Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[huth]

Nice. https://twitter.com/marlamin/status/...967034368?s=21

Hurray, more not-info.

[Marlamin]

Hurray, more not-info.

Yup, they're treading very carefully.

[Zankai27]

Black Arrow HotS will never become a WoW ability. It would be grossly overpowered.

Wailing Arrow and Withering Fire are both currently being used by Hunters, and it isn't significantly altering their playstyle. It's important to note that the Cataclysm and Legion versions of Black Arrow also didn't significantly alter the Hunter class. In fact, the Legion version of Black Arrow was simply a DoT that occasionally created a pet for MM. That's a problem, because if it isn't significantly altering the Hunter playstyle, then that means that a Dark Ranger class would not be offering a significant gameplay change from the standard Hunter class.

Which goes back to the original point that Hunter gameplay was so homogenized by the time we got to WoD that Blizzard had to change survival to melee in order to grant some spec diversity. Since that time, MM has really struggled to gain a unique identity. It's now slowly becoming the more "caster-style" archer spec that sans pets, but it took a LONG time for it to reach that point, and it still has some significant issues. I wouldn't be surprised to see Withering Fire and Wailing Arrow becoming a permanent part of the spec next expansion. Survival is also have problems because it is scatter-brained thematically, and its DPS is uneven. It's probably getting an overhaul next expansion, but will remain melee. BM is in the best shape, but that's mainly due to the fact that it can lean on being the spec of pets.

The idea that Blizzard would toss a DR class into the mix with 2-3 more Hunter-style specs when they're clearly having issues with the standard Hunter class seems highly unlikely.

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This simply shows you haven't been paying attention to the Hunter class in the last few expansions. MM and Survival have been all over the place mechanically since Legion. Before that, the class was highly homogenized, which forced Blizzard to overhaul the class in Legion. Many players are clamoring for Survival to return to ranged, but that's unlikely because Blizzard has historically had issues making MM a distinct and fun spec, so adding ANOTHER physical ranged spec to the mix would cause even more issues. So yes, there has been multiple indications that Blizzard has been struggling designing physical ranged classes. Given the nature of Bows/Guns/Xbows it's easy to see why.

Thus concepts like Dark Rangers are better served as design space for the current Hunter class, which is exactly what Blizzard has been doing.



Actually, they didn't, they actually purposely limited the DR concept to make it easier to transfer to Hunters. Hence why Dark Rangers never got banshee abilities outside of Sylvanas.

Look, Teriz, I get that concepts that aren't Tinker or Dragons make you genuinely upset, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Hunters have a complicated fantasy; it's so basic that it's likely hard for them to go much deeper than they already have. But Dark Rangers have a lot more to offer than the basic Hunter kit. And it's such a redudtive stance to say "Black Arrow HotS" is too OP to work. Who's asking for the MOBA-styled iteration of it? What you take from HotS is the flavor and you apply the abilities to an MMO setting, not a MOBA one.

Any of what they've done with DRs could change in an instant. Any of it.They could one day decide to be creative.

Though I'm really not surprised the "Demon Hunters will literally never, ever work and if they added them they wouldn't be Demon Hunters they'd be something else" guy has a stance like this.

[Soulwind]

Yup, they're treading very carefully.

All it takes is one intern pressing the wrong button and accidentally leaking the whole alpha client!

[AOL Instant Messenger]

astroturfer

... are you suggesting that you think this thread is a grassroots movement? You do know what "astroturf" means, right? And why would a large, international company shill on one forum in an insignificant website? Wouldn't they at least hire more than one guy?

Plus, if you unironically believe "astroturfers" exist, then you need to learn political science. Grassroots movements are almost always astroturf by default. As it turns out, you need money to operate.

[huth]

All it takes is one intern pressing the wrong button and accidentally leaking the whole alpha client!

That's assuming the intern even has access to the button.

[Soulwind]

That's assuming the intern even has access to the button.

