Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[bruxx]

Right, and do you see how according to your picture, Antarctica doesn't exist, India is a continent the size of Africa, Egypt is a metropolitcan area larger than New York and Los Angeles combined, and the Mediterranean is a series of lakes separated by rivers? Because a visual representation of a map, or "how X sees the planet" =/= the reality of the physical world. In your datamined map, Kul Tiras, a small island nation, is 30% the size of Kalimdor, and the Broken Isles are even bigger. Except we know that isn't even remotely the case.

So why would you think it means anything about what is or isn't present?

It is not the canonical bar for what Azeroth looks like. It's just another globe.

Just to emphasize this point, let me leave the chronicles map here.

[Ersula]

Did you forget we went to Argus and were staring at THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL PLANET for months? and then if you go to the Vindicaar you can get that great view of it as long as you want.

Wow thanks for that 12% view of the planet that helps my point. Since cata they're very careful about showing the whole globe. (also, that's penumbra, not night: Different lighting. By the amount of people talking about Umbra lately I'd hope you knew what the word means.)

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Just to emphasize this point, let me leave the chronicles map here.

What about "The titans are dirty liars" didn't you understand? Texture of a map versus texture of the physical planet.

[TheFirstOnes]

Did you forget we went to Argus and were staring at THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL PLANET for months? and then if you go to the Vindicaar you can get that great view of it as long as you want.



The 9.2 projection is NOWHERE CLOSE to being as 'the physical planet herself' comparatively to Argus' view.

You're not allowed to make asspulls anymore than the next person.

I’d argue they’re similar, Zovaal literally damages the World Soul and planet itself while battling us, and he crushes Eternity’s Heart itself, and the heroes have to fuckin avoid the falling debris of Deaths very heart.

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While Sargeras does similar to the actual planet in comparison. Feels like both are very similar in power but in their own ways, and how they can simply fuck Azeroth up.

[bruxx]

Wow thanks for that 12% view of the planet that helps my point. Since cata they're very careful about showing the whole globe. (also, that's penumbra, not night: Different lighting. By the amount of people talking about Umbra lately I'd hope you knew what the word means.)

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What about "The titans are dirty liars" didn't you understand? Texture of a map versus texture of the physical planet.

Are titans trying to convince us that Zandalar, Kul Tiras and the Broken Isles are smaller than they are? Why? Are we mortals incompetent enough that we can't tell the proper size of fully explored islands, either?

I'm fully willing to accept the titans being manipulative liars, but lies have motives, and I can't possibly grasp one for this. (on the other hand, both the titans and the first ones might have reasons to hide other islands/continents from their globes - not wanting us to find artifacts of power and such)

[Marlamin]

Wow thanks for that 12% view of the planet that helps my point. Since cata they're very careful about showing the whole globe. (also, that's penumbra, not night: Different lighting. By the amount of people talking about Umbra lately I'd hope you knew what the word means.)

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What about "The titans are dirty liars" didn't you understand? Texture of a map versus texture of the physical planet.

Here, have the incredibly incorrect and incomplete texture of the physical planet, which is actually mostly visible in the skybox if you wait long enough.

Oh, Quel'thalas, Gilneas and Twilight Highlands are missing. Guess they don't exist canonically. Dang. (Fun fact, I made that image during 7.3 PTR because I was frustrated with the inaccuracies and there was an entire thread on it in this forum as well with pretty much an identical discussion as this one.)

Kul Tiras and Zandalar are also missing as all those clouds aren't large enough to obscure any of them... but 8.0 beta was right around the corner? Weird. They must have known, right?

[Chickat]

https://twitter.com/Qwik/status/1491...dmAZfAQ5DVqhag Have fun with this one

Watch them give us a release date for 9.2 on 02/09/2022.

