Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Teriz]

That same logic applies to worgen. Giving them a human form to let them be in defeats the purpose of worgen.

They fight in Worgen form though, that's the purpose of Worgen. What's the point of Drakonoids being able to turn into humans? To be Worgens 2.0??

Also I hard disagree. I feel an upressed version of drakonids would 100% look cooler than those races.

Doubtful. Consider that going the dragon class route allows players the option of being any race in the game, so a player can essentially choose any race they want, even an allied race, and their alternate form is a dragon form. Not some weird mutated creature-dragon, but an actual dragon.

There's a reason the Vial of the Sands was the most sought after Alchemy potion in alchemy; People want to be a dragon. And again, not some weird monster dragonoid thing, but an actual dragon.

Also I like how you pick the arguably weirder image of what I’ve posted, which to be fair was posted to reference what other armor would look like on them, as they’re not really seen with much armor on their in game models.

You picked the image dude.

Here's what a female Drakonid would look like with armor.

Again this;


vs this;



Again, no contest.

[Nightshade711]

Dragon should be implemented as a class, being a Dragon as the characters true 'race' is just RP. The race choice is just your Dragon's mortal appearance. EZ peasy.

Lifewarder = Black + Red Dragon themed Tank
Timeweaver = Bronze + Blue Dragon themed Ranged DPS
Dreambinder = Red + Green Dragon themed Healer

Drakonid and Dragonman is a compromise that nobody asked for and nobody wants, they are uglier than Naga.

Timeweaver sounds like a Arcane Mage.
Dreambinder sounds like a resto druid with some possibly fire themed abilities
Lifewarder no idea how it'd work without it stealing

Nobody asked for Mechagnomes or Void Elves, yet here they are.
Drakonids are something blizzard wanted historically and is more likely to happen than actual full dragons given the several issues that playable dragons would present if they're made in the way players want and aren't just whelps or humans with different colored spells, which at that point why not just give other classes cosmetic variations for their spells.

Plus as stated in previous comments there are plenty of players who would play a drakonid/dragonman because there are certainly a bunch of people that enjoy Lizard Men-esque races. (Like Argonians, lizardmen, D&D Dragonborn/lizardfolk, etc.)

[huth]

Again this;
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vs this;

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Again, no contest.

Of course not, because that's comparing apples and pipecleaners. One is a Drakonid, the other is Ysera in her Night Elf form.

[Nightshade711]

Again this;


vs this;



Again, no contest.

You're right, no contest. Nobody wants a whole new race that's just the base races with additional customization options.
A lot of players don't like most of the allied races because they're not all that unique from base races and only add a few things that should've been customization options.
Ysera in this image is indistinguishable from a night elf, except the horns but DHs have horns now so who knows. (Which dragon NPCs have been using DH horns in their humanoid form since Legion)

[Teriz]

Plus as stated in previous comments there are plenty of players who would play a drakonid/dragonman because there are certainly a bunch of people that enjoy Lizard Men-esque races. (Like Argonians, lizardmen, D&D Dragonborn/lizardfolk, etc.)

But here's the question you need to ask;

Would players prefer to be lizardmen, or dragons? Would you rather look like a hunched over lizardman or like this;



Rule of cool man.

You're right, no contest. Nobody wants a whole new race that's just the base races with additional customization options.
A lot of players don't like most of the allied races because they're not all that unique from base races and only add a few things that should've been customization options.

But that's the beauty of it; That's not really your race. Your actual race is a cool looking dragon. The playable races are just your "disguise".

[huth]

But here's the question you need to ask;

Would players prefer to be lizardmen, or dragons? Would you rather look like a hunched over lizardman or like this;

Lizardmen, because nobody wants to constantly be stuck in doorways.

Sure, Dragons sound cool. But in actual gameplay they wouldn't be.

[Teriz]

Of course not, because that's comparing apples and pipecleaners. One is a Drakonid, the other is Ysera in her Night Elf form.

And with a Dragon class that allows you to choose any playable race and add "draconic" flourishes like horns, scales, draconic eyes, etc. you can resemble Ysera in Night Elf form.

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Lizardmen, because nobody wants to constantly be stuck in doorways.

Sure, Dragons sound cool. But in actual gameplay they wouldn't be.

Oh stop, you wouldn't get stuck in doorways.

[Trumpwonumad]

10.0 should bring in new race class combos.
No new classes or races

[Archmage Xaxxas]

can't wait to play the new tinkers



this is the darkest timeline, and Teriz' dream expansion.

[huth]

And with a Dragon class that allows you to choose any playable race and add "draconic" flourishes like horns, scales, draconic eyes, etc. you can resemble Ysera in Night Elf form.

Still different things, so your comparison is irrelevant.

Oh stop, you wouldn't get stuck in doorways.

Well, if they aren't going to be in Dragon form, what's the point of having them? That's where the cool comes from in the first place. Your claims are mutually exclusive.

[Nightshade711]

But here's the question you need to ask;

Would players prefer to be lizardmen, or dragons? Would you rather look like a hunched over lizardman or like this;



Rule of cool man.



But that's the beauty of it; That's not really your race. Your actual race is a cool looking dragon. The playable races are just your "disguise".

