1. #24301
    Quote Originally Posted by Totally Not Dragons View Post
    1. Wrathion unites the flights into an army
    Not really an empire.

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    2. The void flight revives the black empire
    Not really an empire of dragons.

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    3. The dragon isles is an empire and wrathion is searching for it to empower new aspects while the void flight wants to revive the dead old god at their center (speculation that there was an old god that the others United to kill and seal away, based off story hints and the borders in chronicles that has an unnamed old god in them along with the known ones
    Maybe, but then we should have known something about it. Even with it being "on other side of Azeroth" or "a secret flying continent", we've interacted extensively with the most powerful dragons, and protected the whole world with them. Either the Aspects don't know about them, which is silly, or they've kept it a secret from people they trusted their lives and planet with.

    It's not impossible that Blizzard would stretch the lore like that, and it certainly wouldn't be the first time, but it'd be weird to have the brand new massive retcon as the expansion subtitle.

  2. #24302
    Empire does not have to mean an actual physical empire, mind.

    Older definitions of the word include "(Absolute) control, dominion, sway" (Wiktionary), "absolute control over a person or group" (archaic definition, from Googling "define:empire"), "imperial sovereignty, rule, or dominion" (Merriam-Webster), and "supreme power in governing; imperial power; sovereignty" (Dictionary).

    Edit: And Wrathion titles himself the Black Prince, after all...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulwind View Post
    Not really an empire.



    Not really an empire of dragons.



    Maybe, but then we should have known something about it. Even with it being "on other side of Azeroth" or "a secret flying continent", we've interacted extensively with the most powerful dragons, and protected the whole world with them. Either the Aspects don't know about them, which is silly, or they've kept it a secret from people they trusted their lives and planet with.

    It's not impossible that Blizzard would stretch the lore like that, and it certainly wouldn't be the first time, but it'd be weird to have the brand new massive retcon as the expansion subtitle.
    I agree; however, as you already said, I wouldn’t be surprised if Blizzard decided to explain the “Empire of Dragons” as an empire on the Dragon Isles that either: A). Has long been forgotten OR B). Created in the last “whatever how many years” to explain why none of the Dragon Aspects know about it.

    Tldr; Don’t push off the “Empire of Dragons” name because of the Empire in the name. This is Blizzard. They can make up whatever they want and explain it however they want.

  4. #24304
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Again, I am not doubting the arguments that are made now for the Shadowlands logo. With our recent knowledge all of it makes sense. But please rewind back to October 2019 when the Shadowlands logo was leaked. We pretty much debunked it at first. Nobody was talking about domination magic back then, because nobody could make that statement during that time - the domination magic was hardly known, if at all.

    You just have to bring your mind back to a state before anything about Shadowlands was known. And then ask yourself if you think that the logo fits something called Shadowlands.
    Thing is, it's awful telling that you're outright assuming we're not, that I'm not. Not very kind actually, rather patronizing behavior. I never doubted the SL logo, and without knowing the name of "Domination" magic, I could recognize it's look from Icecrown.

    I'm not speaking from my current perspective.
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    Please stop posting stuff without sauce.
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  6. #24306
    Yeah the scourge running rampant really should be an actual problem that is either addressed in the lore or addressed in-game.

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    Yay... the Scourge get to run rampant, again again-again.


    Once, twice, thrice times a success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Wu View Post
    Yeah the scourge running rampant really should be an actual problem that is either addressed in the lore or addressed in-game.
    Just as soon as the sword in the planet gets sorted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KOUNTERPARTS View Post
    Yay... the Scourge get to run rampant, again again-again.


    Once, twice, thrice times a success.
    Nothin' wrong with a little o' the ol' ghoul bashing once every now an' then.

  10. #24310
    Quote Originally Posted by Requitus View Post
    This is the colour of the Ren'dorei. You can expect this expansion to be Ren'dorei-focused.

    Purple is the colour associated with the Ren'dorei AKA The Children of the Void.
    The Void. A force of infinite hunger. Its whispers have broken the will of dragons... and lured even the titans' own children into madness. Sages and scholars fear the Void. But we understand a truth they do not. That the Void is a power to be harnessed... to be bent by a will strong enough to command it. The Void has shaped us... changed us. But you will become its master. Wield the shadows as a weapon to save our world... and defend the Alliance!

  11. #24311
    Isn't it kind of oversimplifying Azeroth to say that OUR heroes are the only ones apparently capable of defending the planet/people?

    Thousands of years existed before our characters, and it's reasonable to say that after we "disappear" or "die", that a new wave of heroes will rise and become just as capable for thousands of years later.

    We only became powerful by surviving hardships. So I wonder if even Blizz views the Scourge as a big deal in the modern game-setting? Would new heroes not be made?

    Sure we see places like Lakeshire being assaulted by Scourge, but are we really to assume Redridge is about to get the Plaguelands treatment? probably not.
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  12. #24312
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    This is the colour of the Ren'dorei. You can expect this expansion to be Ren'dorei-focused.

    Purple is the colour associated with the Ren'dorei AKA The Children of the Void.
    They aren't the "children of the void". They literally just started using the void.

  13. #24313
    Quote Originally Posted by Soulwind View Post
    Not really an empire.



    Not really an empire of dragons.



    Maybe, but then we should have known something about it. Even with it being "on other side of Azeroth" or "a secret flying continent", we've interacted extensively with the most powerful dragons, and protected the whole world with them. Either the Aspects don't know about them, which is silly, or they've kept it a secret from people they trusted their lives and planet with.

    It's not impossible that Blizzard would stretch the lore like that, and it certainly wouldn't be the first time, but it'd be weird to have the brand new massive retcon as the expansion subtitle.
    According to in game information the dragon isles is a hidden area that dragons don’t like to give up information about. I’m thinking it will be like zandalar

  14. #24314
    Quote Originally Posted by Buster B Keys View Post
    They aren't the "children of the void". They literally just started using the void.
    Their name, Ren'dorei, literally means "Children of the void" in Thalassian. Bit of a big claim I admit but it is what they call themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    This is the colour of the Ren'dorei. You can expect this expansion to be Ren'dorei-focused.

    Purple is the colour associated with the Ren'dorei AKA The Children of the Void.
    You do realize this is fake right

  16. #24316
    Quote Originally Posted by Requitus View Post
    Oh boy...

    THIS argument...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    This is the colour of the Ren'dorei. You can expect this expansion to be Ren'dorei-focused.

    Purple is the colour associated with the Ren'dorei AKA The Children of the Void.

    This is a prime example of people who only seek out things were they can make a winning statement... even if the thing in particular is not accurate and/or completely fabricated.

  18. #24318
    We've hit the pure realm of desperation folks, where we ignore CANON LORE in-universe to fit with the fantasy's of speculators and "fan theorization".

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    How was Ashes debunked? There’s been other leaks where the announcement was delayed a week. Worth keeping an eye on the features and 9.2’s ending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totally Not Dragons View Post
    You do realize this is fake right
    Quote Originally Posted by KOUNTERPARTS View Post
    This is a prime example of people who only seek out things were they can make a winning statement... even if the thing in particular is not accurate and/or completely fabricated.

    I mean, he is just baiting at this point. Has been for some time.
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