[Archmage Xaxxas]

Wow thanks for that 12% view of the planet that helps my point. Since cata they're very careful about showing the whole globe. (also, that's penumbra, not night: Different lighting. By the amount of people talking about Umbra lately I'd hope you knew what the word means.)

Do you ever just sit and think, the only reason you probably haven't been banned for this kind of behavior, is that you're given the benefit of the doubt of being a dope instead of malicious? Just kind of fun.

I'm not about to go ingame to get the most optimal views of it, when I know they are there without looking. YOU seem to be the one who needs to go look. The video I linked was indeed, not showing a lot of the planet.

RECALL THOUGH, your words: "Except we've only seen maps or globes of the planet"

and you completely ignore the proof of that statement being wrong in your retort. It's so obvious you're trying to say things wrong at this point.

[Ersula]

It is not the canonical bar for what Azeroth looks like. It's just another globe.

Except its not a globe in the Jailer fight, its the actual planet.

You are all putting on your skeptic hats because you're so sure they're adding a new azeroth-bound contenent in 10.0, something they've only done in half of all expansions. Dragon Isles are dead, team world revamp forever.

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"Except we've only seen maps or globes of the planet"

Or tiny corners of the horizon. The whole planet. You're being obtuse.

[Chickat]

Here, have the incredibly incorrect and incomplete texture of the physical planet, which is actually mostly visible in the skybox if you wait long enough.

Oh, Quel'thalas, Gilneas and Twilight Highlands are missing. Guess they don't exist canonically. Dang. (Fun fact, I made that image during 7.3 PTR because I was frustrated with the inaccuracies and there was an entire thread on it in this forum as well with pretty much an identical discussion as this one.)

Kul Tiras and Zandalar are also missing as all those clouds aren't large enough to obscure any of them... but 8.0 beta was right around the corner? Weird. They must have known, right?

Yeah, I don't get why this is a big deal. Its obvious that this globe doesn't stop them from making new continents, so why are we still talking about it?

[Ersula]

Here, have the incredibly incorrect and incomplete texture of the physical planet, which is actually mostly visible in the skybox if you wait long enough.

Except it's not. It's only half of a sphere.

[Archmage Xaxxas]

Its obvious that this globe doesn't stop them from making new continents, so why are we still talking about it?

Because Ersula's bored. Purposely saying anti-facts as usual.

[Ersula]

Yeah, I don't get why this is a big deal. Its obvious that this globe doesn't stop them from making new continents, so why are we still talking about it?

Because if others are entitled to 15,000 posts about dumbass dragon isles posts I'm allowed to speculate. It's a #**Ding speculation thread.

[Chickat]

Except it's not. It's only half of a sphere.

Are you really suggesting that this is proof that WoW will never have another continent again?

Also, since you seem to think that the picture is the whole globe, where is the other half of the sphere that you are claiming is missing? The maps cover the same portion of the globe, only the Legion once obscures Pandaria with a cloud.

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Because if others are entitled to 15,000 posts about dumbass dragon isles posts I'm allowed to speculate. It's a #**Ding speculation thread.

Sure, you can have whatever opinion you want, but you are trying to state your opinion as a fact.

[ATZenith]

Blizzard retcons stuff every expansion. It’s not far fetched to say there are continents on the other side. It’s really just a matter if Blizzard wants to do that or not. Every new expansion continent just magically appeared lol. Which not the other side of Azeroth?

[Zankai27]

The Map is not a map: It is the Azeroth texture as Zovaal assaults it. Which means any prospective future landmasses should be there.

Unless the devs haven't added them yet because they don't want us to see them...? The literal map of Azeroth in Ulduar doesn't have Broken Isles, Kul Tiras OR Zandalar on it

[Cosmic Janitor]

Speculating on maps that don't show something is like reading tea leaves. It could always change and we have precendence for it. This kind of speculation only starts to become sensible once they actually change maps to include something new, until then it's just rehashing old stuff.

