]

Towellie, not Ybarra.

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I mean, he's fought with MMO-Champion users about his fake predictions before.

ahh, my mistake, Sorry

[KOUNTERPARTS]

I remember reading in this thread (can't remember the page) that somebody said Blizzard would not announce the next expansion before the final content patch of the current expansion is at the end of it's life cycle. Blizzard wouldn't want to divert attention away from 9.2 or so the reason was explained.


They did this already though. They announced Mists of Pandaria at BlizzCon before the Dragon Soul raid patch came out (or when the patch already went live) so at least there is a precedent there.

[Dracullus]

They did this already though. They announced Mists of Pandaria at BlizzCon before the Dragon Soul raid patch came out (or when the patch already went live) so at least there is a precedent there.

And for 1000th time, this time there is no Blizzcon and they can pick any date. I understand people thinking reveal will be before 9.2 few months ago, but now, when patch is ~3 weeks away? C'mon.

[AngerFork]

I remember reading in this thread (can't remember the page) that somebody said Blizzard would not announce the next expansion before the final content patch of the current expansion is at the end of it's life cycle. Blizzard wouldn't want to divert attention away from 9.2 or so the reason was explained.


They did this already though. They announced Mists of Pandaria at BlizzCon before the Dragon Soul raid patch came out (or when the patch already went live) so at least there is a precedent there.

They did, but you have to remember that this was before the era where the end of the current expansion led into the new one, which started with the MoP -> WoD transition. Nothing that happened in Dragon Soul or 4.3 gave away anything about MoP coming up, so there really wasn't any story to ruin. Since then, there has been a fairly consistent hand-off of the story between expansions. Gul'dan from WoD to Legion, the sword from Legion to BfA, Sylvanas' betrayal from BfA to Shadowlands.

As for diverting attention away from 9.2, I'm pretty sure yesterday's announcement that cross-faction instances were coming in 9.2.5 has already done a great job of moving that interest away from 9.2 & towards 9.2.5 instead.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

And for 1000th time, this time there is no Blizzcon and they can pick any date. I understand people thinking reveal will be before 9.2 few months ago, but now, when patch is ~3 weeks away? C'mon.

No fucking shit there is not a BlizzCon this year and I didn't even say there would be. I said there is already a precedent of them announcing an expansion before the final patch of the current expansion.

[Dracullus]

No fucking shit there is not a BlizzCon and I didn't even say there would be. I said there is already a precedent of them announcing an expansion before the final patch of the current expansion.

Not precedent, common practice. Almost always Blizzcon happened before last piece of content was released.

[Makabreska]

Ion's interview about cross faction on the front page. And as predicted:

Ion says the team is open to expanding the feature in the future to include things like cross-faction guilds. They want to start conservatively and grow it from there.

Also:

It is unlikely they will every do an 'all-consuming faction conflict expansion again," but stick to wider ranges of perspectives on the divide through characters, such as the survivors or Teldrassil, Genn Greymane, and the Forsaken.

Lore fanatics malding af right now.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I am just disappointed they took the corporate decision of waiting till late March/Early April. Oh well, I kind of expected it with how heavy February is.

At least, we get the release date and so it feels at least a bit better to swallow.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I'm ok with cross faction but like they said humans in org is too much.

[Makabreska]

I'm ok with cross faction but like they said humans in org is too much.

Literally no one is asking for that, so no idea why they went with such extreme example. It's typical and "accidental" not getting the issue. Not holding it against them, but this quote was just unnecessary.

[Osmeric]

the phrasing is interesting to me. They're not opposed to being like "We learned our lesson and totally won't do it again" in the past but I don't think they've ever been upfront about it being purely out of stubbornness and a refusal to change. I think 10.0 might be about to do some massive changes. We'll see how it pans out but there's a lot more meat to all of this than their usual corpo speak.

Yes, I think we're going to see some changes to things that previously were dogma, and not just this particular one.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

I dunno why but the "we want to focus on a wider range of perspectives on the conflict" made me happy. It tickled that part of my brain that remembers pre-Garrosh times, when yes there were orcs and night elves fighting openly over trees, but different orcs and different night elves came together to fight the Silithid. The faction divide done right, not these all out wars and evil warchiefs.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Literally no one is asking for that, so no idea why they went with such extreme example.

So people don't get confused and assume otherwise. This middle ground they are taking IMO is the best way to handle it. If need be they can still do some "Nelves getting pissy at Orcs" but as slowpoke put, other Nelves and Orcs work to stop X threat.

Not true. I've asked for this openly on the forums, and I wasn't the only one. You should get to pick your faction, or have lots of factions. I don't want to be faction locked based on race, it's stupid.

No, the factions are fine as they are, they don't need merging or anything you suggested which is horrible.

[Kiivar86]

On the one hand, a stubborn part of me doesn't want cross faction guilds.

On the other hand, I have a vulpera alt ready to go.

So I dunno where I stand on this.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

The factions are not bullshit.

[Makabreska]

Factions are fucking dumb as hell. They've always been dumb as hell. WC3 literally ended with everyone banding together to fight off an outside force and realizing their differences dont matter as much as how similar they all are.

Ye, cool. But the orcs settled next to Ashenvale, dwarves started randomly excavating in Horde territory and ex Alliance kingdom of Lordaeron joined the other side. Not a first example of opposing factions uniting against a common enemy and then going back to conflict when said enemy is gone.

[NikolaiShade]

Literally no one is asking for that, so no idea why they went with such extreme example. It's typical and "accidental" not getting the issue. Not holding it against them, but this quote was just unnecessary.

I agree it would be extreme however it already happened in story with Anduin and other alliance leaders present at Saurfang's funeral and on the other side Baine has visited Stormwind.

Edit: I don't know, something like a diplomatic reputation allowing access to the other faction cities could be fun if done well

[AngerFork]

No, the factions are fine as they are, they don't need merging or anything you suggested which is horrible.

Why would merging or anything else suggested be horrible? Aside from "this is how it's always been," why is the concept of an Orc in Stormwind so awful? Outside of World PvP which is already a bit weird from War Mode, I don't see a good gameplay reason for it.

I wouldn't personally do that until after a revamp and/or time skip, but I'm not sure why it's specifically horrible as you state it is.

[Makabreska]

They're bullshit from both a lore and design perspective.

No they are not. Orcs and the shit they did in 1st and 2nd war was enough to fuel conflict.

[Makabreska]

I agree it would be extreme however it already happened in story with Anduin and other alliance leaders present at Saurfang's funeral and on the other side Baine has visited Stormwind.

Two examples made under very specific condition. We are talking here about humans causally strolling to Ogri each day to high-five AH vendor.