Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Chickat]

So we are less than 3 weeks from 9.2 imo. Late March 10.0 reveal? I wish it were sooner but oh well.

[Dracullus]

Nevertheless... so Taliesin was joking yesterday, I guess?

Looks like. Well, it's reason to ignore him even if he straight up tell "today we will have big wow news". At least when Towellie say to expect wow news today, it happens.

So I stick to next Thursday as date reveal. 15th would be strange date for patch anyway, it's rocket week.

[NikolaiShade]

I rly can't see blizzard doing custom druid forms for every race, when they can't even fucking update the troll ones. Let alone doing demon forms and demon customization for other races, as much as i would like a red fel orc for DH.

I do hope it happens, but i can't see happening.

sorry mate, I think you are missing the elephant in the room: gliding DH Tauren... now that's something I'd like to see

[Super Dickmann]

sorry mate, I think you are missing the elephant in the room: gliding Tauren... now that's something I'd like to see

If the tauren flight form is just a tauren flapping his arms like a chicken to stay elevated I'd be all for it.

[NikolaiShade]

If the tauren flight form is just a tauren flapping his arms like a chicken to stay elevated I'd be all for it.

I edited my post for clarity, I was referring to a fabled Demon Hunter Tauren and the unlikely gliding animation

Anyway about the being anything line of the riddle, I remembered a bit of Ion's interview about cross-faction: "Your faction is something that you are born into. It is not a choice you make. It it assigned based on race and the team wants to stray away from the idea that because you are "born an elf, you must hate trolls and nothing can change that" mentality"

Maybe all races will start neutral?

[draugril]

Yeah, people talk a good game about not caring if we get new races or classes, but when we don’t get them, you definitely feel it when a new expansion drops. Especially if you don’t get either.

The lack of a new Necromancer or Dark Ranger class in Shadowlands was very surprising, if not shocking for a lot of players.

To the point that many still haven't moved on from the denial stage. Many are still convinced that they'll be getting that Shadowlands-themed Necromancer in a forthcoming expansion, or a Dark Ranger class after the culminating chapter for Sylvanas. That's just not how Blizzard - or marketing and development in general - operates. Unified vision is the name of the game. You don't get that if you add in tentpole features after you've taken the tent down, so to speak.

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I edited my post for clarity, I was referring to a fabled Demon Hunter Tauren and the unlikely gliding animation

Anyway about the being anything line of the riddle, I remembered a bit of Ion's interview about cross-faction: "Your faction is something that you are born into. It is not a choice you make. It it assigned based on race and the team wants to stray away from the idea that because you are "born an elf, you must hate trolls and nothing can change that" mentality"

Maybe all races will start neutral?

That reads as the opposite for me. You can't choose where you start is the whole point. Orcs are Horde. Humans are Alliance. Empowering the players to make their own choices thereafter is the goal.

[Super Dickmann]

I edited my post for clarity, I was referring to a fabled Demon Hunter Tauren and the unlikely gliding animation

A shame, I liked that visual better.

Anyway about the being anything line of the riddle, I remembered a bit of Ion's interview about cross-faction: "Your faction is something that you are born into. It is not a choice you make. It it assigned based on race and the team wants to stray away from the idea that because you are "born an elf, you must hate trolls and nothing can change that" mentality"

I wouldn't put it past them. The thing with the faction business is that it's a slippery slope and while the gameplay benefits are clear, the thing he's addressing and Ion himself likely doesn't give half a shit about is foundational to the functioning of the setting. This entire line of argument inevitably leads to the point of detaching all defining characteristics that aren't purely visual from a given race because no member of a race 'has to' be anything. An elf doesn't 'have to' hate trolls, but elves don't exist, they're archetypes who have certain in-built characteristics that are part of their narrative role and the fantasy they sell. The weight that comes from an elf not disliking trolls or being say, a tinker, where as a rule elves are more attracted to the natural world or what have you is because these archetypical qualities exist. But without these qualities the only thing that separates an elf from a troll is which one is teal and has tusks. It reduces races to purely physical appearances and while it allows more variety that variety is surface level only because the core premise is that all peoples are ultimately identical where fantasy lives and breathes on not just what races are but what races aren't.

Luckily I feel loosening class restrictions is a lot less likely. Partly because unlike faction restrictions it doesn't have any direct gameplay benefit in terms of functionally upping the playerbase and secondly because Blizzard will never be arsed to make druid forms for 20+ races.

[pacotaco]

Maghar can't be locks or DHs since fel energy would turn them green, thus no longer being maghar.

They would turn red, because they would become chaos orcs. This is HS, so not canon, but it's good reference:

As for mog restrictions. I'm personally against letting you mog outside of your armor type since it compromises class identity but with anduin and thrall running around in plate I wouldn't be so surprised and might eventually grow to like it, being a huge mog buff. It just isn't might first choice.

