Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Raetary]

Yeah, she can come back. But she wont come back. Because no one would get hyped or cared if she came back.

Why is that relevant?

Why can't she come back to fullfil a secondary/minor role?
You know, like in the very expansion we are currently playing?

[Lahis]

Literally every single character in the game can come back. This is such a stupid argument. They could create some convoluted reason to bring Garrosh back.

Does Yrel's right hand man Exarch Hellscream count?

[Zulggun]

Is there actually some proof that stuff got cut instead just assuming? Like with WoD where we got tons of stuff datamined and concept art?

[Alanar]

They are absolutely gonna bring her back, that's the whole point of banishing her back to Helheim isntead of just making us cut her into pieces.

We didnt even fight her.. she just had a cameo with Odyn. Many though more was goijg to happen down the line as the story of helya and Odyn is still only partly told. Odyn is still the hero altho the story said something else.

She was like you said pushed back.. in no shape or form did we cut of her head or have some kind of closure with her. She felt random at best.. almost as some stuff got cut.

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Does Yrel's right hand man Exarch Hellscream count?

Was it sure he was even killed?

[Dracullus]

That pace was really amazing

Spliting raid and story patches was really smart. Question is, did they really abandon this model or delayed 8.1 and 9.1 forced them to release all at once (because 2-3 months post launch we need new content, but not really new raid, after that we need new tier all well).

[Landrisser]

You have no idea wtf you’re talking about

Now post that without crying.

[Sondrelk]

Spliting raid and story patches was really smart. Question is, did they really abandon this model or delayed 8.1 and 9.1 forced them to release all at once (because 2-3 months post launch we need new content, but not really new raid, after that we need new tier all well).

I think they just stopped doing it since it required keeping a tight grip over exactly when content would release, and this would fall apart as soon as something didn't release like they hoped to.

But yeah, they should have kept trying to refine it. It made each major patch less impactful by itself, but it did massively improve feeling like you had something to look forward to.

[Makabreska]

She's *essentially* dead. We are done with Death-related content. No one cares about Helya. This was her expansion to shine. They are not gonna bring her back.

Shine my ass. She was completely wasted in SL. One brief appearance during opening quests and second during Korthia campaign. But I'm not complaining really, we had enough of her.

[Cherry123]

Have we ever had 1.30 second cinematic? I just don't understand how they are going
- destroy the kingsmourne
- complete the fate of Arthas
- show Anduin's suffering
- show Anduin's fight against Jaina and friends

and all this must be done in 1 minute 30 seconds

[Santandame]

Drust were seemingly set up as a much larger threat with a bunch of plots about them completely dropped. It seemed like there was gonna be an Emerald Nightmare style raid about them.

I imagine the Drust will just be used as an evergreen threat for future expansions; similar to the likes of the Gnolls, Murlocs, Quillboar etc but in the higher tiers like the Scourge, Demons, Naga, Qiraji, Scarlets, etc.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Devourers cross over somehow.

This way for a potential future world revamp expansion, we can have zones peppered with: Drust, Scourge, Demons, Naga, Qiraji, Scarlets, Bloodsail, Venture Co, Botani and maybe Devourers as our ''higher up'' enemies - and the likes of Saberon, Gnolls, Quilboar, Murlocs, Kobolds, Troggs etc as our usual standard lower level enemies.

Maybe throw in some hostile Light scouting parties sent by Yrel to plant some seeds of their future appearance.

[Makabreska]

I imagine the Drust will just be used as an evergreen threat for future expansions; similar to the likes of the Gnolls, Murlocs, Quillboar etc but in the higher tiers like the Scourge, Demons, Naga, Qiraji, Scarlets, etc.

They need some tangible reason to constantly pop up, because compared to other races they got kicked out of our dimension. I don't think we will see much of them.

[Lady Atia]

I imagine the Drust will just be used as an evergreen threat for future expansions; similar to the likes of the Gnolls, Murlocs, Quillboar etc but in the higher tiers like the Scourge, Demons, Naga, Qiraji, Scarlets, etc.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Devourers cross over somehow.

This way for a potential future world revamp expansion, we can have zones peppered with: Drust, Scourge, Demons, Naga, Qiraji, Scarlets, Bloodsail, Venture Co, Botani and maybe Devourers as our ''higher up'' enemies - and the likes of Saberon, Gnolls, Quilboar, Murlocs, Kobolds, Troggs etc as our usual standard lower level enemies.

