Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[ChairmanKaga]

As far as ARs mirroring existing races (in basic model design etc) were the only ones left the Forsaken and Worgen without a quasi-doppelganger AR?

[Darkarath]

If we go down that rabbit hole, only Nightborne, Kul Tirans and Vulpera are new races and shouldn’t be called allied races.

Zandalari Trolls, Dark Iron Dwarves, Void Elves, Highmountain Tauren and Mechagnomes are just new skins for existing races.

Nightborne come from Night Elves. Kul Tirans are just bulkier humans, they come from Vrykul too.

That leaves Vulpera as the only unrelated allied race to the ones that we know. Therefore, they are a new race. I really do not think that is that hard to understand.

[Lady Atia]

Ditto. Plus none of them are particularly compelling looking either.

I would love to play as a (winged) Kyrian!

[Alanar]

Nightborne come from Night Elves. Kul Tirans are just bulkier humans, they come from Vrykul too.

That leaves Vulpera as the only unrelated allied race to the ones that we know. Therefore, they are a new race. I really do not think that is that hard to understand.

And the stupid thing is, altho they are considered a new race with given info, they still use the goblin model therefor don't feel very new imo.

[huth]

If we go down that rabbit hole, only Nightborne, Kul Tirans and Vulpera are new races and shouldn’t be called allied races.

Zandalari Trolls, Dark Iron Dwarves, Void Elves, Highmountain Tauren and Mechagnomes are just new skins for existing races.

Eh, Zandalari have about as much to do with the other Trolls as Nightborne with Night Elves. On the other hand, Dark Iron are just a different clan, as are Highmountain, while Mechagnomes are just Gnomes with cybernetics and Void Elves are High/Blood Elves with Void corruption.
Mechagnomes are probably the most stupid out of the lot since they're basically just Gnomes anyway. It's not hard to believe any random Gnome would have done that to themself. The rest at least have a different culture.

[Ersula]

I would probably switch those, as male Zandalari troll is pretty much a new mode. Nightborne, altho I like them are just skinny made night elves with a different stance model wise.

Lore wise Nightborne are evolved so ye.. that might make it more complicated.

Yeah.... they made new animations for Zandalari troll they are shared for Kul'tirans. Probably Maghar are the ones who diverge from a base-race the least. They could, in theory, add a totally new race as an allied race if they really wanted to because the only prerec is that they be unlocked.

But the shadowlands races are clearly well within the recycled-model territory of allied races.

[Darkarath]

You're moving the goalpost so far its past the horizon at this point. You went from saying you didn't want the shadowlands races because regular races need more focus, to "actually the shadowlands races are regular races."

I do not think so. I just think that you do not want to admit what is obvious.

I still do not want allied races / races / whatever name you want to give them from the Shadowlands.

Shadowlands allied races / races / whatever name you want to give them are not related in any way to Azeroth current races (maybe some are souls from Azeroth, I will give you that), therefore, they are new races.

[Ersula]

As far as ARs mirroring existing races (in basic model design etc) were the only ones left the Forsaken and Worgen without a quasi-doppelganger AR?

Yes. Although for unplayble races that could become allied races with little effort: The transformed illithid kul-tirans use forsaken models & the saberon use worgen models.

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I do not think so. I just think that you do not want to admit what is obvious.

Okay, the shadowlands races are fundamentally unrelated to azeroth races.

A completely irrelevant observation.

[Alanar]

Yeah.... they made new animations for Zandalari troll they are shared for Kul'tirans. Probably Maghar are the ones who diverge from a base-race the least. They could, in theory, add a totally new race as an allied race if they really wanted to because the only prerec is that they be unlocked.

But the shadowlands races are clearly well within the recycled-model territory of allied races.

Yea, I mean I get the HM tauren and Maghar orc argument where it feels like they could have been just options for orcs and tauren. They kinda blurr the line a bit imo and they also felt less exciting. New stance or new animation would help with that. Nightborne feel different because they are thinner and use a different stance. They should've done more of these subtle things. They did it for female zandalari as well.

