Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[huth]

Which is why the experiment can be repeated and it can achieve greater results than before. This is why new lore exists. Where one thing was impossible once, it can become possible. Broaden your imagination a little further than your nose.

Sure, but they'd still be dragons, not a class. And that's assuming it succeeds, which we have little reason to believe.

[Dragon ANX]

World of Warcraft: Sylvanas
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New Class: Windrunner
New Continent: Sylvanas
New 8 Dungeons that start and end with the letter s containing 8 letters
2 New Raids
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[Ersula]

Because Dragons in WoW can "disguise" themselves as mortals. So this;

I agree that this would be the most effective way to implement this, but it makes more sense for the class to be called "Dragon Aspect" or "Dragonflight" than "Dragonborn" a word never used in lore before.

[huth]

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The continent is reported to have two mountains and a deep valley. Also, bows. Lots and lots of bows.

[Varodoc]

they were an experiment and basically all died of young age, if not experimentally aged. Apart from being highly unstable and only being a mix of red and black.

On top of that, they were created by Nefarian, a servant of Deathwing and, thereby, N'Zoth. If any Chromatic dragon returned, it would be as an enemy. They are servants of the Old Gods.

[Shadochi]

On top of that, they were created by Nefarian, a servant of Deathwing and, thereby, N'Zoth. If any Chromatic dragon returned, it would be as an enemy. They are servants of the Old Gods.

Voidwings were created in much the same way (I mean by serving the old gods and void) and still they can be Uncorrupted, that is the whole point of the Wrathion story in BfA that dragons corrupted and serving the void can be uncorrupted.

[Izalla]

Because Dragons in WoW can "disguise" themselves as mortals. So this;

[img]https://i.ibb.co/7JVw6Wv/W33.jpg[img]

Is a dragon. And this;

[img]https://i.ibb.co/qRrymQY/FJRks-Kpa-IAA8bz-P.jpg[img]

Is his true dragon form.

This opens up a "race" for a class concept because for whatever reason, dragons in WoW are sort of a reversed druid, where their actual form is where their power lies, and their shapeshifted form is their "lesser" form. In terms of mechanics, you can either mirror the Druid class, or utilize the mechanics from HotS. The overall point is that the concept is sound mechanics-wise and lorewise, and would be extremely popular as a class.

Yes dragons can take on the appearances of mortals, but that again just is like saying a worgen is a class. My entire point is that the race would be the dragon in the case of what you're describing. You can't roll a gnome dragon or a troll dragon or an orc dragon. You would just be rolling a dragon. What you've described isn't remotely "sound" to me. And if we did just accept that a dragon can be a class instead of a race, is it going to be a class with 5 specs? Or are you limited to one spec because there are different dragon classes? Obviously if you pick a red dragon you can't just swap to being a blue dragon at the barber shop because that would be your race not your hairstyle, and since the magic of each flight is tied to the flight itself, you would need five classes with one spec each for this because a bronze dragon can't decide to go swap to earth magic (ignoring the infinite and nether and void dragons because that's even more).

[Varodoc]

Voidwings were created in much the same way (I mean by serving the old gods and void) and still they can be Uncorrupted, that is the whole point of the Wrathion story in BfA that dragons corrupted and serving the void can be uncorrupted.

Chromatic dragons were never corrupted, they were born as evil monsters. They are things that shouldn't exist, in other words.

I would also question whether Wrathion knows what he's doing and whether those dragons are really "cleansed" of "all" corruption.

[Izalla]

Easily doable as Dragon Knight/Dragonsworn, they are devoted to the dragons and in change the dragons grant them power. Doesn't need to be a race, and Dragonknight/Dragonsworn has been a general fantasy concept for a long time

I mean this concept makes sense, if you are just borrowing/wielding power granted by a flight you're sworn to or something. Are the dragon aspects still strong enough to grant power like that these days? Or would they need a boost to make this possible?

[Revamp Man]

On top of that, they were created by Nefarian, a servant of Deathwing and, thereby, N'Zoth. If any Chromatic dragon returned, it would be as an enemy. They are servants of the Old Gods.

All mortal races have the curse of flesh to thank for life

Pretty sure we don’t serve the old gods

[Varodoc]

All mortal races have the curse of flesh to thank for life

Pretty sure we don’t serve the old gods

This is all intuitive, don't be pedantic

Chromatic dragons can essentially be compared to the abominations of the Scourge, they are monsters. They were explicitly created by Nefarian (evil psycho dragon) as weapons of war. There's no other purpose for their existence.

Meanwhile the same obviously can't be said for mortal races...

You can't tell me that a lab rat monster created by a psycho is comparable to a human or an elf, come on now.

In reality, creatures like the Chromatic dragons are as close to "Pure Evil" as you can get.

[Teriz]

And again, you named me one chromatic drake who is alive, which is an event dragon without any lore. They literally cannot be alive without nefarians magical experiments.

It's proof of concept; There are Chromatic drakes out there who have survived to adulthood and are unaccounted for in the lore, which allows new and expanded lore to be established. All you need is one living Chromatic drake to expand the lore off of, and we have it.

[Varodoc]

Intrigued by the subject, I read the first few lines of WoWpedia and came across this piece of information:

These experiments were largely considered failures; many whelps died before hatching, and those that survived were unstable, short-lived, volatile, and/or deformed.[2] Those that reached adulthood were artificially aged by Nefarian's twisted magics.[3]

Yes, they are toooootally comparable to humans or elves

You know it's sad, in a way you're putting them out of their misery when you kill them.

