Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[TheFirstOnes]

Sargeras is an awakened Titan while Azeroth is a slumbering World Soul... and that story happened when the planet was in its early stage. I doubt it...

I know this? Why can't the Earth Mother, who I'm saying is moreso a manifestation or avatar of Azeroth's World Soul, not look the exact same as Azeroth's World Soul? The appearance looks of a rather young woman, and she looks "gorgeous" as she's filled with plants, nature, beauty, etc. So, either way...

Sargeras liking her would make sense, especially since her appearance is so...opposite to Sargeras' ugly ass demonic, flaming appearance.

[Cosmic Janitor]

That would be a possibility but we know that Azeroth got eyes... she opened one when Sargeras was on Azeroth the first time as Fel Titan.
So I think its more likely that Azeroth is the last creation of the Earth Mother. So I would put her more in the First One category.
Since Elune is very likely a Eternal and An'she probably aswell it would make sense if they are the children of an even more powerful entity.

You ascribe alot meaning to the myths and legends of one of the least developed sentient races on the planet. The children of the titan's whose very job it was to nurture her, have probably forgotten more about Azeroth than the tauren will ever know, yet they have none of these depictions.

[huth]

That would be a possibility but we know that Azeroth got eyes... she opened one when Sargeras was on Azeroth the first time as Fel Titan.

IIRC, that was more of a vision, not a physical object.

[Dracullus]

Shit, looks like some Renown levels 40-80 no longer increase Anima from regular world quests, so I guess 7x35 (+ war mode) will be max. They instead increase Anima from elite world quest (probably from 250 to 2x250) and dungeon/PVP Oribos quests.

Overall, flying will be much, much better boost to Anima. Imo people that care about it will easily finish everything during 9.1. On my main that builded all when recent boost started I stop Anima farm just because I could get everything from vendors in few weeks, in 9.1 I'll just get plenty doing stuff I would do anyway (and I don't want to switch covenant).

[UndedoKoleda]

My prediction is that 10.0 will be a Void - centered expansion. Anduin becoming (semi?) undead feels like foreshadowing, considering that the forces of Death are immune to the mind games and manipulations of the Void. Plus, he is already a champion of the Light. Blizzard making such a drastic move with him can't be random.

[Sondrelk]

My prediction is that 10.0 will be a Void - centered expansion. Anduin becoming (semi?) undead feels like foreshadowing, considering that the forces of Death are immune to the mind games and manipulations of the Void. Plus, he is already a champion of the Light. Blizzard making such a drastic move with him can't be random.

Undead are not immune to old god whispers, this myth has persisted long enough. What actually happens is that the scourge were immune to Yogg-saron's whispers because they were already controlled. Undead can join, and indeed have joined old god cults before.

[UndedoKoleda]

Undead are not immune to old god whispers, this myth has persisted long enough. What actually happens is that the scourge were immune to Yogg-saron's whispers because they were already controlled. Undead can join, and indeed have joined old god cults before.

IIRC the cultists undead in the Twilight Hammer weren't "brainwashed" to serve, they did so on their own free will, so that still doesn't make them mind-controllable by the Void.

[huth]

IIRC the cultists undead in the Twilight Hammer weren't "brainwashed" to serve, they did so on their own free will, so that still doesn't make them mind-controllable by the Void.

None of the Twilight Hammer cultists were, though. That isn't evidence it isn't possible, it's evidence they are fanatics.

Undead are more resistant to the whispers, but not immune. They just have very dulled emotions, so it's hard to drive them insane.

[UndedoKoleda]

None of the Twilight Hammer cultists were, though. That isn't evidence it isn't possible, it's evidence they are fanatics.

Undead are more resistant to the whispers, but not immune. They just have very dulled emotions, so it's hard to drive them insane.

Is there any instance of them not being immune, because I can't think of any?

EDIT: It was never confirmed that they are indeed immune to it, but I got the impression that this is the reason why the Void is "afraid" of Death, because it can't break it and control it the way they can do with the other cosmic forces. Like how the Void insisted on Alleria killing Sylvanas, the random prophecies of that thing in the Emerald Nightmare and so on.

[Cherry123]

Shadowlands was released seven months ago..... still no date 9.1 and they need to present new expansion this year. They're in deep ass

[Dracullus]

Shadowlands was released seven months ago..... still no date 9.1 and they need to present new expansion this year. They're in deep ass

1. 6 months ago.
2. Date of patch is revealed 1-2 weeks before (with some exceptions like 8.1). Logic and data point to date around June 29th.
3. They don't need to present new expansion this year, especially since doesn't seems like we will have Blizzcon. They need to reveal it around launch of last patch, so people have always something to wait for in distance.
4. Yes, I bet all these TBC money from whales put them in deeeeep shit.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Shadowlands was released seven months ago..... still no date 9.1 and they need to present new expansion this year. They're in deep ass

Work from Home, World Pandemic is the factor you conveniently left out.

[Sondrelk]

Is there any instance of them not being immune, because I can't think of any?

EDIT: It was never confirmed that they are indeed immune to it, but I got the impression that this is the reason why the Void is "afraid" of Death, because it can't break it and control it the way they can do with the other cosmic forces. Like how the Void insisted on Alleria killing Sylvanas, the random prophecies of that thing in the Emerald Nightmare and so on.

There are undead shadow priests in lore, which is proof enough honestly, at least until we get concrete definite proof to the contary.

