Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Izalla]

Right on. Never delved that deep into region specifics. But yeah, obv applying real-world knowledge of axes and tilt and such doesn't work in this fantasy world. BUT, maybe the south of the world is so "warm" climated because of its interior, rather than exterior sources. Hmm? So instead of the sun's exposure to the planet being the only reason to give it the warmer south vs. equator has something to do with the titan sleeping within.

Their joking excuse in that video clip was the warm winds and ocean currents did it, so same stuff that causes western Europe to be warmer than the parts of North America that are the same distance or even closer to the equator. I don't know enough about this stuff myself but I'm pretty sure that that alone wouldn't be good enough to explain away a proper cold south pole if they intended Azeroth to function like earth (seasonally) which it does seem to since we also have a harvest festival and winter holiday that involves snow. I think they just didn't really think about it and there is no real explanation so in the end what matters is if Blizz decides to retcon it or not and it could go either way. Right now there is no cold southern pole, but if they decide to make one, it would retcon all the maps/lore but not their established climate.

[Varodoc]

I'm still salty they had the nerve to choose Silithus for the sword stab location, with would positively bathe C'thun with Azerite (you know, the watered down version of which instantly revived Y'shaarj's heart in MoP), but didn't have that lead to his return. Especially as a build up to N'zoth and the Black Empire expac. Why else would they make a point of showing Yogg's influence/presence as being active in Ulduar and pick Silithus of any other zones to make ground zero for the Azerite appearance? And no, the excuse of "they picked Silithus because it is empty and they didn't mind destroying it" is not a valid reason since they have bronze dragons to preserve old zones then proceeded to wreck Teldrassil and Tirisfal anyway. It was all lining up so perfectly and if they didn't have N'zoth trick us into storing him in that knife so he can catch us unawares later on, then Blizz really are just incredibly bad at using their own long crafted set ups...

True, but regardless of what happened with Silithus, C'Thun is still very much active.

If you read the WoW Comic, you will see that C'thun is still alive and working in the shadows. In the WoW comic (which takes place when WoTLK started, so long after C'Thun was "slain" by the Heroes), C'Thun ordered and guided Cho'Gall to Silithus so that he could be resurrected by his servant. C'Thun was also the one who disfigured and deformed Cho'Gall, infusing him with his power, so that he could defeat the orc draenei Jesus who shall not be named. Even though C'Thun's plan and resurrection were stopped by the aforementioned Jesus who got 404'd from the lore, what this comic proves is that Classic WoW was not the end for C'Thun. In fact, C'Thun was still "active" enough to directly transform Cho'Gall into a monster.

In fact, pretty much all the Old Gods are still active. N'Zoth is obviously not dead and will come back eventually (via the Blade of the Black Empire). Yogg-Saron's whispers were heard in Legion. C'Thun was trying to get himself resurrected by Cho'Gall in WoTLK's pre-patch comic. Y'Shaarj lives on through the Sha. And there is also that mysterious Old God from Outlands that was being summoned by the arakkoa.

VERY IMPORTANT:

After the defeat of N'Zoth, Alleria Windrunner noted that the whispers of the Void worsened, with new voices joining the chorus of whispers. What does this mean? What truth does Alleria know? What secret does Alleria know about the Old Gods and the Void? Only Alleria knows...

[Darkarath]

Old Gods will be back, probably all of them, is just a matter of time.

Dragon Isles and The Other Side of Azeroth will happen too.

WoW is going to be alive for a looooong time and they will have time to explore whatever they want.

Blizzard claims that 9.2 is the end of the Warcraft saga that we know, and the beginning of a new chapter. What better moment to make a very necessary world revamp then?

But I also hope and think that 10.0 will bring core gameplay and systems changes. For starters they need to start making almost everything account wide. Also, I wish that they come up with a system to add more classes with each expansion, like FFXIV does. Make existing specs their own class, make them more simple and take away skills if needed too, there are many cool possible classes that we cannot get to play because fucking PvP and Mythic balance.

