Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[TheFirstOnes]

That's a pretty giant asspull of a maybe. But why is everyone else allowed to infer insane bullshit from assets but I'm not?

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Cause that also would mean the Titans simply suck at the Azeroth stuff they have in Ulduar and co? I get your argument, but you act like a Azeroth’s planet here isn’t a potential intention by the First Ones, and in extension the Titans.

Pandaria doesn’t even exist in the WoTLK Azeroths…

[Kohtra]

With today's build having comparatively little changes but still having music (which is something they do at the end), it feels pretty obvious a "9.2 in 2 weeks" notice will come later this week.

9.2 release announced on 2/9 would be about right.

[Catastrophy349]

I really don't understand the logic behind this conversation. The lack of any "new" continents/landmasses on the photo from the new build is likely due to either:

1). Blizzard doesn't want to spoil future content (as someone else mentioned) so they aren't going to put future content areas on a map
2). We all know that WoW is a giant retcon. WC3 lore is far and long gone. There is no "good" reason why the map doesn't show continents we have not yet discovered (doesn't matter how far into the future we go there...they should exist). It's just horrible storytelling/telling of their narrative.

[Ersula]

Pandaria doesn’t even exist in the WoTLK Azeroths…

2). We all know that WoW is a giant retcon. WC3 lore is far and long gone. There is no "good" reason why the map doesn't show continents we have not yet discovered (doesn't matter how far into the future we go there...they should exist). It's just horrible storytelling/telling of their narrative.

That's kind of the point. Right now, if they know this isn't supposed to be canon, they have no reason they have to show the full globe if they don't have to, yet they are.

That implies the damage Azeroth sustains changes the landscape, rather than just a new continent... that isn't there.

Sure you can say 'they're just going to retcon it' but you could say that about anything in the game; at that point, why even have a speculation thread at all. They're just going to retcon is the most self defeating comeback you can post on a speculation thread on a WoW forum.

[Marlamin]

That's kind of the point. Right now, if they know this isn't supposed to be canon, they have no reason they have to show the full globe if they don't have to, yet they are.

That implies the damage Azeroth sustains changes the landscape, rather than just a new continent... that isn't there.

Sure you can say 'they're just going to retcon it' but you could say that about anything in the game; at that point, why even have a speculation thread at all. They're just going to retcon is the most self defeating comeback you can post on a speculation thread on a WoW forum.

But that's how it's gone historically for any maps, globes and planets. This hype thread is based on predicting/speculating on things based on historic events, and maps have always been retconned, incomplete or just flat out wrong.

Realistically, they just wanted a model recognizable as Azeroth in the boss fight. Not something they need to spend weeks to months of discussions on regarding what land mass to put where on this tiny model just in case they decide to use it in the future.

There's no point making a big deal out of this.

[Catastrophy349]

That's kind of the point. Right now, if they know this isn't supposed to be canon, they have no reason they have to show the full globe if they don't have to, yet they are.

That implies the damage Azeroth sustains changes the landscape, rather than just a new continent... that isn't there.

Sure you can say 'they're just going to retcon it' but you could say that about anything in the game; at that point, why even have a speculation thread at all. They're just going to retcon is the most self defeating comeback you can post on a speculation thread on a WoW forum.

Honesty, I hate the word retcon. Unpopular opinion, I love the story of WoW, Shadowlands, all of it. Is it perfect? No. I only used that word because I’m half asleep and was trying to get my point across without having to use too many words.

In addition, since the announcement of the final 3 bosses not being tested on PTR (plus the obvious wait for a 10.0 announcement being strategically held), I have been of the mindset that the end of the Sepulcher raid will be pretty heavy in terms of lore (both for the end of SL and wherever we go next). I’m looking forward to the 4 data-mined cutscenes, RP dialogue on the final 3 bosses, and of course, what happens with Zovaal.

[Hitei]

??? That Azeroth texture is pretty much a stylized version of a satellite picture of our planet at night. You know, like that's exactly the thing the wow artists used as reference?

Right, and do you see how according to your picture, Antarctica doesn't exist, India is a continent the size of Africa, Egypt is a metropolitcan area larger than New York and Los Angeles combined, and the Mediterranean is a series of lakes separated by rivers? Because a visual representation of a map, or "how X sees the planet" =/= the reality of the physical world. In your datamined map, Kul Tiras, a small island nation, is 30% the size of Kalimdor, and the Broken Isles are even bigger. Except we know that isn't even remotely the case.

So why would you think it means anything about what is or isn't present?

It is not the canonical bar for what Azeroth looks like. It's just another globe.

[Vakir]

You're dealing with someone who argued for about half a year that the Jailer couldn't possibly be evil and that the trailers and descriptions describing "an ancient evil" was referring to something else entirely. And that Sylvanas was playing 12D chess to funnel souls for benevolent reasons.

It's a lost cause.

[bruxx]

Right, and do you see how according to your picture, Antarctica doesn't exist, India is a continent the size of Africa, Egypt is a metropolitcan area larger than New York and Los Angeles combined, and the Mediterranean is a series of lakes separated by rivers? Because a visual representation of a map, or "how X sees the planet" =/= the reality of the physical world. In your datamined map, Kul Tiras, a small island nation, is 30% the size of Kalimdor, and the Broken Isles are even bigger. Except we know that isn't even remotely the case.

So why would you think it means anything about what is or isn't present?

It is not the canonical bar for what Azeroth looks like. It's just another globe.

Just to emphasize this point, let me leave the chronicles map here.

[Ersula]

Did you forget we went to Argus and were staring at THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL PLANET for months? and then if you go to the Vindicaar you can get that great view of it as long as you want.

