Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Nyel]

Let us dream. N'zoth was by far the most interesting fo the active Old Gods we ever encountered, and one of the few times where an "it was all a dream" twist would be even remotely sensible.
The ending to N'zoth was so weak and out of nowhere that any chance of salvaging it would be welcome.

Azshara is probably going to be butchered, yes. Her story already got hamstrumg by somehow having a story where we go to Nazjatar not include Tyrande. And given that we are poised for a final confrontation with Sylvanas where Tyrande is also absent despite being in extremely close proximity, I sincerely doubt that Blizzard has any intention opf actually giving her a good and coherent plotline.

Azshara was for over a decade my favorite character in Warcraft, N'zoth was my favorite villain. Both characters have been completely butchered by Blizzard (lol @ everyone who says Azshara's story wasn't butchered in BfA). I was devastasted by the bullsh*t lore in BfA and hated everything around the Azshara / N'zoth plot. The thing is, Blizzard sees the characters completely different than the players do, that's why we got two and a half expansions revolving around Sylvanas.

There's just not more to it. Blizzard brought back very huge bosses two times, Kel'thuzad in WotLK and Archimonde in BfA. Archimonde's storyline made sense, so there's that. I would love a Black Empire expansion and I would love N'zoth being alive (or at least not dead), but that would just make no sense. Who wants to have Nyalotha and N'zoth a second time, like honestly? The people who hated the N'zoth stuff lore-wise. So as much as I would hope for a return, it's foolish to think N'zoth is still plotting and we're just dreaming. Would absolutely make no sense with how Blizzard is trying to build up the Jailer (and massively failing in doing so, btw).

I mean you said it yourself, just the Tyrande x Azshara x Sylvanas stuff is so over the top dumb, it just makes no sense anymore.

[Cherry123]

last boss never tested on PTR?

[Makabreska]

last boss never tested on PTR?

That was an LFR wing.

[Shampro]

Not at all. I just meant that they may together be some kind of help against Jailer, considering they were all holders of LK title. Bolvar is here, apparently we free w/e is left of Ner'Zhul and Arthas will defo make an appearance. Some kind of setup is going on.

Yes and it's cringe, everyone knows Arthas will make some cameo or something, and i have no intention of cheering him on. I don't care for that ''fighting against the Jailor'' bs can stay in fanfics. And Ner'zhul is perma dead we killed his last remnant.

[Makabreska]

Yes and it's cringe, everyone knows Arthas will make some cameo or something, and i have no intention of cheering him on. I don't care for that ''fighting against the Jailor'' bs can stay in fanfics. And Ner'zhul is perma dead we killed his last remnant.

I guess then WoW is perma cringe, because Aspects helped us against Deathwing, Khadgar + Yrel + Grom against Archimonde, Pantheon against Argus etc.

[TheFirstOnes]

To think that N'Zoth is gone is foolish.

Refer to this thread for the truth: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...underestimated

For the love of god, stop!

[Pheraz]

Azshara was for over a decade my favorite character in Warcraft, N'zoth was my favorite villain. Both characters have been completely butchered by Blizzard (lol @ everyone who says Azshara's story wasn't butchered in BfA). I was devastasted by the bullsh*t lore in BfA and hated everything around the Azshara / N'zoth plot. The thing is, Blizzard sees the characters completely different than the players do, that's why we got two and a half expansions revolving around Sylvanas.

There's just not more to it. Blizzard brought back very huge bosses two times, Kel'thuzad in WotLK and Archimonde in BfA. Archimonde's storyline made sense, so there's that. I would love a Black Empire expansion and I would love N'zoth being alive (or at least not dead), but that would just make no sense. Who wants to have Nyalotha and N'zoth a second time, like honestly? The people who hated the N'zoth stuff lore-wise. So as much as I would hope for a return, it's foolish to think N'zoth is still plotting and we're just dreaming. Would absolutely make no sense with how Blizzard is trying to build up the Jailer (and massively failing in doing so, btw).

I mean you said it yourself, just the Tyrande x Azshara x Sylvanas stuff is so over the top dumb, it just makes no sense anymore.

Yes and no. Sylvanas is just... too much. Ofc
But Tyrande and Azshara got more than one quiet cool occurences in the game. I am a biiiig night elf fan, but I must admit that elves in general get most of the screen time. Closely followed by orcs. But you know... what should fans of other races say?
Yeah it could have been better no question. Still the Azshara patch was very good imo, including the raid, the zone, the WQs even, the nice warbringer video, the whole zone was spot on. Don't know. What was soooo bad about Azsharas big "coming out"? She was also present before in dungeons and zones

[Kereberus]

100% not happening, but still funny people are making "leaks"

[TheFirstOnes]

LOTS OF NEW LORE:

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@Nyel

Ahaha! PANTHEON OF LIFE LET'S GOOOO!!!!

[Sondrelk]

100% not happening, but still funny people are making "leaks"

[IMG]

Well i've certainly seen worse leaks. Definitely not onboard with a Sylvanas redemption arc or that Blizzard would willingly cripple themselves by intentionally having one less major patch like WoD, but otherwise not too bad as a concept.