[micwini]

The fact that they still preface everything with soon. I still believe theres' a livestream coming up. If nothing happens today, then it could be a Thursday Livestream announcement for next week.

They're not gonna do a livestream to announce the release date of 9.2

[Izalla]

True, but regardless of what happened with Silithus, C'Thun is still very much active.

If you read the WoW Comic, you will see that C'thun is still alive and working in the shadows. In the WoW comic (which takes place when WoTLK started, so long after C'Thun was "slain" by the Heroes), C'Thun ordered and guided Cho'Gall to Silithus so that he could be resurrected by his servant. C'Thun was also the one who disfigured and deformed Cho'Gall, infusing him with his power, so that he could defeat the orc draenei Jesus who shall not be named. Even though C'Thun's plan and resurrection were stopped by the aforementioned Jesus who got 404'd from the lore, what this comic proves is that Classic WoW was not the end for C'Thun. In fact, C'Thun was still "active" enough to directly transform Cho'Gall into a monster.

In fact, pretty much all the Old Gods are still active. N'Zoth is obviously not dead and will come back eventually (via the Blade of the Black Empire). Yogg-Saron's whispers were heard in Legion. C'Thun was trying to get himself resurrected by Cho'Gall in WoTLK's pre-patch comic. Y'Shaarj lives on through the Sha. And there is also that mysterious Old God from Outlands that was being summoned by the arakkoa.

VERY IMPORTANT:

After the defeat of N'Zoth, Alleria Windrunner noted that the whispers of the Void worsened, with new voices joining the chorus of whispers. What does this mean? What truth does Alleria know? What secret does Alleria know about the Old Gods and the Void? Only Alleria knows...

Aware of all of this and agree that it has to be inevitable. Unless Blizz turns out to be that incompetent to set all this up and then do nothing with it.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

They aren't incompetant, they just think differently then we do. The other reason is well if suddenly an old Old God(no pun intended) coming back will get the "BLIZZ IS OUT OF IDEAS" crowd and well I think they are dumb but I think its reasonable for Blizzard to avoid that even if Old Gods are Horror monsters that can get away with coming back IMO but again

We can't have nice things with this community.

[Khaza-R]

I know people weren't 100% serious about Northrend getting blown up but the more I think about, the more plausible I actually think it is.

For one, they got rid of the Lich King. So they don't have to worry about that story. Its also a convenient way to tight up the loose end with the Scourge and how they aren't overrunning all of Azeroth. 8.2.5 could see a bunch of Northrend ARs are refugees within the Horde and Alliance.

On a larger scale, I don't see a revamp happening yet. But I do think a global facelift is how they would achieve it if they were going to do it. And it would also explain why the Kalimdor / EK books don't actually have any new lore. Because the new lore would be written in a new world so to say.

[Makorus]

Yogg-Saron coming back, of course.

He was still whispering to the living creatures in Legion.

Yogg-Saron the Old God of Death, his return is inevitable. Once the Janitor is out of the way, this creature Yogg-Saron will sense a window of opportunity and try to take over the remainders of Death, to become the one true God of Death.

Yogg, like all the other Old Gods, is dead.

He is as dead as Y'Shaarj or N'zoth.

[Varodoc]

LOL Please, the vast majority of people don't care about recycling villains. See how people reacted to the Rise of Skywalker trailer and the return of Palpatine, people were hyped, they didn't give a shit that they recycled Palpatine.

I guarantee you that if the next expansion's trailer featured either C'Thun or Yogg-Saron in some ways, so two of the most iconic MMORPG bosses ever, it would generate far more hype than Sylvanas spanking Bolvar.

[Dracullus]

They aren't incompetant, they just think differently then we do. The other reason is well if suddenly an old Old God(no pun intended) coming back will get the "BLIZZ IS OUT OF IDEAS" crowd and well I think they are dumb but I think its reasonable for Blizzard to avoid that even if Old Gods are Horror monsters that can get away with coming back IMO but again

We can't have nice things with this community.

