Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Jokubas]

So, let me ask everyone this: Outside of the theme for the next expansion, what would everyone like to see in terms of the endgame/progression? In Legion we had Artifact Weapons and the traits that were linked to them. In BFA we had Azerite Necklace and the Azerite Armor linked to those. In SL we had Covenants with Renown progression, Soulbinds/conduits, etc. So, 10.0 what do we want?

Good question.

For me personally I never really focus so much on the endgame so there are a lot of things I'd be okay with so as long as the other things I care about are there.

I liked the Legion Artifacts the most though. The lore for every class and strong existing history for many artifacts really had me engaged, and the progression was balanced so that throughout the entire expansion I looked forward to rares and chests even if they had nothing in them but artifact power. I didn't mind some of the ways the Azerite equipment was handled in Battle for Azeroth either though, I just wish it had the story engagement of the artifacts. By comparison, I don't like the Renown progression at all. I can imagine worse, I like that it's straightforward and has decent catch-up now, but it also makes the whole thing feel super mechanical.

[rainhard]

Hoping we get a music build that could perhaps have music for the next xpac similar to bolvar or was that added in 8.3.5?

[TheFirstOnes]

Hoping we get a music build that could perhaps have music for the next xpac similar to bolvar or was that added in 8.3.5?

I think that was for 8.3? Idk tho...

Also, ngl. I do think we'll get our Music build today.

[Catastrophy349]

Good question.

For me personally I never really focus so much on the endgame so there are a lot of things I'd be okay with so as long as the other things I care about are there.

I liked the Legion Artifacts the most though. The lore for every class and strong existing history for many artifacts really had me engaged, and the progression was balanced so that throughout the entire expansion I looked forward to rares and chests even if they had nothing in them but artifact power. I didn't mind some of the ways the Azerite equipment was handled in Battle for Azeroth either though, I just wish it had the story engagement of the artifacts. By comparison, I don't like the Renown progression at all. I can imagine worse, I like that it's straightforward and has decent catch-up now, but it also makes the whole thing feel super mechanical.

Something I liked from Legion: Class Halls and the Artifact Weapons/appearances/storylines that came with them.
Something I liked from SL: Covenants since we got 4 different storylines, again, that I could do on multiple toons (since swapping wasn't realistic at launch)

Something I would like to see in 10.0: The ability to have new content on my alts more similar to Legion. I don't really like re-doing the same content on different toons with the only reason difference being the gameplay (different class, abilities, role, etc.). I'm not saying I need to have 12 classes of content like Legion but at-least something that will have longevity, flavor, and keep me playing!

[Baedril]

So, let me ask everyone this: Outside of the theme for the next expansion, what would everyone like to see in terms of the endgame/progression? In Legion we had Artifact Weapons and the traits that were linked to them. In BFA we had Azerite Necklace and the Azerite Armor linked to those. In SL we had Covenants with Renown progression, Soulbinds/conduits, etc. So, 10.0 what do we want?

Obviously less systems. However, what would you like instead (or in place of several systems)? Choose a dragonflight (leak idea)? Dragon Halls (like class halls)? Restore Azeroth (abilities, talents, etc.)? Add what you would like to see!

Outside of it obviously needing another AP abbreviation to keep up with theme so far, I liked Legion the most out of the three. Having a weapon that was like, a very clear visual thing I was progressing and gaining appearances for was really cool. Most of all, however, I'd like to be able to PvP again without having to do all the systems like the MoP/WoD glory days, but sadly I don't think we'll ever go back to the days of legendaries being disabled in PvP.

As for leak ideas, I love the idea of class themes. Imagine being able to change your ability effects etc, that'd be a super visual cool thing! The one consideration is obviously the visual identity of spells, it'll be hard to keep track of what spell is what when they all have 5 appearances but forgetting that it'd be very cool anyway to have say, sun themed spells on a Tauren paladin, or transform my monk's mistweaver abilities into red crane-styled stuff.