I have to give it up to the Venthyr tho.. their casting animatons, talking, walking everything is completely unique. Kyrian are female vrykul animation, necrolord has a bunch of different model, but comes down to Kul'tiran models everywhere and nightfea are either dreanei or centaur, which is the only new thing, but not really.

So just one is really unique or new in that sense modelwise.

[Darkarath]

Okay, the shadowlands races are fundamentally unrelated to azeroth races.

A completely irrelevant observation.

Therefore, they are new races that would not advance the Lore of current races like the allied races that we got, because except Vulpera, they all are related to other denizens of Azeroth and bring something to the table that IMO, could be interesting.

But bringing new races (more) when Blizzard do not develop the ones that we have in any way, I think that is bad for the game.

Hope that you understand my argument now.

[Nyel]

Nightborne come from Night Elves. Kul Tirans are just bulkier humans, they come from Vrykul too.

That leaves Vulpera as the only unrelated allied race to the ones that we know. Therefore, they are a new race. I really do not think that is that hard to understand.

Nightborne and Kul Tirans use mostly new models, that’s why I counted them next to Vulpera. The other allied races (minus male Zandalari) are just reskins and could have easily been just options in the barber shop.

I do not disagree with you, Vulpera are the only allied race that feels completely new, but there’s more to that impression and that’s why I counted other allied races as well.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Therefore, they are new races that would not advance the Lore of current races like the allied races that we got, because except Vulpera, they all are related to other denizens of Azeroth and bring something to the table that IMO, could be interesting.

Allied races don't even advance the lore of current races. I'm not sure what you are getting at here.


Blizzard advances the lore of current races by developing lore of the current races. Hell, heritage armor quests develops more lore for current races than allied races just existing.

[Darkarath]

Again, I am talking from a lore perspective, which is what I love most of this game.

Seeing all the cool races that we have left aside hurts my WoW hearth.

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Allied races don't even advance the lore of current races. I'm not sure what you are getting at here.


Blizzard advances the lore of current races by developing lore of the current races. Hell, heritage armor quests develops more lore for current races than allied races just existing.

@AngerFork explained pretty well in a recent post a few pages back. If you play any allied race, you will see that they are related with other current races and they interact a little and at least that is something.

Of course I will prefer a focus on any "old" race, but if we get something through allied races, is better than nothing.

[Vakir]

I simply do not understand the rush for so many contentious or hard to justify races when there are so many backlogged that are justifiable and have been for years but are MIA. Ogres, for one.

[Ersula]

I'd love to see Naga, Ogre or Murloc core races but as for allied races, there are so many that could be added right now with minor development: Here are the current potential allied races, unrelated to the primary shadowlands races:

Alliance

• Complete the Visions of N'zoth Legendary Questline to unlock biped Tol'vir (Worgen reskin)
• Complete the Warlords of Draenor Campaign to unlock Saberon (Worgen reskin)
• Complete the BFA War Campaign & Zarem Mortis Questline to unlock Forsaken Night Elves (Night Elf reskin)
• Complete the Paladin or Priest Order Hall campaign OR the BFA War Campaign to unlock Saa'raite Undead (Forsaken reskin)
• Complete the Stormsong Valley Questline to unlock Transformed Illithids (Forsaken reskin)
• Complete the Naz'jatar Questline to unlock Ankoan (Night Elf reskin)

Horde

• Complete the Visions of N'zoth Legendary Questline to unlock Rajanni Mogu (Draenei reskin)
• Complete the Naz'jatar Questline to unlock Gil Goblin allied race (Goblin reskin)
• Complete the BFA War Campaign & Zerem Mortis Questline to unlock Forsaken Elves (Blood Elf reskin)
• Complete the Northrend Campaign to unlock Taunka (Tauren reskin)
• Complete the Northrend Campaign to unlock Tuskaar (Pandarian reskin)
• Complete the Legion Campaign to unlock Eredar (Draenei reskin)

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Nightborne and Kul Tirans use mostly new models, that’s why I counted them next to Vulpera. The other allied races (minus male Zandalari) are just reskins and could have easily been just options in the barber shop.

