Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Revamp Man]

AND a megadungeon.

It’s open right now and they aren’t going to close it

There’s still more korthia stuff to add
They haven’t finished the legendaries
Campaigns to finish
Honestly I’m fine with late June because I have an alt to prepare lol

[Makabreska]

We don't have confirmation either way. I'd love it if he was actually loyal to Denathrius, it'd really add weight to making the threat serious.

That would be bullshit. Would just mean derplords are all one dimensional agents faithful only to one party. Him going against all the others makes it more nuanced. Or just shows Light can brainwash anything.

[Sondrelk]

That would be bullshit. Would just mean derplords are all one dimensional agents faithful only to one party. Him going against all the others makes it more nuanced. Or just shows Light can brainwash anything.

If that is your baseline then the Dreadlords are useless either way.

They were supposed to be the Legion infiltration specialists, and for the most part they were succesful except for Lothraxion. But with the reveal in SL there is a deeper layer of infiltration, and if the only true Light infiltrator failed despite them knowing exactly what is needed to succeed then it just kinda deflates theiir importance.

I wouldnt mind if the Light infiltration thing was specifically mentioned to be a failure, but from the way they mention it it sounds like they succeeded in having Lothraxion infiltrate the Light by faking a conversion. So going back on that would in a way be retconning his character twice in a single expansion.

[Revamp Man]

We don't have confirmation either way. I'd love it if he was actually loyal to Denathrius, it'd really add weight to making the threat serious.

We do though
The quest revealing the dreadlords reveals the motive behind the light’s attack and shows that since he’s been discovered he’s under the same mind control as the rest

[Kiivar86]

The timeline doesn't add up.

Lothraxion was a member of the Legion previously. The Nathrezim were exiled after the Light attacked Revendreth. None of them had joined the Legion at that time, they only did so after being exiled.

[Sondrelk]

We do though
The quest revealing the dreadlords reveals the motive behind the light’s attack and shows that since he’s been discovered he’s under the same mind control as the rest

I mean, that is the part where it's difficult to figure out exactly how it all went down.

It is perfectly possible that the Dreadlords realized that the only way to truly end up in the inner circle of the Army of Light was to get captured while sloppily infiltrating, then fake being converted so the Light think they did one over on them.

It's not exactly easily understandable, but it does make sense with how the Dreadlords operate, and more specifically how they said they intended to infiltrate the Light.

[therumblings]

That would be bullshit. Would just mean derplords are all one dimensional agents faithful only to one party. Him going against all the others makes it more nuanced. Or just shows Light can brainwash anything.

I think making a character we knew from previous expansions who we thought was on our side, secretly be apart of this grand conspiracy, is pretty good. I enjoy this new Dreadlord plot in general, but I haven't seen enough to know if I like it more than the old lore yet.

[Makabreska]

I think making a character we knew from previous expansions who we thought was on our side, secretly be apart of this grand conspiracy, is pretty good. I enjoy this new Dreadlord plot in general, but I haven't seen enough to know if I like it more than the old lore yet.

Well, not if said character is a member of a race that is well know for doing shit like that:
- Dreadlords are a core members of BL, oh wait no, they are allied with Danny
- Renethal is trying to sway derplords to his side since they were exiled, oh wait no, their exile was "just as planned"
- there is LF Dreadlord, we did it Reddit! Oh wait no, he was a quadruple agent!

At that point you would see them and instantly knew who they are allied with.

[Stardrift]

"BUT THE BLADE HURR!"

People do realize that, even if the blade survived, only his presence would be within the blade, yes? We clearly see his physical form + Ny'alotha blow tf up at the end of BFA.

"BUT IT WAS A VISION"

And the Void Lords are but NPC's for me to kill.

I'm only saying what people tell me

[TheFirstOnes]

The timeline doesn't add up.

Lothraxion was a member of the Legion previously. The Nathrezim were exiled after the Light attacked Revendreth. None of them had joined the Legion at that time, they only did so after being exiled.

Did you just forget the fact they were never exiled to begin with?

[Kiivar86]

Did you just forget the fact they were never exiled to begin with?

Their exiling was certainly part of Denathrius' tricks, but they were still effectively exiled, or did you just forget that they weren't really in Revendreth (barring any spies in disguise) until recently?