[Teriz]

I agree that this would be the most effective way to implement this, but it makes more sense for the class to be called "Dragon Aspect" or "Dragonflight" than "Dragonborn" a word never used in lore before.

If Blizzard chose Aspect, Dragon Aspect, or Dragonflight over Dragonborne, I would have no issue with it. Again, my goal was just to distinguish the concept from Dragonsworn, and give both an opportunity to be their own thing.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Chromatic dragons were never corrupted, they were born as evil monsters. They are things that shouldn't exist, in other words.

I would also question whether Wrathion knows what he's doing and whether those dragons are really "cleansed" of "all" corruption.

Let me guess, only the wonderful, magnificent asspull race literally only you and a handful of others like as anything other than High Elf stand-ins should be allowed to resist the Void because Alleria is a wonderful, perfect Mary Sue, right?

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

Wrath of the Sylvanas*

World revamp: All NPCs replaced with unique Sylvanas models (there probably are already enough ingame)
New System: Sylvanas character customization

I can dig it.

anyone down to make the logo?

[Shadochi]

I mean this concept makes sense, if you are just borrowing/wielding power granted by a flight you're sworn to or something. Are the dragon aspects still strong enough to grant power like that these days? Or would they need a boost to make this possible?

At this point in lore they might or might not be, and it might not even be related to just aspects but powerful dragons in general (as we know there are flights not part of the main 5, and even one of the five colors that just have their own communities).
But as with every expansion there would be new lore and lore progression, and we have the instruments that have given the original aspects their power.

[Teriz]

Yes dragons can take on the appearances of mortals, but that again just is like saying a worgen is a class.

The difference is that we have different types of dragons with different types of abilities. Bronze control time, Red are healers, Black are guardians and warriors, etc. This further leans to a class because it gives us specialization possibilities.

By contrast, there's really only one type of Worgen.

My entire point is that the race would be the dragon in the case of what you're describing. You can't roll a gnome dragon or a troll dragon or an orc dragon. You would just be rolling a dragon. What you've described isn't remotely "sound" to me.

Why isn't it sound? The playable races would simply be your mortal "disguise", and Dragonborne mortal races would get things like horns or glowing eyes or scales, no different than what we see out of Demon Hunters;



What's the problem?

And if we did just accept that a dragon can be a class instead of a race, is it going to be a class with 5 specs? Or are you limited to one spec because there are different dragon classes?

Nope, according to my concept, you're a new type of Chromatic dragon that can change into different types of dragons. Easy peasy.

Obviously if you pick a red dragon you can't just swap to being a blue dragon at the barber shop because that would be your race not your hairstyle, and since the magic of each flight is tied to the flight itself, you would need five classes with one spec each for this because a bronze dragon can't decide to go swap to earth magic (ignoring the infinite and nether and void dragons because that's even more).

No, they wouldn't be "hairstyles" you change in the barbershop, the different flights would act as specializations just like any class, and you would be a chromatic dragon which can take on the appearance and abilities of different flights. In my latest concept, you could turn into (mimic) a Black, Red, or Bronze drake and utilize their abilities. Also it wouldn't be 5 specs, it would be the standard three.

Honestly, it isn't as complex as you're making it out to be.

[Shadochi]

anyone down to make the logo?

This is probably all you need

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Nope, according to my concept, you're a new type of Chromatic dragon that can change into different types of dragons. Easy peasy.



No, they wouldn't be "hairstyles" you change in the barbershop, the different flights would act as specializations just like any class, and you would be a chromatic dragon which can take on the appearance and abilities of different flights. In my latest concept, you could turn into (mimic) a Black, Red, or Bronze drake and utilize their abilities. Also it wouldn't be 5 specs, it would be the standard three.

Honestly, it isn't as complex as you're making it out to be.

Honestly, no one asked my suggestion, but I'd say a Black Dragon class would suffice. We have reason to believe Wrathion is trying to revive the Black Dragonflight—there is room for three specs, too. I could see a Ranged, DPS and Tanking specialization pretty easily as a traditional magma-based, more brutish and powerful, and Earth-based specialization respectively.

There's also the Blue Dragonflight, who we know have long since broken up and are now mostly going on their own. We saw some basis for young Drake characters in Senegos' brood, and it would make more sense for them to be Drakes by now without a timeskip. However, I couldn't imagine them being very distinct—perhaps a melee Arcane (to differentiate from Arcane Mages) and a tanking Frost-based spec, but I can't see much in the way of diversity for those, nor a potential third spec.

I would say Black Dragons are the best option, since they already fulfill the most traditional Dragon archetype whilst still being somewhat distinct and interesting, and we also have concepts of what they could look like in combat with Wrathion's card art in Hearthstone. With strong, preexisting archetypes in both Neltharion pre-Cataclysm and Wrathion, the Black Dragonflight fulfills an interesting, specific, and unfulfilled niche. Although it slightly overlaps with Shaman, it does so far less than Blues would with Mages, Greens and Reds with Druids and Priests, etc. The only other Flight entirely divorced from a preexisting class would be the Bronze Dragonflight, and their time-travel spells may be more suited to a Timekeeper class than a Dragon-based class, and "time-traveling sand Dragon" is much less of a broad and appealing niche (though I personally love the thought of being a Bronze Dragon) than, say, fire-breathing manipulative Dragon.