Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Holdodlig]

He looks like how I would imagine Zovaal to be, tbh. Sargeras in his Fel state looks like a Demon but bigger. Zovaal is Mawsworn but bigger, cause he MADE THEM!!!

This. Not surprising someone using DOMINATION magic wants to shape the world to its image and thus, his army.

[Nightshade711]

I get a Dragon class because they get an azerothian race as their disguise, (Or Draenei if that particular Dragon is a moron) but humanoid drakonids would just be a race. Drakonids & Drakes can't transform into other races. That's just a Dragon thing.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Lord_Hiram_Creed
Drakonid turning into a human in cata and using it to infiltrate Gilneas.

Zuluhed the Whacked is a netherwing Drakonid that turns into an Orc/ vice versa.
Just sayin

[Teriz]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Lord_Hiram_Creed
Drakonid turning into a human in cata.

Zuluhed the Whacked is a netherwing Drakonid that turns into an Orc/ vice versa.
Just sayin

I believe what Ersula is saying is that it just being a race sort of limits its purpose. Essentially you're getting Worgen 2.0. A Dragonborne class allows the player to fully immerse themselves in being a dragon.

[Jekyll]

I want Dragonmaw Orc. They should get a race that allows them to skin ALL types of Dragons and Dragon-Classes.

[Nightshade711]

I believe what Ersula is saying is that it just being a race sort of limits its purpose. Essentially you're getting Worgen 2.0. A Dragonborne class allows the player to fully immerse themselves in being a dragon.

They’re not gonna make a class/race based around being a dragon.
Drakonids and MAYBE a dragonsworn class are the closest we’re ever gonna get.

[username993720]

Time magic is not the theme of the Arcane spec;

Arcane: Manipulates raw Arcane magic, destroying enemies with overwhelming power.

It is part of Arcane's qualities:

Master of Time
Talent
Requires Mage (Arcane)
Requires level 25
Reduces the cooldown of Alter Time by 30 sec.

Alter Time resets the cooldown of Blink when you return to your original location.

Chrono Shift
Talent
Requires Mage (Arcane)
Requires level 40
Arcane Barrage slows enemies by 50% and increases your movement speed by 50% for 5 sec.

Time Anomaly
Talent
Requires Mage (Arcane)
Requires level 50
At any moment, you have a chance to gain Arcane Power for 8 sec, gain Evocation for 1 sec, or gain Time Warp for 6 sec.

Temporal Shield PvP Talent
Tank Specs – Row 1 PvP Talent
3% of base mana
Instant 45 sec cooldown
Requires Mage (Arcane)
Requires level 30
Envelops you in a temporal shield for 4 sec. 100% of all damage taken while shielded will be instantly restored when the shield ends.

Time Warp
4% of base mana
Instant 5 min cooldown
Requires Mage
Requires level 49
Warp the flow of time, increasing haste by 30% for all party and raid members for 40 sec.

Allies will be unable to benefit from Bloodlust, Heroism, or Time Warp again for 10 min.

Slow
1% of base mana 35 yd range
Instant
Requires Mage (Arcane)
Requires level 12
Reduces the target's movement speed by 50% for 15 sec.

Alter Time
1% of base mana
Instant 1 min cooldown
Requires Mage (Arcane)
Requires level 19
Alters the fabric of time, returning you to your current location and health when cast a second time, or after 10 seconds. Effect negated by long distance or death.

Arcane Pulse Nightborne Racial
Instant 3 min cooldown
Deals (Attack power * 0.5) Arcane damage to nearby enemies and reduces their movement speed by 50%. Lasts 12 sec.

Again, a spec based on the Bronze Dragonflight would not overlap with Arcane mages.

It would. Its use of time magic. Not to mention Chromie already uses the Mage's Dragon's Breath.

Not the point. The point is that the vast majority of players prefer to play pretty races. Now, does that mean that Blizzard should only produce races with supermodels? Probably not. However, if the option for the same race is pretty or ugly, I can't imagine Blizzard choosing the ugly, less popular option.