Well, I would never call any of them master of storytelling (yes, including Metzen), but for sure they are better than wannabe writers on forums. Most entertaining threads here are when people place their ideas instead of shitting on Blizz ones.

hello from the future i see no news

...aaany minute now.

[Varodoc]

Yogg, like all the other Old Gods, is dead.

He is as dead as Y'Shaarj or N'zoth.

Blizzard disagrees with you.

Keep denying Canon.

[Harbour]

no news today i guess

[Makorus]

Blizzard disagrees with you.

Keep denying Canon.

Where does Blizzard disagree exactly?

Yogg mentions his corpse. Magni says that Azeroth is free from the Old Gods grasps after we kill N'zoth, and I feel like Azeroth would know whether there will still parasites infesting her.

And, I mean, that's not even mentioning this quote from Blizzcon 2018:

I would say that we should consider them dead. But! As with all things in World of Warcraft and in general in the Warcraft universe, death is not always final. Therefore, if there is the coming of the Old Gods, or some precursor of the Old Gods appear from the eternal darkness, from the Void, for example, if there is any way or opportunity to return them, I imagine that this may well happen.

And before you say "Oh, so they might come back???", well yeah, Blizzard could literally bring back ANY character. They could bring back Argus, they could bring back Garrosh.

[micwini]

https://cdn.imageupload.workers.dev/...E896D88C3.jpeg

New login screen? (I swear to god its not the meme one)

[Izalla]

They aren't incompetant, they just think differently then we do. The other reason is well if suddenly an old Old God(no pun intended) coming back will get the "BLIZZ IS OUT OF IDEAS" crowd and well I think they are dumb but I think its reasonable for Blizzard to avoid that even if Old Gods are Horror monsters that can get away with coming back IMO but again

We can't have nice things with this community.

If that was the case there would be no reason to leave this many bread crumbs that the Old Gods are all still a potential threat (except Y'shaarj since he got ripped out of the planet and the only piece left was the heart we destroyed so he isn't isn't exactly a direct threat anymore. They either intend to use this for something later on, or they didn't even mean to set it up in the first place and it was somehow all a coincidence (and if that is the case, I still think it would be silly to ignore what they set up when they can easily take advantage of it).

[Aeluron Lightsong]

https://cdn.imageupload.workers.dev/...E896D88C3.jpeg

New login screen? (I swear to god its not the meme one)

Well at least you aren't trying an old joke.


7/10

[Izalla]

https://cdn.imageupload.workers.dev/...E896D88C3.jpeg

New login screen? (I swear to god its not the meme one)

Log in screens are usually pretty late into beta if I remember right and no real leak has every contained a log in screen no matter how many people like to make and leak them

[Kiivar86]

Log in screens are usually pretty late into beta if I remember right and no real leak has every contained a log in screen no matter how many people like to make and leak them

Yeah as I said in the thread this came from, as I recall most betas use the old Dark Portal login screen for a while.

[Lazarel]

https://cdn.imageupload.workers.dev/...E896D88C3.jpeg

New login screen? (I swear to god its not the meme one)

the font and overall ui looks quite horrible and non-blizzlike

[Varodoc]

Where does Blizzard disagree exactly?

Yogg mentions his corpse.

Did he mention that in Legion, where he whispered to the players and summoned faceless ones years after his "death"?

Magni says that Azeroth is free from the Old Gods grasps after we kill N'zoth,

Magni the guy who got fooled by N'Zoth for the entirety of BfA? Nope, not trusting his word.

and I feel like Azeroth would know whether there will still parasites infesting her.

Who knows what Azeroth knows, her only "speaker" got played like a violin by N'Zoth.

And, I mean, that's not even mentioning this quote from Blizzcon 2018:

Did you intentionally leave out the fact that this quote was from Afrasiabi?

Blizzard could literally bring back ANY character.

Right, except that it's intuitive to bring the Old Gods back since they are the most manipulative villains in the setting.