Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Makabreska]

I'm ok with cross faction but like they said humans in org is too much.

Literally no one is asking for that, so no idea why they went with such extreme example. It's typical and "accidental" not getting the issue. Not holding it against them, but this quote was just unnecessary.

[Osmeric]

the phrasing is interesting to me. They're not opposed to being like "We learned our lesson and totally won't do it again" in the past but I don't think they've ever been upfront about it being purely out of stubbornness and a refusal to change. I think 10.0 might be about to do some massive changes. We'll see how it pans out but there's a lot more meat to all of this than their usual corpo speak.

Yes, I think we're going to see some changes to things that previously were dogma, and not just this particular one.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

I dunno why but the "we want to focus on a wider range of perspectives on the conflict" made me happy. It tickled that part of my brain that remembers pre-Garrosh times, when yes there were orcs and night elves fighting openly over trees, but different orcs and different night elves came together to fight the Silithid. The faction divide done right, not these all out wars and evil warchiefs.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Literally no one is asking for that, so no idea why they went with such extreme example.

So people don't get confused and assume otherwise. This middle ground they are taking IMO is the best way to handle it. If need be they can still do some "Nelves getting pissy at Orcs" but as slowpoke put, other Nelves and Orcs work to stop X threat.

Not true. I've asked for this openly on the forums, and I wasn't the only one. You should get to pick your faction, or have lots of factions. I don't want to be faction locked based on race, it's stupid.

No, the factions are fine as they are, they don't need merging or anything you suggested which is horrible.

[Kiivar86]

On the one hand, a stubborn part of me doesn't want cross faction guilds.

On the other hand, I have a vulpera alt ready to go.

So I dunno where I stand on this.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

The factions are not bullshit.

[Makabreska]

Factions are fucking dumb as hell. They've always been dumb as hell. WC3 literally ended with everyone banding together to fight off an outside force and realizing their differences dont matter as much as how similar they all are.

Ye, cool. But the orcs settled next to Ashenvale, dwarves started randomly excavating in Horde territory and ex Alliance kingdom of Lordaeron joined the other side. Not a first example of opposing factions uniting against a common enemy and then going back to conflict when said enemy is gone.

[NikolaiShade]

Literally no one is asking for that, so no idea why they went with such extreme example. It's typical and "accidental" not getting the issue. Not holding it against them, but this quote was just unnecessary.

I agree it would be extreme however it already happened in story with Anduin and other alliance leaders present at Saurfang's funeral and on the other side Baine has visited Stormwind.

Edit: I don't know, something like a diplomatic reputation allowing access to the other faction cities could be fun if done well

[AngerFork]

No, the factions are fine as they are, they don't need merging or anything you suggested which is horrible.

Why would merging or anything else suggested be horrible? Aside from "this is how it's always been," why is the concept of an Orc in Stormwind so awful? Outside of World PvP which is already a bit weird from War Mode, I don't see a good gameplay reason for it.

I wouldn't personally do that until after a revamp and/or time skip, but I'm not sure why it's specifically horrible as you state it is.

[Makabreska]

They're bullshit from both a lore and design perspective.

No they are not. Orcs and the shit they did in 1st and 2nd war was enough to fuel conflict.

[Makabreska]

I agree it would be extreme however it already happened in story with Anduin and other alliance leaders present at Saurfang's funeral and on the other side Baine has visited Stormwind.

Two examples made under very specific condition. We are talking here about humans causally strolling to Ogri each day to high-five AH vendor.

[Testasterown]

Is there a possibility that the next expansion was already leaked?

[T-34]

Ye, let's hate them, because they happen to be less skilled at the game. These players are not the ones that turned /trade and LFG tool into a literal spamfest by hiring randoms that spam it all day every day. That is the main issue here. People don't give a flying fuck if someone wants to take a shortcut and get boosted by a guild, this is what always happened and will happen. But this entire industry with it adverts is what pisses people off.

Boosters can't force people to hire them. Boosters only exist because there is a demand for their services.
A demand driven by players that can't or won't accept their skill level.
There wouldn't be any spamming of adverts if those pathetic scrubs didn't buy boosts.

I personally don't like boosting and the advertising either,
but I am aware enough to recognize that this problem exists because of the buyers - they are the true destroyers of the game.

[FatCheeseMan]

Is there a possibility that the next expansion was already leaked?

Parts of it almost certainly have, just by virtue of someone guessing right. Although I don't imagine the entire thing has been in one of these large expansion leak posts.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Is there a possibility that the next expansion was already leaked?

No, because if the context of the Final Cinematic is attached to the next expansion no one has come close yet to a logical one and everything has been vaguery.

[Makabreska]

You mean the stuff that happened BEFORE everyone banded together to fight off Archimonde and save Azeroth? that part where there was an entire game dedicated to pointing out "Hey maybe we should just let bygones be bygones and work together."?

Ye, the same Mannoroth and Archimonde that sent orcs on a happy little rampage across Azeroth. And hey, Grom just killed Nelves demigod! If you think everyone would go "all is forgiven lol" then you don't know how people operate.

[Soulwind]

Ye, the same Mannoroth and Archimonde that sent orcs on a happy little rampage across Azeroth. And hey, Grom just killed Nelves demigod! If you think everyone would go "all is forgiven lol" then you don't know how people operate.

But, we're not talking about "everyone", we're talking about heroes and adventurers.

So it's fine that Stormwind citizens don't want to see an orc in their streets, NPCs should have factions. But players shouldn't, because they're not the norm, they're the exception. Unique individuals who save others from threats that are often caused by such prejudices, usually by working together with individuals from races that their compatriots would despise.

To clarify, I'd keep certain reputations and zones race-specific, but completely remove the link between playable races and "playable factions", to essentially destroy the latter. Orcs are not welcome in Teldrassil, but Tauren are (or, would be, if the tree hadn't burned, but you get my point).

[Makabreska]

But, we're not talking about "everyone", we're talking about heroes and adventurers.

So it's fine that Stormwind citizens don't want to see an orc in their streets, NPCs should have factions. But players shouldn't, because they're not the norm, they're the exception. Unique individuals who save others from threats that are often caused by such prejudices, usually by working together with individuals from races that their compatriots would despise.

They can be either.

[huth]

Also this part:


the phrasing is interesting to me. They're not opposed to being like "We learned our lesson and totally won't do it again" in the past but I don't think they've ever been upfront about it being purely out of stubbornness and a refusal to change. I think 10.0 might be about to do some massive changes. We'll see how it pans out but there's a lot more meat to all of this than their usual corpo speak.

An important point is also that they realise this is pretty much one-way. Once they've given the ability, there's no good way to take it away again, so they have to be careful not to open it to far because they'd be stuck with it.

[Makorus]

Factions would be fine if not every single expansion ended with "Damn, maybe us fighting is kinda stupid and we need to learn how to co-exist so we don't destroy each other." and the only reason faction war happens is idiotic plot points because you can't really make it happen organically at this point.