Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Ersula]

So going by that logic, we can have no new landmasses ever.

You could also go "well the globes in Titan facilities should've shown future landmasses" and well, here we are now.

Except a globe is a globe. This is the real actual Azeroth. And the titans are demonstrably dirty liars.

They designed it at the point where they would already know if there was a new landmass coming & they could have given us the courtesy of clouds or obscuring part of the map but no. That tells me its deliberately not a new landmass next expansion.

[Hitei]

I am so lost as to what we are arguing about.

People are arguing that, for some reason getting a globe that doesn't have any new continents means that we won't get any more new continents, despite every other globe without new continents we've gotten not stopping us from getting them.

[Ersula]

I didn't realize the physical planet was made out of glowy blue lines and oceans of solid black.

This is how a Constellar sees it. Or even demonstrably, our planet at night.

[Hitei]

This is how a Constellar see it.

So not the physical planet.

[Ersula]

Y'all do realize the First Ones OR the Titans through the will of the First Ones (Knowingly or unknowing, the Titans still are children of the Progenitors of the Cosmos) could've just hidden the Dragon Isles for a rather GOOD fucking reason, yeah? 2-3 whole facilities still exist...one of which hasn't a name yet.

That's a pretty giant asspull of a maybe. But why is everyone else allowed to infer insane bullshit from assets but I'm not?

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So not the physical planet.

[Hitei]

Or even demonstrably, our planet at night.

Not sure why you'd post a picture demonstrating exactly why you're wrong.

[Marlamin]

Except a globe is a globe. This is the real actual Azeroth. And the titans are demonstrably dirty liars.

They designed it at the point where they would already know if there was a new landmass coming & they could have given us the courtesy of clouds or obscuring part of the map but no. That tells me its deliberately not a new landmass next expansion.

Yeah, no. The "they already know about future content so why not show it on the map" argument went out of the window long ago.

Any sort of globe/map/planet art should be treated as non-canonical, regardless of how upset this makes anyone (and I know it annoys me, which is why I made the video of Metzen above). There is simply no way to deal with that properly, both in and outside of the game as you don't know what content you're going to be adding in the future, or, when you do know, you won't specifically call it out before announcing the thing as that would just be shooting yourself in the foot if for whatever reason you end up changing something or even worse removing something (Hi Farahlon, Thal'Dranath!).

And by the "they already know" logic, Kul Tiras, Zandalar and not to mention even older content, should have been on the Azeroth planet in the Argus skybox, yet they weren't even though they were definitely far enough in development to do that. The swirly cloud thing they did for that didn't really hide those spots either, so they just don't care about keeping maps accurate, because they can't.

Hell, Gilneas, Twilight Highlands and the entirety of Quel'Thalas are missing on that planet. They don't care.

[Archmage Xaxxas]

Except we've only seen maps or globes of the planet:

Did you forget we went to Argus and were staring at THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL PLANET for months? and then if you go to the Vindicaar you can get that great view of it as long as you want.



The 9.2 projection is NOWHERE CLOSE to being as 'the physical planet herself' comparatively to Argus' view.

You're not allowed to make asspulls anymore than the next person.

[Syegfryed]

Of course they will not show any new continents now, wtf

If they don't have ayting on mind they can put later, or, to obliviously, not give any spoiler.

Even if they came public to say there is no new landmass, they can just retcon it.

[Catastrophy349]

https://twitter.com/Qwik/status/1491...dmAZfAQ5DVqhag Have fun with this one

[Marlamin]

https://twitter.com/Qwik/status/1491...dmAZfAQ5DVqhag Have fun with this one

With today's build having comparatively little changes but still having music (which is something they do at the end), it feels pretty obvious a "9.2 in 2 weeks" notice will come later this week.

[TheFirstOnes]

That's a pretty giant asspull of a maybe. But why is everyone else allowed to infer insane bullshit from assets but I'm not?

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Cause that also would mean the Titans simply suck at the Azeroth stuff they have in Ulduar and co? I get your argument, but you act like a Azeroth’s planet here isn’t a potential intention by the First Ones, and in extension the Titans.

Pandaria doesn’t even exist in the WoTLK Azeroths…

[Ersula]

Not sure why you'd post a picture demonstrating exactly why you're wrong.

??? That Azeroth texture is pretty much a stylized version of a satellite picture of our planet at night. You know, like that's exactly the thing the wow artists used as reference?