Drakonids are't hunched over.
That image you keep posting of Wrathion is nowhere near what we'd look like as dragons, as that's an image of a very corrupted Wrathion. (And we'd not be NEARLY that big. They'd maybe whelp-sized to avoid mechanical/gameplay issues, but nobody wants to play a whelp.)
Being a full dragon has several mechanical and gameplay issues which is why they'd never be added. Mechanics/Gameplay > Rule of Cool

An actual dragon does not fill the fantasy of lizardmen in the slightest.

And with a Dragon class that allows you to choose any playable race and add "draconic" flourishes like horns, scales, draconic eyes, etc. you can resemble Ysera in Night Elf form.

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Oh stop, you wouldn't get stuck in doorways.

So that's just demon hunters but with eye customization.

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can't wait to play the new tinkers



this is the darkest timeline

A tinker class would be interesting and I would 100% main one if they came out... but from what we're assuming they wouldn't fit into the theme of next xpac.

[Kiivar86]

can't wait to play the new tinkers



this is the darkest timeline

I might really be just seeing things here, and I hate to actually use the meme, but is that a Jojo reference?

That Tinker mech suit pose...

[Teriz]

Still different things, so your comparison is irrelevant.

How are they different things? The goal is to emulate Ysera, Alexstraza, Wrathion, and co, who are extremely popular characters. You can achieve that by giving a dragon class options to alter the appearance of playable races like Night Elves. With enough options, a play should easily be able to duplicate the appearance of a popular dragon character.

Well, if they aren't going to be in Dragon form, what's the point of having them? That's where the cool comes from in the first place. Your claims are mutually exclusive.

Who says you wouldn't be in dragon form?

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can't wait to play the new tinkers



this is the darkest timeline, and Teriz' dream expansion.

Honestly that wouldn't surprise me if true. The logo and the hints supports it.

[olddog]

Mawsworn guard but bigger

[Nightshade711]

Who says you wouldn't be in dragon form?

Unless you want the dragon form to be whelp-sized, this will not happen.
You'd have doorway issues, hitbox issues, people trolling by blocking important NPCs... etc. Way too many issues for "rule of cool" to be a thing.

The most I'd see out of a dragon form would be a flight form/mount. Not something you'd actively be in combat in

[Teriz]

Drakonids are't hunched over.
That image you keep posting of Wrathion is nowhere near what we'd look like as dragons, as that's an image of a very corrupted Wrathion. (And we'd not be NEARLY that big. They'd maybe whelp-sized to avoid mechanical/gameplay issues, but nobody wants to play a whelp.)
Being a full dragon has several mechanical and gameplay issues which is why they'd never be added. Mechanics/Gameplay > Rule of Cool

Since you keep using size as an issue, let's look at some possible sizes for a dragon class;






I don't believe these would be very large at all.

An actual dragon does not fill the fantasy of lizardmen in the slightest.

Seriously, how many players have fantasies of playing as lizardmen?

Also you're talking about a race, I'm talking about a class.

[Jekyll]

Unless you want the dragon form to be whelp-sized, this will not happen.
You'd have doorway issues, hitbox issues, people trolling by blocking important NPCs... etc. Way too many issues for "rule of cool" to be a thing.

I agree with you, but you can't block pathways as playable charaters in wow. You can go through other players and NPCs in WOW.

[Nightshade711]

I agree with you, but you can't block pathways as playable charaters in wow. You can go through other players and NPCs in WOW.

The issue would be getting stuck in some doorways, or standing right ontop of an NPC to prevent players from clicking/interacting with it

Since you keep using size as an issue, let's look at some possible sizes for a dragon class;






I don't believe these would be very large at all.




Seriously, how many players have fantasies of playing as lizardmen?

Also you're talking about a race, I'm talking about a class.

So would their hitbox be that big?
Trick question as both answers would cause issues that aren't worth the "cool factor of being a dragon"
What about armor, how would they look on a dragon? Would they just not wear any?

Plenty of people enjoy lizardmen characters/races or else things like Argonians in the Elder Scrolls/Dragonmen in D&D would not exist.
They make no sense as a class for a myriad of reasons. All the dragonflight's themes can be accomplished with other classes, especially if blizzard adds more spell visuals next xpac to let them fit a certain dragonflight.

[Jekyll]

The issue would be getting stuck in some doorways, or standing right ontop of an NPC to prevent players from clicking/interacting with it

You can still interact with the NPC if someone else is on it. Can't see =/= can't interact.

[Teriz]

So would their hitbox be that big?
Trick question as both answers would cause issues that aren't worth the "cool factor of being a dragon"

That would be up to Blizzard to test to see what would be the balanced solution. The point is that a dragon that size or even slightly smaller would still give the player a majestic feeling of being a dragon. I would also argue that their out of combat/travel dragon form should be somewhat larger than their form in combat, in order to avoid the issues you're talking about.

What about armor, how would they look on a dragon? Would they just not wear any?

Just like Druids, when they shift into dragon form, their armor vanishes.

Plenty of people enjoy lizardmen characters/races or else things like Argonians in the Elder Scrolls/Dragonmen in D&D would not exist.
They make no sense as a class for a myriad of reasons.

Again, how do they "make no sense" as a class? If they were standard D&D dragons that just breathed fire and couldn't transform into mortals, you'd have an argument. However, we have dragons who can shapeshift into mortals and have various abilities based on their coloring, which lends itself perfectly to WoW's class structure.