Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Dracullus]

Don't mistake cities with hubs. Suramar, centre Revendreth, Boralus, Dazal'Alor are all great cities, Dalaran/Oribos are mediocre compared to them. But hub carved in Dazal'Alor is awful, one in Boralus mediocre and Dalaran/Oribos great (Dalaran slightly better because flying).

[Gimlix]

Dalaran is the only good city from an expansion. There's a reason it's been used twice and shockingly in the two most beloved expansions to date.

The idea that Blizzard wouldn't bring it back in a hail mary expansion is silly.

Dalaran wasn’t necessary the reason why it was good though. Also legion wasn’t that good either.

MoP was far better in terms of quality. That one just had a duplicate temple.

Anyways 3rd time Dalaran would mean they become even more lazy

[Skildar]

Vantage point seems off. Like its still floating just above Hillsbrad instead.

This is better idea of what Dalaran would look like from surface level.

Whoah where is this pic from?

[Makabreska]

I'm quite sure it will only happen in instanced zones for 9.2.5. - but I'm fully expecting open world and guild support once 10.0 launches.

Well ye, that's what they said. 9.2.5 cross faction is in Raids, M+ and PvP instances only.

[Raetary]

Whoah where is this pic from?

It's from a private server, best to not engage before someone gets in trouble.

[Black Rider]

Okay so if it's Dalaran again, why?

That would mean the Kirin'tor are involved and so far they only get involved when Azeroth is being invaded. So who the fuck is invading the Dragon Isles?

Because it can fly.
Got history already

[Lady Atia]

Well ye, that's what they said. 9.2.5 cross faction is in Raids. M+ and PvP instances only.

No, they implied we wouldn't need a neutral hub because crossfaction will stay in instanced content only.

[TheFirstOnes]

Whoah where is this pic from?

Uhhh...uhhhh...wait wait lemme make a fun lil explanation rq...

Archimonde's Holographic Antoran Strategy Plan#234542: Damning Humanity's Mockery of Magic and flame, Dalaran's Annihilation. Located 84.21 miles West of Kin'garoth''s Fel Workshop and Factory!

But fr tho, he likely got it from Deviant art. I just wanted to make a fun lil WC3 reference, worry LOL

[Lady Atia]

It's a from a private server, best to not engage before someone gets in trouble.

Honestly I wouldn't have a problem with that. Private Servers shouldn't be allowed to exist imo.

[Sondrelk]

Loved having that massive scale for a Horde city, but yea it was kind of nuts it was so vertically offset that we needed Flight Paths within the city.

Probably could have included a bit less at the docks or had a cool Zip-Line-Vine to zoom down lol (I know there was the Paku lifts at least.)


Meanwhile I did like Boralus, just felt it was almost a tad cramped/overly detailed for it's size? Makes sense as wooden human work, but I do miss the literal 'larger than life' feeling some of the larger architecture in places like Darnassus have.

Boralus and Dazar'alor is in my opinion one of the best examples of the WoW audience wawnting different things for different equally valid reasons.

Some loved Boralus because it was tightly packed and was easily accessible, some hated how this meant most of the actual Boralus was just window dressing instead of something more immersive.
Some loved Dazar'alor for feeling like a vast city with a clear distinction between the palace and the more rugged docks, some hated how this meant they needed to constantly move between the two instead of just being able to log on and easily get to everywhere you wanted.

Sadly there isnt really a solution to this other than picking a side and sticking to it, alienating one side almost completely, so we will probably just keep getting compromises.

[Chickat]

Because i google it and it says it did increase for the us, not by much but it did, unless you wanna claim the price is the same since 2006.

And the second part, yes its true.

No it didn't increase in the US.

[huth]

Loved having that massive scale for a Horde city, but yea it was kind of nuts it was so vertically offset that we needed Flight Paths within the city.

Probably could have included a bit less at the docks or had a cool Zip-Line-Vine to zoom down lol (I know there was the Paku lifts at least.)


Meanwhile I did like Boralus, just felt it was almost a tad cramped/overly detailed for it's size? Makes sense as wooden human work, but I do miss the literal 'larger than life' feeling some of the larger architecture in places like Darnassus have.

Boralus actually made perfect sense for what it was supposed to represent. Those cities really were extremely packed and cramped. It's not like it isn't still a pretty large city. If anything, the roads are actually a bit to broad.

[Archmage Xaxxas]

Want to take a poll here:

Would you like playable Furbolgs if we're in for something Elune/Dream/Druid/Life centric expansion theme wise?



I had asked my less lore-focused pal and got a disappointing answer, which was that he thought it would be 'kind of like another pandaren' and 'maybe if they had a new faction for animals'

This was sad to me! Furbolgs got absolutely snubbed by Pandaren for a playable race, let's be real.
It's terrible to me that now, a casual player's view on the potential of Furbolgs is outright soiled by Pandaren existing.

Granted, he's somehow been unaware of the race's alliance with the Night Elves since WC3 which I was able to use to sway him towards seeing how it's less forced than Pandaren even.

Where the Pandaren are indeed wise, they are 2x more cartoony- which is okay, but it's seemingly soured the idea of "Bear People" when frankly the Furbolg, these beautiful OGs, are quite the hardended, spiritual, survivalist bunch. Sort of the 'Tauren equivalent' of Alliance.

Their race could feel quite distinct from Pandaren as playables, as they always have as NPCs before.



And here's the thing, after Shadowlands Afterlives: Ardenweald and Ursoc's ultimate sacrifice/last farewell, I'd say the Furbolg as a people are due for some cultural focus!