The more sensible reason Void would be afraid of death is that when somehting dies it cannot be controlled. Undead are in fact not dead, that is why you call them UNdead.
Admittedly this point is shaky with the introduction of the Shadowlands, but we have no reason to assume they cannot get controlled, or at least then why undead would be immune despite no longer being either inhabitants of teh Shadowlands or even dead at all.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

There are undead shadow priests in lore, which is proof enough honestly, at least until we get concrete definite proof to the contary.

The more sensible reason Void would be afraid of death is that when somehting dies it cannot be controlled. Undead are in fact not dead, that is why you call them UNdead.
Admittedly this point is shaky with the introduction of the Shadowlands, but we have no reason to assume they cannot get controlled, or at least then why undead would be immune despite no longer being either inhabitants of teh Shadowlands or even dead at all.

I think its the process of getting dragged from the Shadowlands back into the world of the living, or just going from the living supposed to go to the SL but get pushed into the maw for the time being and you get "altered" and go back to the Living, avoiding Arbiter Judgement and such.


Edit: Doesn't mean I'm right, I'm just guessing, so no quoting >.>

[huth]

Is there any instance of them not being immune, because I can't think of any?

EDIT: It was never confirmed that they are indeed immune to it, but I got the impression that this is the reason why the Void is "afraid" of Death, because it can't break it and control it the way they can do with the other cosmic forces. Like how the Void insisted on Alleria killing Sylvanas, the random prophecies of that thing in the Emerald Nightmare and so on.

Actually, there was evidence of Scourge undead being affected in WotLK. So even that doesn't actually make you immune.

[Edward Wu]

People will once again call me a hater but I really believe they should end SL in 9.2, genuinely for the long-term health of the game.

This expansion is just not working out from both a gameplay and store standpoint. Release 9.1.5 in the fall and make it have some nice quality of life features to get peolpe back into playing and not feel like so much of it is a chore, then use Blizzcon in Nov 2021 to generate hype for an epic 10.0 that promises huge redesign overhaul of the game based on the myriad of issues felt by the community, and then focus on outputting 9.2 in the spring of 2022.

Let's get 'er done.

[Sondrelk]

People will once again call me a hater but I really believe they should end SL in 9.2, genuinely for the long-term health of the game.

This expansion is just not working out from both a gameplay and store standpoint. Release 9.1.5 in the fall and make it have some nice quality of life features to get peolpe back into playing and not feel like so much of it is a chore, then use Blizzcon in Nov 2021 to generate hype for an epic 10.0 that promises huge redesign overhaul of the game based on the myriad of issues felt by the community, and then focus on outputting 9.2 in the spring of 2022.

Let's get 'er done.

I dunno. I agree it should end early on the basis that I don't particuarly enjoy SL as a concept, but it's hardly an unsalvageable concept or expansion in general. It definitely suffers from an extra long initial launch as opposed to the swift X.1 patches we have gotten before, but the content we have does function like it should, and I sincerely doubt that most players have gotten close to the bottom of their chosen covenants reward system, let alone 4. And that is without significant RNG like with the islands of 8.0.

Genuinely, what does SL lack that a "proper" expansion would have had at this point that wouldnt be new patches? BfA had marginally more content if you counted the two level and endgame faction stories as completely separate, and Legion had less by far.

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And honestly, if the SL power scaling systems is reason to end the expansion early then BfA and Legion has it beat by far, what with their boring grinds and obtuse RNG based means of power upgrades.

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If your argument was that they should end it early to focus their entire team on 10.0 to really make it solid as a means of regaining their footing after a lack of knockout releases then sure, but don't pretend like it is because SL is just that bad.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

People wanting it to end are very likely the same people who whined during WoD during the long wait. No, the expansion should continue like normal then ending it cause some people feel its a "chore or consider it "bad." Its never worth it. A "proper" expansion or at least the ones look favorably weren't just abandoned to move on to the next one. Hell they even had timegating in all of them(I really am getting tired of people saying timegating as a auto win argument).

[Sondrelk]

People wanting it to end are very likely the same people who whined during WoD during the long wait. No, the expansion should continue like normal then ending it cause some people feel its a "chore."

I feel this expansion is a special enough case that Blizzard could realistically end it early if they really felt it was necessary, but I wouldnt say it is a definite thing.
If Blizzard ends this expansion early it will be because of Covid and general time crunch in relation to the next expansion, not because this expansion is particularly terrible.

[Edward Wu]

People wanting it to end are very likely the same people who whined during WoD during the long wait. No, the expansion should continue like normal then ending it cause some people feel its a "chore or consider it "bad." Its never worth it. A "proper" expansion or at least the ones look favorably weren't just abandoned to move on to the next one. Hell they even had timegating in all of them(I really am getting tired of people saying timegating as a auto win argument).

I didn't whine at all during the WoD wait, so your baseless accusation already holds no water. Why do people like you consider it a WoD situation if they end it in 9.2, anyway? it literally isn't. WoD had a single content patch and if SL ends in 9.2, then it would have double the content patches and more than 2x the actual content released.

What you fail to see, which is rather amazing, is that the timeline of the current patch release does not allow for a 9.2.5 and 9.3 without making it a literal 3-year expansion cycle, which would be the longest expansion cycle ever, for an expansion that has not been well received at all and had enormous player drop-off.

Leave the bitterness out of it and think a little objectively, please. I know you can do it.