[Kohtra]

With today's build having comparatively little changes but still having music (which is something they do at the end), it feels pretty obvious a "9.2 in 2 weeks" notice will come later this week.

9.2 release announced on 2/9 would be about right.

[Catastrophy349]

I really don't understand the logic behind this conversation. The lack of any "new" continents/landmasses on the photo from the new build is likely due to either:

1). Blizzard doesn't want to spoil future content (as someone else mentioned) so they aren't going to put future content areas on a map
2). We all know that WoW is a giant retcon. WC3 lore is far and long gone. There is no "good" reason why the map doesn't show continents we have not yet discovered (doesn't matter how far into the future we go there...they should exist). It's just horrible storytelling/telling of their narrative.

[Ersula]

Pandaria doesn’t even exist in the WoTLK Azeroths…

2). We all know that WoW is a giant retcon. WC3 lore is far and long gone. There is no "good" reason why the map doesn't show continents we have not yet discovered (doesn't matter how far into the future we go there...they should exist). It's just horrible storytelling/telling of their narrative.

That's kind of the point. Right now, if they know this isn't supposed to be canon, they have no reason they have to show the full globe if they don't have to, yet they are.

That implies the damage Azeroth sustains changes the landscape, rather than just a new continent... that isn't there.

Sure you can say 'they're just going to retcon it' but you could say that about anything in the game; at that point, why even have a speculation thread at all. They're just going to retcon is the most self defeating comeback you can post on a speculation thread on a WoW forum.

[Marlamin]

That's kind of the point. Right now, if they know this isn't supposed to be canon, they have no reason they have to show the full globe if they don't have to, yet they are.

That implies the damage Azeroth sustains changes the landscape, rather than just a new continent... that isn't there.

Sure you can say 'they're just going to retcon it' but you could say that about anything in the game; at that point, why even have a speculation thread at all. They're just going to retcon is the most self defeating comeback you can post on a speculation thread on a WoW forum.

But that's how it's gone historically for any maps, globes and planets. This hype thread is based on predicting/speculating on things based on historic events, and maps have always been retconned, incomplete or just flat out wrong.

Realistically, they just wanted a model recognizable as Azeroth in the boss fight. Not something they need to spend weeks to months of discussions on regarding what land mass to put where on this tiny model just in case they decide to use it in the future.

There's no point making a big deal out of this.

[Catastrophy349]

That's kind of the point. Right now, if they know this isn't supposed to be canon, they have no reason they have to show the full globe if they don't have to, yet they are.

That implies the damage Azeroth sustains changes the landscape, rather than just a new continent... that isn't there.

Sure you can say 'they're just going to retcon it' but you could say that about anything in the game; at that point, why even have a speculation thread at all. They're just going to retcon is the most self defeating comeback you can post on a speculation thread on a WoW forum.

Honesty, I hate the word retcon. Unpopular opinion, I love the story of WoW, Shadowlands, all of it. Is it perfect? No. I only used that word because I’m half asleep and was trying to get my point across without having to use too many words.

In addition, since the announcement of the final 3 bosses not being tested on PTR (plus the obvious wait for a 10.0 announcement being strategically held), I have been of the mindset that the end of the Sepulcher raid will be pretty heavy in terms of lore (both for the end of SL and wherever we go next). I’m looking forward to the 4 data-mined cutscenes, RP dialogue on the final 3 bosses, and of course, what happens with Zovaal.

[Hitei]

??? That Azeroth texture is pretty much a stylized version of a satellite picture of our planet at night. You know, like that's exactly the thing the wow artists used as reference?

Right, and do you see how according to your picture, Antarctica doesn't exist, India is a continent the size of Africa, Egypt is a metropolitcan area larger than New York and Los Angeles combined, and the Mediterranean is a series of lakes separated by rivers? Because a visual representation of a map, or "how X sees the planet" =/= the reality of the physical world. In your datamined map, Kul Tiras, a small island nation, is 30% the size of Kalimdor, and the Broken Isles are even bigger. Except we know that isn't even remotely the case.

So why would you think it means anything about what is or isn't present?

It is not the canonical bar for what Azeroth looks like. It's just another globe.

[Vakir]

You're dealing with someone who argued for about half a year that the Jailer couldn't possibly be evil and that the trailers and descriptions describing "an ancient evil" was referring to something else entirely. And that Sylvanas was playing 12D chess to funnel souls for benevolent reasons.

It's a lost cause.