The 10.0 leak is definitely the most interesting though, the idea of playing a dungeon as the NPCs have always seemed like a fun idea, and potentially using old dungeons against invading Lightbound is a nice touch.


Hopefully we get more fun leaks in the future. It's always interesting to read what people think will happen and compare the general consensus that seems to form over time, especially if you have several competing ones like 9.0 leaks not managing to decide on whether Dragons or Shadowlands was more likely.

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LOTS OF NEW LORE: [IMG]

Ahaha! PANTHEON OF LIFE LET'S GOOOO!!!!

Fascinating stuff. Though the bit about Maldraxxus does make me wonder why it doesnt look more diverse, honestly. I get the idea that the reason it is made from living flesh is to facilitate it changing quickly for training, but it would seem like one would still want more distinct terrain types.

I guess that definitely confirms that Elune is a part of the Pantheon of life, if indeed the PTR is correct in naming Elune the Winter Queen's sister.

[Varodoc]

Let us dream. N'zoth was by far the most interesting fo the active Old Gods we ever encountered, and one of the few times where an "it was all a dream" twist would be even remotely sensible.
The ending to N'zoth was so weak and out of nowhere that any chance of salvaging it would be welcome.

Azshara is probably going to be butchered, yes. Her story already got hamstrumg by somehow having a story where we go to Nazjatar not include Tyrande. And given that we are poised for a final confrontation with Sylvanas where Tyrande is also absent despite being in extremely close proximity, I sincerely doubt that Blizzard has any intention opf actually giving her a good and coherent plotline.

I don't know why people here are so averse to the idea of theorycrafting/speculation, but it is absolutely valid to speculate that N'Zoth is still active. Danuser even remained vague about N'Zoth's fate/status.

[Makabreska]

I don't know why people here are so averse to the idea of theorycrafting/speculation, but it is absolutely valid to speculate that N'Zoth is still active. Danuser even remained vague about N'Zoth's fate/status.

Because you present your speculations as THE TRUTH.

[Varodoc]

Because you present your speculations as THE TRUTH.

I'm free to speculate and present as truth whatever I want. If you disagree with me that's fine, but you don't have the right to tell me that I can't speculate about N'Zoth.

So Yeah, N'Zoth is obviously still active.

[Makabreska]

I'm free to speculate and present as truth whatever I want. If you disagree with me that's fine, but you don't have the right to tell me that I can't speculate about N'Zoth.

So Yeah, N'Zoth is obviously still active.

No, I can freely point out your Void fetish, though.

[Varodoc]

No, I can freely point out your Void fetish, though.

If you've genuinely got nothing better to do in your free time then sure, go ahead.

[Makabreska]

If you've genuinely got nothing better to do in your free time then sure, go ahead.

Oh it's just pure pleasure to point out fixations and obsessions.

[TheFirstOnes]

Well i've certainly seen worse leaks. Definitely not onboard with a Sylvanas redemption arc or that Blizzard would willingly cripple themselves by intentionally having one less major patch like WoD, but otherwise not too bad as a concept.

The 10.0 leak is definitely the most interesting though, the idea of playing a dungeon as the NPCs have always seemed like a fun idea, and potentially using old dungeons against invading Lightbound is a nice touch.


Hopefully we get more fun leaks in the future. It's always interesting to read what people think will happen and compare the general consensus that seems to form over time, especially if you have several competing ones like 9.0 leaks not managing to decide on whether Dragons or Shadowlands was more likely.

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Fascinating stuff. Though the bit about Maldraxxus does make me wonder why it doesnt look more diverse, honestly. I get the idea that the reason it is made from living flesh is to facilitate it changing quickly for training, but it would seem like one would still want more distinct terrain types.

I guess that definitely confirms that Elune is a part of the Pantheon of life, if indeed the PTR is correct in naming Elune the Winter Queen's sister.

I've been saying Life and Death will team against the Jailer next patch, yet no one listened to me.

[Sondrelk]

I've been saying Life and Death will team against the Jailer next patch, yet no one listened to me.

Life and Death teaming up can mean so many different things though. Technically Life and Death already has teamed up when we joined the covenants to help fight the Jailer.

I am curious whether we will see the realm of Life though. I would have assume it would be a return to the Emerald Dream, but its hard to say considering it would just be a patch.

[TheFirstOnes]

Life and Death teaming up can mean so many different things though. Technically Life and Death already has teamed up when we joined the covenants to help fight the Jailer.

I am curious whether we will see the realm of Life though. I would have assume it would be a return to the Emerald Dream, but its hard to say considering it would just be a patch.

I mean, considering the stuff with Elune and the WQ, exploring the Gardens of Life more and having the WQ and Elune team against the Jailer, as well as the Pantheon's of Death and Life teaming together against him would be perfect imo. They team up with the Players against the Jailer, the Players slay the Jailer with the power of Azeroth and the First Ones, then things go from there.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Those new lore bits are fascinating. I really hope we get to know more about the Gardens of Life too!