All it takes is one middle management guy accidentally assigning an intern to the wrong department!

[huth]

All it takes is one middle management guy accidentally assigning an intern to the wrong department!

Well, that's two steps already.

[Dragon ANX]

Better?

That would be a blast ;D

[Teriz]

No, he is not. There is no such thing in WoW. You constantly try to transfer other games/systems classes to WoW, but it is not your place to do so. Unless Bliz officially implements them in to the game, there is no such thing.

Blizzard has been implementing HotS concepts in WoW for years. Additionally, the previous class, Demon Hunter used several HotS concepts.

[Vladier]

Better?

That is so beautifully 90s that it's the only 90s thing that can be truly called beautiful.

[Makabreska]

Blizzard has been implementing HotS concepts in WoW for years. Additionally, the previous class, Demon Hunter used several HotS concepts.

And Dragonborn are still now implemented. So until they do it, you saying that X character is Y class is just false.

[Valysar]

This is the very first time that we see the wowdev3 right? What can it be then, a new game tied to Wow obvisouly, but a new alpha? Wow mobile game?

[Shadochi]

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Better?

Michael Bay new WoW Game Director be like

[AOL Instant Messenger]

This is the very first time that we see the wowdev3 right? What can it be then, a new game tied to Wow obvisouly, but a new alpha? Wow mobile game?

Probably not the mobile game if it's a client meant for Battle.Net and also hosted as a variant of WoW. It would probably have its own subset if it were the mobile game.

[Amstrup]

Like Paladin is just a Warrior with Light spells? Or a Priest with Plate armor?
Or like Warlocks are Mages with Pets?

Bad comparison.

[Shadochi]

This is the very first time that we see the wowdev3 right? What can it be then, a new game tied to Wow obvisouly, but a new alpha? Wow mobile game?

Based on name I would assume its something related to PC WoW, not a new Warcraft game as the name clearly states its wow. Also not a mobile game since I don't see how that should be tied to the launcher i guess.

[Teriz]

Teriz stop making up terms and just use Dragonsworn; having two different ones that are basically the same in execution sounds terrible.

Nah, Dragonsworn doesn't make sense if we're talking about a literal dragon. Dragonsworn DOES make sense if you're talking about a mortal swearing fealty to a dragon.

Thus, Dragonborne makes more sense for a class where you're a dragon.

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And Dragonborn are still now implemented. So until they do it, you saying that X character is Y class is just false.

Wrathion, Alexstraza, Chromie, Kalacgos, etc. are in the game currently. So yes, they are implemented, they just aren't playable.

Pretty sure the next class wont be melee focused.

A dragonborne spec based on Chromie HotS (the Bronze Dragonflight) would be RDPS.

[Amstrup]

Pretty sure the next class wont be melee focused.

[Zankai27]

Blizzard has been implementing HotS concepts in WoW for years. Additionally, the previous class, Demon Hunter used several HotS concepts.

Right, but they don't just transfer them 1-1 in most cases. When you make arguments against say, Black Arrow, for instance, an ability that already had a previous iteration in WoW, you say it "won't work" because of it's HotS implementation, which is purely designed with a MOBA framework. If it was a core ability in a Dark Ranger class kit, it would function completely differently.

Nah, Dragonsworn doesn't make sense if we're talking about a literal dragon. Dragonsworn DOES make sense if you're talking about a mortal swearing fealty to a dragon.

Thus, Dragonborne makes more sense.

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No one is talking about a literal dragon. If we're talking dragons, we're talking a dragon-based class. Mortal, or dragon, or whatever, dragons are the core of their inspiration. And "Dragonborne", unlike "Dragonsworn" which is a concept from the RPGs (which they've begun to reference again), is a completely made up term in the concept of WoW. The "Dragonborne" you reference are literally just dragons. Am I a humanborne?

Besides that, limiting a dragon class to 3 flights is stupid. Explore them all or don't do it at all.

Starting to remember why I left this place.