They would if it is a badass race like the Vrykul, the Ogre or the Mogu, for example.

It's the established lore that allows dragons to become a playable class.

Many existing concepts have established lore. Some moreso than Dragons. It doesn't make them into candidates. Example: RPG classes.

That you have draconic characters in WoW that are similar to the Druid class, and Blizzard is well aware of it.

Huh? Again, they have always been able to transform. What do the pictures add?

Again, it's like saying that Destruction Warlock is the same as Fire Mage.

They are very close. That's why you see archetypes like the Blood Mage verging on both.

Exactly. A Timewalker spec (Bronze) using the sands of time as a mechanic is not going to cause Arcane to be altered or changed in any way. Especially not the way Demon Hunters significantly altered the Warlock class.

They obviously would share the same time mechanics.

again, Wiki clearly states Arcane is also about time manipulation, on top of spec having plenty of "time" spells and talents. Teriz was basing his ravings purely on a short, in-game spec description. He saw no word "time" there, he decided Arcane is not about time.

The original description:
"Manipulates arcane energies, playing with the very fabric of time and space."

Dragon Breath Launch 3 blasts into the air that land every 0.75 seconds toward the targeted direction, dealing 215 damage each.

Dragon's Breath
4% of base mana
Instant 20 sec cooldown
Requires Mage (Fire)
Requires level 27
Enemies in a cone in front of you take (58.25% of Spell power) Fire damage and are disoriented for 4 sec. Damage will cancel the effect.

That's not the point; you can have two specs based around the same source, but give them completely different functionality/role/gameplay. That's why most "Chronomage" concepts are Healing Specs.

By your argument, how are paladins allowed to have 3 specs? It's the same Light magic, just used on three different ways; A DPS Arcane spec versus a Healer Time Warping spec would fill completelly different roles.

I know it's easy to gang up on Teriz for his bad takes, but he's not the one in the wrong on this one. The Arcane spec is not "about" time magic, just because time magic shares the same source of power it doesn't meant it fullfills the same function/role, just like a Holy Paladin is not the same than a Retribution one.

Time magic has not been used to heal.

Again, having a couple of abilities from a theme does not make the ENTIRE spec about that theme. Yes, Time magic is a part of Arcane magic, but the Arcane spec is not entirely about time magic. Thus once again, a spec that IS entirely about time magic (revolving around temporal sands no less) would not encroach on Arcane's themes.

That's the point.

But, a new class can't have existing themes, remember? That's why the Tinker is "supposedly" the only class out there left for addition.

Once again, your own ridiculous arguments come to bite you in your ass.

[Teriz]

They’re not gonna make a class/race based around being a dragon.

Nothing prevents them from doing so.

[Raetary]

Overlapping schools of magic don't mean anything, the game has 3 pairs of classes that overlap in thar regard. (Lock-DH, Hunter-Druid, Pala-Priest) and 2 additional pairs that do some partially (FDk - FMage, Spriest - Sublety).

Arcane using some time related spells does not mean we can't have a full fledged Chronomancy type Spec/Class alongside it, as despite Arcane mages being 'masters of time and space' the spec primarily focuses on the use of raw arcane power (literally) to deal damage rather than fully revolving around winding time back and forth.

Time magic has not been used to heal.

???

Alter Time literally heals you.
And in wod when we fought Kairoz, if you weren't the one healing it was Chromie that did.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Time magic has not been used to heal.

lmao. I mean Frost magic hasn't been used to make a tank spec, but it also makes complete sense it could be used in such a way. Same reason as to why so many Earth based Shaman Tank specs also exist.

Question is, is your thinking that limited, or are you being obtuse to piss off Teriz, cause I can at least understand the later.