And we're trying to explain to you that the Shadowlands races might be MORE unique than Void Elves & Lightforged Draenei, but they are LESS unique than Kul'tirans & Vulpera. So how is any of this relevant to the allied race conversation?

[Nyel]

And we're trying to explain to you that the Shadowlands races might be MORE unique than Void Elves & Lightforged Draenei, but they are LESS unique than Kul'tirans & Vulpera. So how is any of this relevant to the allied race conversation?

No idea as this discussion is pretty pointless and has been talked about one year ago already.

It doesn’t matter what we as players deem as better or not, more likely or not, newer or not - we don’t have a say in this.

I don’t even know why you quoted me and then responded with this answer.

[Lady Atia]

No idea as this discussion is pretty pointless and has been talked about one year ago already.

It doesn’t matter what we as players deem as better or not, more likely or not, newer or not - we don’t have a say in this.

I don’t even know why you quoted me and then responded with this answer.

To be fair, NewBlizzard seems to be listening to the community, and I'm quite sure they know that people want more allied races already (both from the Covenants and other stuff like the Nazjatar races or Mogu).

[The Stormbringer]

I'd love to see Naga, Ogre or Murloc core races but as for allied races, there are so many that could be added right now with minor development: Here are the current potential allied races, unrelated to the primary shadowlands races:

Alliance

• Complete the Visions of N'zoth Legendary Questline to unlock biped Tol'vir (Worgen reskin)
• Complete the Warlords of Draenor Campaign to unlock Saberon (Worgen reskin)
• Complete the BFA War Campaign & Zarem Mortis Questline to unlock Forsaken Night Elves (Night Elf reskin)
• Complete the Paladin or Priest Order Hall campaign OR the BFA War Campaign to unlock Saa'raite Undead (Forsaken reskin)
• Complete the Stormsong Valley Questline to unlock Transformed Illithids (Forsaken reskin)
• Complete the Naz'jatar Questline to unlock Ankoan (Night Elf reskin)

Horde

• Complete the Visions of N'zoth Legendary Questline to unlock Rajanni Mogu (Draenei reskin)
• Complete the Naz'jatar Questline to unlock Gil Goblin allied race (Goblin reskin)
• Complete the BFA War Campaign & Zerem Mortis Questline to unlock Forsaken Elves (Blood Elf reskin)
• Complete the Northrend Campaign to unlock Taunka (Tauren reskin)
• Complete the Northrend Campaign to unlock Tuskaar (Pandarian reskin)
• Complete the Legion Campaign to unlock Eredar (Draenei reskin)

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And we're trying to explain to you that the Shadowlands races might be MORE unique than Void Elves & Lightforged Draenei, but they are LESS unique than Kul'tirans & Vulpera. So how is any of this relevant to the allied race conversation?

*makes grabby hands* Gimme! I would love to see this.

[ChairmanKaga]

Yes. Although for unplayble races that could become allied races with little effort: The transformed illithid kul-tirans use forsaken models

I would love that.

[sedridor107]

One of my biggest dreams for a new wow expansion would be that they finally manage to incorporate all the continents and islands into one huge "map" (except outland, shadowlands, draenor and argus obviously). It would be very cool if you could go to silvermoon without a loading screen. Or fly from the broken isles to the maelstrom. Or fly from kultiras to eastern kingdoms. I think that would be pretty neat. Of course you would still have the option of taking portals, boats and zeppelins, but i think having the option of traveling anywhere in the open world on azeroth without loading screens would be cool. It would make the world a lot more immersive

But thats just a little wish of mine...