They could find purpose in electing Ursol perhaps as their new deity, or I don't know if Ursoc's death could have ramifications on the race but unlikely.
( ie Cenarius dying didn't affect HM Tauren.)


Arguably, we've never been more primed for them being introduced. But I'm (emerald) dreaming :')
I tell ya, I'd take them over Dragonkin!

And then what would you propose as a Horde race to counter? Or are you of the mind they could be dual faction?

I could see as a major twist, introducing some newly emerging, or ancient and hidden Nerubian culture, that could be practitioners of Druidism/Shamanism to the Horde. Bit of a stretch, but it could be a revival of their race, and 'redemption.' Or the safe route, Ogres from Feralas that have also become pretty 'Dreamy' lol

[Ersula]

Honestly I wouldn't have a problem with that. Private Servers shouldn't be allowed to exist imo.

reported for being a cop

[Teriz]

Want to take a poll here:

Would you like playable Furbolgs if we're in for something Elune/Dream/Druid/Life centric expansion theme wise?


I had asked my less lore-focused pal and got a disappointing answer, which was that he thought it would be 'kind of like another pandaren' and 'maybe if they had a new faction for animals'

This was sad to me! Furbolgs got absolutely snubbed by Pandaren for a playable race, let's be real.
It's terrible to me that now, a casual player's view on the potential of Furbolgs is outright soiled by Pandaren existing.

Granted, he's somehow been unaware of the race's alliance with the Night Elves since WC3 which I was able to use to sway him towards seeing how it's less forced than Pandaren even.

Where the Pandaren are indeed wise, they are 2x more cartoony- which is okay, but it's seemingly soured the idea of "Bear People" when frankly the Furbolg, these beautiful OGs, are quite the hardended, spiritual, survivalist bunch. Sort of the 'Tauren equivalent' of Alliance.

Their race could feel quite distinct from Pandaren as playables, as they always have as NPCs before.


And here's the thing, after Shadowlands Afterlives: Ardenweald and Ursoc's ultimate sacrifice/last farewell, I'd say the Furbolg as a people are due for some cultural focus!

They could find purpose in electing Ursol perhaps as their new deity, or I don't know if Ursoc's death could have ramifications on the race but unlikely.
( ie Cenarius dying didn't affect HM Tauren.)


Arguably, we've never been more primed for them being introduced. But I'm (emerald) dreaming :')
I tell ya, I'd take them over Dragonkin!

And then what would you propose as a Horde race to counter? Or are you of the mind they could be dual faction?

I could see as a major twist, introducing some newly emerging, or ancient and hidden Nerubian culture, that could be practitioners of Druidism/Shamanism to the Horde. Bit of a stretch, but it could be a revival of their race, and 'redemption.' Or the safe route, Ogres from Feralas that have also become pretty 'Dreamy' lol

Not to rain on this parade, but we have current playable races in the lineup that are due some cultural focus. Worgen and Gnomes for example still have homelands that they've been trying to retake for multiple expansions now.

[guro-tchai]

Dalaran's too small and beyond explored for me. BfA had many issues, but Boralus and Dazar'alor were wonderful. i literally spent several hours just exploring them, admiring all the little details - a guy, banging on someone's door in Boralus with two of his friends just behind the corner, ready to jump at the owner ; the last dark troll, drinking away the sorrow ; an aristocrat, secretly meeting with a waitress in a basement ; monuments, gardens and stalls.
Dalaran already looks good. environments like these are already there.

Silvermoon, on the other hand? its' area could be more than tripled. a rebuilt western part, the harbor district, catacombs with the Wretched and independent undead, secluded mountain sanctums on the eastern cliffs, a sort of Suramar-town.
and the Dragon isles were just next to Quel'thalas pre-alpha

Oribos as an airport-temple was an interesting change, but I like actual cities more.

[The Stormbringer]

Vantage point seems off. Like its still floating just above Hillsbrad instead.

This is better idea of what Dalaran would look like from surface level.

Damn, that's a cool concept. I really like that as a "restored" or original Dalaran.

[Skildar]

It's a from a private server, best to not engage before someone gets in trouble.

They worked nicely on it, especially on the circling wall

[Catastrophy349]

So, we obviously do a lot of speculation on this thread of the forums; however, I am curious what people think regarding this question:

What do you expect to happen at the end of the Jailer encounter (real answers only. I know some like to be funny but I am genuinely curious)?

For context, I have not looked into any of the lore (spoilers) for 9.2 so don't respond with "we already know what happens". Even if you know about 9.2 story, I'm sure, at the minimum, the Jailer stuff is still secret

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So, we obviously do a lot of speculation on this thread of the forums; however, I am curious what people think regarding this question:

What do you expect to happen at the end of the Jailer encounter (real answers only. I know some like to be funny but I am genuinely curious)?

For context, I have not looked into any of the lore (spoilers) for 9.2 so don't respond with "we already know what happens". Even if you know about 9.2 story, I'm sure, at the minimum, the Jailer stuff is still secret

To answer my own question, I would like to see the Jailer win (whether completely or partially) and do some real damage to the plot/setting of the game. I really enjoyed the speculation and suspense at the end of the Argus cinematic with Sargeras stabbing Silithus. Would definitely like to see a big moment like that.

[Rezzyk]

For context, I have not looked into any of the lore (spoilers) for 9.2 so don't respond with "we already know what happens". Even if you know about 9.2 story, I'm sure, at the minimum, the Jailer stuff is still secret

Actually I don't think we know from datamining what happens after the Jailer encounter. Blizz has done a good job keeping it hidden/encrypted unless I missed something.