Something I would like to see in 10.0: The ability to have new content on my alts more similar to Legion. I don't really like re-doing the same content on different toons with the only reason difference being the gameplay (different class, abilities, role, etc.). I'm not saying I need to have 12 classes of content like Legion but at-least something that will have longevity, flavor, and keep me playing!

I feel this, I play for content more-so than story and having to re-do the Necrolord campaign/everything on my 5th alt (PvP healers tend to be necro for some reason) just felt so boring, especially in 9.0. At least I don't have to re-do Korthia every time now.

[Revamp Man]

Oh you motherf-

Every damn time.

I bring laughter

[Dracullus]

Don't forget today build doesn't exclude tomorrow annoucement + release build. Still I don't expect it this week though.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Obviously the Dragon Isles have been a HOT idea for many expansions now. However, all jokes/fake leaks aside, do we REALLY think the next expansion will be the Dragon Isles? I'm just curious what everyone thinks.

I've always liked the name/idea of the Dragon Isles, for sure. Not sure if I want them to be an entire expansion (like continent) though. Maybe a 10.1/10.2 zone we visit?

I always get excited for ANY/ALL new WoW expansions. Hasn't been a single one I have NOT been excited for. So, what do we think? I'm ready for anything!

Way I see it, it's Dragon Isles or they lied about a grounded expansion and it's Lifelands.

There's nothing else left.

[huth]

What does this mean? It's just a picture of a fake old leak from 2015?

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Nevermind! Tis a joke! hahaha

Found the new guy. Anybody remember where we left the rope after last time?

[Veya30]

Way I see it, it's Dragon Isles or they lied about a grounded expansion and it's Lifelands.

There's nothing else left.

Lifelands? Isn't it Gardens of Life?

[Raetary]

Lifelands? Isn't it Gardens of Life?

Yes.

The Gardens are the Lifelands.
Just liek Pandaria is Pandaland.

[Catastrophy349]

Way I see it, it's Dragon Isles or they lied about a grounded expansion and it's Lifelands.

There's nothing else left.

Yes and No. While there may only be a few places they can go from SL with the current lore/past cliffhangers, it's Blizzard. Shadowlands has shown us that they can/will retcon anything. With that being said, 10.0 onward can literally be anything they want. So, I wouldn't be set on only Dragons/Lifelands being the options.

If we get Dragon Isles, I think the idea of them being floating islands would be really cool! Not just thematically but also because it would be weird if we just miraculously ignored them on the map for so long (like some other islands/continents...hmm). Floating islands would be a great way to write it into the lore and would be interesting as hell, too!

They can retcon anything though so no matter what, GET HYPE!

[micwini]

Hopefully this build finally contains some music. Feel like we're getting close to a release date for the patch, but still no music somehow.

[Jokubas]

I guess it depends on how grounded we're talking about. I'd love an expansion that deals with mundane threats, like the balance of power shifting because with all these wars and cosmic threats finally over, people start to go their own separate ways and some drama ensues, like the Night Elves becoming their own faction again and perhaps the Forsaken following suit to become a fourth faction (like the Scourge in Warcraft III).

However, I'd be totally fine with something like Battle for Azeroth when it comes to the leveling zones. I found Kul Tiras and Zandalar to be fascinating deep dives into previously established Warcraft cultures with quests that usually didn't even have anything to do with either N'Zoth or the faction war. The fact that we go to a cosmic realm in the final raid was more a waste of that realm than it ruined the relatability of the questing.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

No need for any races to go their separate ways, people are close to the factions, no need to break that mold(bending that mold is fine though see cross factioning).

I'm not really wanting anything specifically aside from Underground expansion but thats not grounded(lol). I dunno, I just don't have a particular direction I'd "like" but I think they should do more world building to extend Warcraft's life(As in leave more threads to pull on when some close).