Denathrius "exiled" them to a world outside the Shadowlands, in other words, Nathreza, and they were eventually found out there and then recruited into the Legion.

Like I said, the timeline people are trying to put forward, that Lothraxion was part of the initial incursion, doesn't really fit. Unless you can show me something that says otherwise?

[Revamp Man]

Their exiling was certainly part of Denathrius' tricks, but they were still effectively exiled, or did you just forget that they weren't really in Revendreth (barring any spies in disguise) until recently?

Denathrius "exiled" them to a world outside the Shadowlands, in other words, Nathreza, and they were eventually found out there and then recruited into the Legion.

Like I said, the timeline people are trying to put forward, that Lothraxion was part of the initial incursion, doesn't really fit. Unless you can show me something that says otherwise?

According to the ptr stuff on the front page
The dreadlords were infiltrating all other forces
The light attacked
They were exiled

This timeline is...fine

[Kiivar86]

According to the ptr stuff on the front page
The dreadlords were infiltrating all other forces
The light attacked
They were exiled

This timeline is...fine

The issue is, Lothraxion was a member of the Legion when he was turned. And that happened long after they were exiled.

Perhaps he was present at the incursion into the Light, but if he was, that wasn't where he was taken.

edit: Again, this is what you said:

Lothraxion is not manipulating anyone
In terms of what he’s doing he was discovered and then “cleansed” which led to the light attacking revendreth

You're saying he was caught by the Light, cleansed, and the Light retaliated against Revendreth.

But Lothraxion was caught by the Light as a member of the Burning Legion, and relatively recently too. They would've retaliated against the Legion (which they were already doing via the Army of the Light anyway).

[Revamp Man]

The issue is, Lothraxion was a member of the Legion when he was turned. And that happened long after they were exiled.

Perhaps he was present at the incursion into the Light, but if he was, that wasn't where he was taken.

Or they believed that he was an agent of the legion and then attacked revendreth and denathrius was like “yo I didn’t know what was happening I’m gonna exile them”
While already having his agents out and about

It’s also possible it’s a slight retcon because we have 0 information about an actual timeline until they provide another book talking about it

[Sondrelk]

Until we get some direct proof there is really no way to conclusively state where most of the Dreadlord stuff happened in the timeline.

Could be that Denathrius sent them out to infiltrate the light specifically, failed, then sent them to Nathreza to join the Void and Fel.
Or it could just as easily be that due to the relativistic flow of time in the Shadowlands compared to the regular universe or even the Twisting nether that the entire thing of the Dreadlords creating the Burning Legion with Sargeras, then attempting to infiltrate the Army of Light all happened before they were exiled. It's not like the Revendreth war against the light is ever claimed to be something that happened at the beginning of time.

Regardless, regarding Lothraxion whether the incursion of the light happened before or after his supposed conversion into a Lightforged is mostly irrelevant anyways. His supposed plan depended on an attempt at lightforging him, so at worst the Light succesfully converted him despite his plans to resist or he went through with the plan. When it happened in the timeline is almost completely irrelevant.

[TheFirstOnes]

Their exiling was certainly part of Denathrius' tricks, but they were still effectively exiled, or did you just forget that they weren't really in Revendreth (barring any spies in disguise) until recently?

Denathrius "exiled" them to a world outside the Shadowlands, in other words, Nathreza, and they were eventually found out there and then recruited into the Legion.

Like I said, the timeline people are trying to put forward, that Lothraxion was part of the initial incursion, doesn't really fit. Unless you can show me something that says otherwise?

Mal'ganis explicitly states they were never "exiled" lol

[Makabreska]

Mal'ganis explicitly states they were never "exiled" lol

He meant they were absent from the zone.

[Sondrelk]

So when do people reckon the next Blizzcon will be? Are anyone thinking Blizzcon will be delayed again?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

So when do people reckon the next Blizzcon will be? Are anyone thinking Blizzcon will be delayed again?

My guess, maybe not this year but probably next year. Honestly I don't know...

[TheFirstOnes]

Yeah...they're Sisters alright.

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I got an idea: What if the Sepulcher Zovaal is looking for is on Azeroth's Moon? Could not be, but still...

Would make a LOT of sense imo.

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That way, the Pantheon of Life, Elune, etc can all be introduced with the Moon, Reality's invasion from the Jailer, and the Gardens of Life being the central parts of it all.