Maybe throw in some hostile Light scouting parties sent by Yrel to plant some seeds of their future appearance.

Yeah same goes for the Devourers - that said both their origin place and Thros could be easy mid patches for MoP/BfA style expansions.

[Nyel]

Drust were seemingly set up as a much larger threat with a bunch of plots about them completely dropped. It seemed like there was gonna be an Emerald Nightmare style raid about them.

The Drust are very overrated in my opinion. People just make more out of them as there really is (at this point).

[Santandame]

They need some tangible reason to constantly pop up, because compared to other races they got kicked out of our dimension. I don't think we will see much of them.

The same way they showed up in Drustvar - magic. That's all the explanation thats needed.

''Somehow Palpatine returned.''

[therumblings]

The Drust are very overrated in my opinion. People just make more out of them as there really is (at this point).

They are just seafaring druidic Vrykul, but they were cool, and people wanted more than just a dungeon boss, I'm glad we got something in SL, still not satisfying though.

[Santandame]

The Drust are very overrated in my opinion. People just make more out of them as there really is (at this point).

I'm confused, what do you mean when you say people make them out as more than they actually are? I don't think anyone has presented them as a true expansion box cover threat. They are easily a raid worthy threat, though.

[Nyel]

I'm confused, what do you mean when you say people make them out as more than they actually are? I don't think anyone has presented them as a true expansion box cover threat. They are easily a raid worthy threat, though.

Exactly that. What makes them "raid worthy"? I guess each and every threat can be made raid worthy, so that's not telling much. Could we go to Thros? Sure. But I just find them very lacking overall. Sethrak in BfA definitely could have gotten a raid, the same can be said about basically every (minor) threat we faced in the last years.

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They are just seafaring druidic Vrykul, but they were cool, and people wanted more than just a dungeon boss, I'm glad we got something in SL, still not satisfying though.

That I don't disagree with.

[Sondrelk]

Have we ever had 1.30 second cinematic? I just don't understand how they are going
- destroy the kingsmourne
- complete the fate of Arthas
- show Anduin's suffering
- show Anduin's fight against Jaina and friends

and all this must be done in 1 minute 30 seconds

I think you are underestimating how long one and a half minute really is, and for that matter overestimating how much they are going to attempt showing in the cinematic. Most likely the cinematic will begin with Anduin falling over, then something with Uther and Arthas, then done.

Destroying Kingsmourne would take 10 seconds at most, and that is if it even needs to be destroyed at all, or for that matter if the cinematic begins with the sword destroyed.

[Santandame]

Exactly that. What makes them "raid worthy"? I guess each and every threat can be made raid worthy, so that's not telling much. Could we go to Thros? Sure. But I just find them very lacking overall. Sethrak in BfA definitely could have gotten a raid, the same can be said about basically every (minor) threat we faced in the last years.

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That I don't disagree with.

Using that argument what made the Highmaul Ogres raid worthy? The Mogu on the Isle of Thunder? The Sha of Fear?

They were one of the primary levelling threats in both BfA and SL. In fact they were the primary threat of one of the four covenants in SL and their main campaign. They are clearly more powerful than your more standard run of the mill villains with a lot more intrigue and mystery tied to them.

Sethrak probably could have made a raid, yes. But their story was pretty much resolved with the Temple of Sethrallis dungeon and Vol'dun questline.

Conversely, across two expansions, two zones, and two dungeons the Drust/Thros storyline is still left very much open ended.

They would make a perfect reoccurring villain in a grounded, world revamp style expansion, complete with a dungeon and small raid for a first raid tier.

[Sondrelk]

Yeah same goes for the Devourers - that said both their origin place and Thros could be easy mid patches for MoP/BfA style expansions.

It's so weird to me how the Devourers never got explained at all. You would have thought that weird mythic creatures who feed on anima for no good reason who inexplicably appear during an anima drought would have some sort of narrative purpose. Even more so with the whole predetermined universe angle this patch is going for.

I mean, a quick explanation that they ensure noone finds Zereth Mortis by keeping people away from the in-between, and simultaneously keep a barrier up by feeding it anima would have been fine.