[Marlamin]

I think all the actually interesting speculating on the globe model/Jailer fight hasn't been done yet, nor has a lot of datamining actually happened around the Jailer encounter and there's way more recent stuff to be found than what has been covered by e.g's Wowhead article so far (possibly on purpose to try not to spoil the encounter too much, but we don't really care about that in this thread).

For context, this is the actual model for 9du_progenitorraid_jailerfight_azerothglobe01, speculating just based on the texture isn't very useful as it appears to be largely covered by some sort of orange glow coming from the bottom of the model, I'm gonna speculate said glow is being caused by the Reorigination spell/laser beam and/or Azeroth being "unmade" but it's hard to tell without it being used in its proper context during the fight.

There's also the whole speculation around the LivingWorld thing and I've seen a bunch of people speculate that it might be used during the Jailer encounter instead of being a 10.0 thing. But for that theory to work it would have to be using a model that is currently encrypted, as the above Azeroth model has no animations (and as such no LivingWorld animations) and is pretty useless as far as models go.

There are a bunch of interesting spell name additions/renames as well this build, some of which might be for encounters (or something entirely different): https://wow.tools/dbc/diff.php?dbc=s...ew=9.2.0.42257

[Aucald]

Are you really suggesting that this is proof that WoW will never have another continent again?

Also, since you seem to think that the picture is the whole globe, where is the other half of the sphere that you are claiming is missing? The maps cover the same portion of the globe, only the Legion once obscures Pandaria with a cloud.

The developers are pretty much on record as saying "we can make up entire continents out of nowhere if it fits a story we want to tell." That's pretty much how the previously unknown continent of Pandaria came to be - ditto for previously unknown areas like the Twilight Highlands or Uldum. Basically put, Azeroth has as many potential landmasses as the story requires.

[Chickat]

I think all the actually interesting speculating on the globe model/Jailer fight hasn't been done yet, nor has a lot of datamining actually happened around the Jailer encounter and there's way more recent stuff to be found than what has been covered by e.g's Wowhead article so far (possibly on purpose to try not to spoil the encounter too much, but we don't really care about that in this thread).

For context, this is the actual model for 9du_progenitorraid_jailerfight_azerothglobe01, speculating just based on the texture isn't very useful as it appears to be largely covered by some sort of orange glow coming from the bottom of the model, I'm gonna speculate said glow is being caused by the Reorigination spell/laser beam and/or Azeroth being "unmade" but it's hard to tell without it being used in its proper context during the fight.

There's also the whole speculation around the LivingWorld thing and I've seen a bunch of people speculate that it might be used during the Jailer encounter instead of being a 10.0 thing. But for that theory to work it would have to be using a model that is currently encrypted, as the above Azeroth model has no animations (and as such no LivingWorld animations) and is pretty useless as far as models go.

There are a bunch of interesting spell name additions/renames as well this build, some of which might be for encounters (or something entirely different): https://wow.tools/dbc/diff.php?dbc=s...ew=9.2.0.42257

What is the aurora-looking spot on the bottom of the globe? Is it literally what I just said it looked like? That's worth speculating on imo.

Nvm, I hadn't finished reading your post. Yeah, it probably is the beam of origination.

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The developers are pretty much on record as saying "we can make up entire continents out of nowhere if it fits a story we want to tell." That's pretty much how the previously unknown continent of Pandaria came to be - ditto for previously unknown areas like the Twilight Highlands or Uldum. Basically put, Azeroth has as many potential landmasses as the story requires.

Yep, exactly. So Ersula's claims are just wrong. The new map/globe means nothing for future content.

[Marlamin]

While I'm tempted to dive deeper into things, just like I did with the emerald drake possibly being in the bundle (which is still just conjecture for those latching onto it as proof of dragon isles), this was an intense build to datamine due to the music naming and I've been awake for far too long now. Hoping someone can take a look at some of those spells and their effects to see it there's anything interesting there, or in spell changes of the last few builds.