[Catastrophy349]

What do we want to see for the leveling experience? Linear storytelling (WoD/SL)? Choose where we go (Legion/BFA)? Something entirely different (new)? What about number of zones (does it matter)? 4 again? 5? 8? 3? Also, if Dragon Isles is floating in the air, could we get a Cataclysm leveling experience (80-85 with flying in each of the new zones)? Would people like that?

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Yes and No. While there may only be a few places they can go from SL with the current lore/past cliffhangers, it's Blizzard. Shadowlands has shown us that they can/will retcon anything. With that being said, 10.0 onward can literally be anything they want. So, I wouldn't be set on only Dragons/Lifelands being the options.

If we get Dragon Isles, I think the idea of them being floating islands would be really cool! Not just thematically but also because it would be weird if we just miraculously ignored them on the map for so long (like some other islands/continents...hmm). Floating islands would be a great way to write it into the lore and would be interesting as hell, too!

They can retcon anything though so no matter what, GET HYPE!

Blizz is remarkably willing to retcon anything, but after 18 years they're gonna have to prove to me they're willing to pull off the biggest retcon of all if they want me to believe there's anything left on Azeroth other than the Dragon Isles.

They're gonna have to give us the Dark Side of Azeroth.

[micwini]

What do we want to see for the leveling experience? Linear storytelling (WoD/SL)? Choose where we go (Legion/BFA)? Something entirely different (new)? What about number of zones (does it matter)? 4 again? 5? 8? 3? Also, if Dragon Isles is floating in the air, could we get a Cataclysm leveling experience (80-85 with flying in each of the new zones)? Would people like that?

With the amount of zones they are doing right now, linear. Leveling story in Legion and BFA was incoherent. It was slightly better in BFA because the 3 zones on both sides culminated into 1 questline. I still it lacks some oof moments. I found SL leveling better than BFA and Legion the first time around. Not so much for repeats tho. I'd like a world revamp where we use a lot more zones to level in. That makes for a bit more room so you could start in 1 zone, then do 3 in any order after, then 2 in any order after, then 1 to culminate or something. The same way as you'd have bosses in raidwings.

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Blizz is remarkably willing to retcon anything, but after 18 years they're gonna have to prove to me they're willing to pull off the biggest retcon of all if they want me to believe there's anything left on Azeroth other than the Dragon Isles.

They're gonna have to give us the Dark Side of Azeroth.

Even better: We're going to go to Azeroths moon and find out Garrosh is still alive and rebuilding the Iron Horde.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

With the amount of zones they are doing right now, linear. Leveling story in Legion and BFA was incoherent. It was slightly better in BFA because the 3 zones on both sides culminated into 1 questline. I still it lacks some oof moments. I found SL leveling better than BFA and Legion the first time around. Not so much for repeats tho. I'd like a world revamp where we use a lot more zones to level in. That makes for a bit more room so you could start in 1 zone, then do 3 in any order after, then 2 in any order after, then 1 to culminate or something. The same way as you'd have bosses in raidwings.

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Even better: We're going to go to Azeroths moon and find out Garrosh is still alive and rebuilding the Iron Horde.

Elune is in the moon!

[Catastrophy349]

[QUOTE=micwini;53579053]With the amount of zones they are doing right now, linear. Leveling story in Legion and BFA was incoherent. It was slightly better in BFA because the 3 zones on both sides culminated into 1 questline. I still it lacks some oof moments. I found SL leveling better than BFA and Legion the first time around. Not so much for repeats tho. I'd like a world revamp where we use a lot more zones to level in. That makes for a bit more room so you could start in 1 zone, then do 3 in any order after, then 2 in any order after, then 1 to culminate or something. The same way as you'd have bosses in raidwings.

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I would love to see a linear storyline. However, at the end of it, I would like to see a zone similar to Suramar that we unlock more and more over time with new stories, etc. Lots of stuff to do. A culmination of the leveling zones so to speak. The Maw sucked!