[Teriz]

Dragon's Breath
4% of base mana
Instant 20 sec cooldown
Requires Mage (Fire)
Requires level 27
Enemies in a cone in front of you take (58.25% of Spell power) Fire damage and are disoriented for 4 sec. Damage will cancel the effect.

That has literally nothing to do with Chromie's version. The spells do entirely different things.

But, a new class can't have existing themes, remember? That's why the Tinker is "supposedly" the only class out there left for addition.

Again, where is the current WoW class using the sands of time as a method of attack and control? I'm not aware of one.

[Jekyll]

Can you guys take your dragon fanfics into the fanfic threads?

[Nightshade711]

Nothing prevents them from doing so.

There’s quite a lot preventing them from doing so just from a gameplay/mechanical perspective that’s already been discussed here.
It’s not gonna happen.

Dragonsworn could be a possibility. Full on dragons? Nah. Blizzard doesn’t like designing whole fights around one class.

[Raetary]

I want Dragonmaw Orc. They should get a race that allows them to skin ALL types of Dragons and Dragon-Classes.

Dragonmaw Orcs are already playable.

[Teriz]

There’s quite a lot preventing them from doing so just from a gameplay/mechanical perspective that’s already been discussed here.
It’s not gonna happen.

Nothing you brought up is a significant problem that Blizzard couldn't overcome. I mean one of your issues were hitbox size, as if Blizzard doesn't have experience in that department, or that a dragon of this size;



Would blind an entire raid and make them unable to see a massive raid boss.

[Jekyll]

Dragonmaw Orcs are already playable.

Nope. Dragonmaw Orcs has bluish-grey skin with glowing eyes, and are corrupted by fel magic as well, unlike Mag'har Orcs. They are not playable. There are friendly Dragonmaw NPCs, but you can't customize your Orc with Dragonmaw skin.

[Nightshade711]

Nothing you brought up is a significant problem that Blizzard couldn't overcome. I mean one of your issues were hitbox size, as if Blizzard doesn't have experience in that department, or that a dragon of this size;



Would blind an entire raid and make them unable to see a massive raid boss.

Except there’s never been a time where players would be that big in content for several raids/dungeons.

Take a look at the two final bosses of the last two raids. Both have mechanics that’re either packed together and/or on a very small platform.
Having a huge hitbox means you’d easily get hit by mechanics in PvE (not even counting dungeons like Tol Dagor).
And that’s all just talking about the PvE issues…PvP is another whole can of worms.

[username993720]

Nothing prevents them from doing so.

Their addition pattern.

???

Alter Time literally heals you.

Others.

And in wod when we fought Kairoz, if you weren't the one healing it was Chromie that did.

Chromie isn't a healer in HotS.

lmao. I mean Frost magic hasn't been used to make a tank spec, but it also makes complete sense it could be used in such a way. Same reason as to why so many Earth based Shaman Tank specs also exist.

You mean in concept?

That has literally nothing to do with Chromie's version. The spells do entirely different things.

Their names are identical.
Her Dragon's Breath is, literally, a sand version of Flamestrike.

Dragon's Breath
65 Mana Cooldown: 14 seconds
Launch 3 blasts into the air that land every 0.75 seconds toward the targeted direction, dealing 215 damage each.


Flamestrike
2.5% of base mana 40 yd range
4 sec cast
Requires Mage (Fire)
Requires level 17
Calls down a pillar of fire, burning all enemies within the area for (54.756% of Spell power) Fire damage and reducing their movement speed by 20% for 8 sec.

Again, where is the current WoW class using the sands of time as a method of attack and control? I'm not aware of one.

Just a matter of recoloration.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

The latter. A taste of his own medicine.

Carry on then I guess. This whole conversation just isn't on good faith so what's even the point.

[Raetary]

Nope. Dragonmaw Orcs has bluish-grey skin with glowing eyes, and are corrupted by fel magic as well

I dunno dude, they look identitcal.

[Zers Editor]

Gotta admit, the stuff Jake Lefkowitz did for 9.2 is some of the best this game had since Legion.