Wow thanks for that 12% view of the planet that helps my point. Since cata they're very careful about showing the whole globe. (also, that's penumbra, not night: Different lighting. By the amount of people talking about Umbra lately I'd hope you knew what the word means.)

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Just to emphasize this point, let me leave the chronicles map here.

What about "The titans are dirty liars" didn't you understand? Texture of a map versus texture of the physical planet.

[TheFirstOnes]

Did you forget we went to Argus and were staring at THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL PLANET for months? and then if you go to the Vindicaar you can get that great view of it as long as you want.



The 9.2 projection is NOWHERE CLOSE to being as 'the physical planet herself' comparatively to Argus' view.

You're not allowed to make asspulls anymore than the next person.

I’d argue they’re similar, Zovaal literally damages the World Soul and planet itself while battling us, and he crushes Eternity’s Heart itself, and the heroes have to fuckin avoid the falling debris of Deaths very heart.

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While Sargeras does similar to the actual planet in comparison. Feels like both are very similar in power but in their own ways, and how they can simply fuck Azeroth up.

[bruxx]

Wow thanks for that 12% view of the planet that helps my point. Since cata they're very careful about showing the whole globe. (also, that's penumbra, not night: Different lighting. By the amount of people talking about Umbra lately I'd hope you knew what the word means.)

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What about "The titans are dirty liars" didn't you understand? Texture of a map versus texture of the physical planet.

Are titans trying to convince us that Zandalar, Kul Tiras and the Broken Isles are smaller than they are? Why? Are we mortals incompetent enough that we can't tell the proper size of fully explored islands, either?

I'm fully willing to accept the titans being manipulative liars, but lies have motives, and I can't possibly grasp one for this. (on the other hand, both the titans and the first ones might have reasons to hide other islands/continents from their globes - not wanting us to find artifacts of power and such)

[Marlamin]

Wow thanks for that 12% view of the planet that helps my point. Since cata they're very careful about showing the whole globe. (also, that's penumbra, not night: Different lighting. By the amount of people talking about Umbra lately I'd hope you knew what the word means.)

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What about "The titans are dirty liars" didn't you understand? Texture of a map versus texture of the physical planet.

Here, have the incredibly incorrect and incomplete texture of the physical planet, which is actually mostly visible in the skybox if you wait long enough.

Oh, Quel'thalas, Gilneas and Twilight Highlands are missing. Guess they don't exist canonically. Dang. (Fun fact, I made that image during 7.3 PTR because I was frustrated with the inaccuracies and there was an entire thread on it in this forum as well with pretty much an identical discussion as this one.)

Kul Tiras and Zandalar are also missing as all those clouds aren't large enough to obscure any of them... but 8.0 beta was right around the corner? Weird. They must have known, right?

[Chickat]

https://twitter.com/Qwik/status/1491...dmAZfAQ5DVqhag Have fun with this one

Watch them give us a release date for 9.2 on 02/09/2022.

[Archmage Xaxxas]

Wow thanks for that 12% view of the planet that helps my point. Since cata they're very careful about showing the whole globe. (also, that's penumbra, not night: Different lighting. By the amount of people talking about Umbra lately I'd hope you knew what the word means.)

Do you ever just sit and think, the only reason you probably haven't been banned for this kind of behavior, is that you're given the benefit of the doubt of being a dope instead of malicious? Just kind of fun.

I'm not about to go ingame to get the most optimal views of it, when I know they are there without looking. YOU seem to be the one who needs to go look. The video I linked was indeed, not showing a lot of the planet.

RECALL THOUGH, your words: "Except we've only seen maps or globes of the planet"

and you completely ignore the proof of that statement being wrong in your retort. It's so obvious you're trying to say things wrong at this point.

[Ersula]

It is not the canonical bar for what Azeroth looks like. It's just another globe.

Except its not a globe in the Jailer fight, its the actual planet.

You are all putting on your skeptic hats because you're so sure they're adding a new azeroth-bound contenent in 10.0, something they've only done in half of all expansions. Dragon Isles are dead, team world revamp forever.

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"Except we've only seen maps or globes of the planet"

Or tiny corners of the horizon. The whole planet. You're being obtuse.

[Chickat]

Here, have the incredibly incorrect and incomplete texture of the physical planet, which is actually mostly visible in the skybox if you wait long enough.

Oh, Quel'thalas, Gilneas and Twilight Highlands are missing. Guess they don't exist canonically. Dang. (Fun fact, I made that image during 7.3 PTR because I was frustrated with the inaccuracies and there was an entire thread on it in this forum as well with pretty much an identical discussion as this one.)

Kul Tiras and Zandalar are also missing as all those clouds aren't large enough to obscure any of them... but 8.0 beta was right around the corner? Weird. They must have known, right?

Yeah, I don't get why this is a big deal. Its obvious that this globe doesn't stop them from making new continents, so why are we still talking about it?

[Ersula]

Here, have the incredibly incorrect and incomplete texture of the physical planet, which is actually mostly visible in the skybox if you wait long enough.

Except it's not. It's only half of a sphere.

[Archmage Xaxxas]

Its obvious that this globe doesn't stop them from making new continents, so why are we still talking about it?

Because Ersula's bored. Purposely saying anti-facts as usual.

[Ersula]

Yeah, I don't get why this is a big deal. Its obvious that this globe doesn't stop them from making new continents, so why are we still talking about it?

Because if others are entitled to 15,000 posts about dumbass dragon isles posts I'm allowed to speculate. It's a #**Ding speculation thread.