While I in part agree with you, that can is already open since WoD:
https://es.wowhead.com/transmog-set=1800/stormwind-set
https://wow.zamimg.com/modelviewer/l.../1/9/1801.webp

Then add the heritage armor and the shop transmogs, and you already are there.
The fear Blizzard has about players running around in silly costumes, not only is baseless (if you look at other MMOs with almost no restrictions, you barely see silly costumes), but stupid, because they already made it posible.

[Syegfryed]

They would turn red, because they would become chaos orcs. This is HS, so not canon, but it's good reference:

orc corruption goes from brown->green->red.

But, to answer the guy you answered, maghar can be DH or warlocks without turning green, you don't get corrupted just by using, if you have enough will/control., otherwise every warlock would be green/red and have horns.

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I edited my post for clarity, I was referring to a fabled Demon Hunter Tauren and the unlikely gliding animation

Anyway about the being anything line of the riddle, I remembered a bit of Ion's interview about cross-faction: "Your faction is something that you are born into. It is not a choice you make. It it assigned based on race and the team wants to stray away from the idea that because you are "born an elf, you must hate trolls and nothing can change that" mentality"

Maybe all races will start neutral?

Hope not, it was a dumbass response for him,

[huth]

orc corruption goes from brown->green->red.

But, to answer the guy you answered, maghar can be DH or warlocks without turning green, you don't get corrupted just by using, if you have enough will/control., otherwise every warlock would be green/red and have horns.

Actually, the turning green was from simply being near it. Going full chaos orc requires being infused with the power, but anyorc spending extended time near Fel will turn green.

[Shadochi]

We want vague Chinese riddles, not this notepad screenshot shit

[pacotaco]

Actually, the turning green was from simply being near it. Going full chaos orc requires being infused with the power, but anyorc spending extended time near Fel will turn green.

That's why they would turn red. To become DH you have to absorb a lot of fel, to the point of start mutating and even becoming unstable and exploding.

[huth]

That's why they would turn red. To become DH you have to absorb a lot of fel, to the point of start mutating and even becoming unstable and exploding.

Either way, they'd no longer be the uncorrupted Mag'har.

[Lahis]

Food for thought: given their post-WoD experiences under Yrel's zealots, would Mag'har count Light as form of corruption?

[rainhard]

Food for thought: given their post-WoD experiences under Yrel's zealots, would Mag'har count Light as form of corruption?

The mag'har probably would consider it corruption but is it really? So far we have not seen anyone get changed from over use of light like growing glowsticks or tattoos, neither have we seen it cloud peoples judgement or make people crazy(you could say the venthyr but that seems more like the specific scar left to punish them and not the passive pressence of light). The only proccess in which the use of light seems invasive is the lightforging proccess that we do not know yet the full side effects to call it corruption, might seem like a brainwash on lothraxion but we can't be sure since he might be acting and tyralion or any other light forged does not seem overly fanatic other than the AU lightforged.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

The mag'har probably would consider it corruption but is it really? So far we have not seen anyone get changed from over use of light like growing glowsticks or tattoos, neither have we seen it cloud peoples judgement or make people crazy(you could say the venthyr but that seems more like the specific scar left to punish them and not the passive pressence of light). The only proccess in which the use of light seems invasive is the lightforging proccess that we do not know yet the full side effects to call it corruption, might seem like a brainwash on lothraxion but we can't be sure since he might be acting and tyralion or any other light forged does not seem overly fanatic other than the AU lightforged.

I wouldn't call it corruption per say.

[Vakir]

Chaos Orc DH remains the dream.

[huth]

The mag'har probably would consider it corruption but is it really? So far we have not seen anyone get changed from over use of light like growing glowsticks or tattoos, neither have we seen it cloud peoples judgement or make people crazy(you could say the venthyr but that seems more like the specific scar left to punish them and not the passive pressence of light). The only proccess in which the use of light seems invasive is the lightforging proccess that we do not know yet the full side effects to call it corruption, might seem like a brainwash on lothraxion but we can't be sure since he might be acting and tyralion or any other light forged does not seem overly fanatic other than the AU lightforged.

Because we haven't really seen many examples of extreme Light corruption yet. Most situations we've encountered, Light was the underdog. It certainly is capable of it, though. Lightbound, what Xe'ra attempted on Illidan, possibly Lothraxion... (definitely bodily, unclear on how it affected his mind)

You also have to remember what the Light is like. A Light-crazed being would be a different type of crazy than Void or Fel. The type of crazy where everybody sings praises in unison and there is no true individuality.

[Super Dickmann]

Food for thought: given their post-WoD experiences under Yrel's zealots, would Mag'har count Light as form of corruption?

They likely see it as analogous to fel, yes, since both involve surrendering your will which they put a premium on. Also explains why they're okay with the Void which is based around one's personal will as well as the whole tentacle business.

@Vakir

Orcs and draenei are the sensible DH races with ready-made representations.

[The Stormbringer]

So, what was yesterday's "big announcement" that people were hyped up for?