Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Varodoc]

These situations are not even comparable with the conflict rn. WW3 can be easily started by this conflict, the war in Iraq of Afghanistan was always local. I!m not saying this is the only war that's ever happened, but its consequences could be much worse than a war in Iraq.

Also, I basically agreed with your statement in my 2nd paragraph, reading issues?

No actually the matter is very simple, there's no reason not to reveal the next expansion in March. Pokemon also revealed their new game just yesterday and it already got 2.2M views in 21 hours, which is ground-breaking.

And Yes btw I fully expect the next expansion to be revealed in March, for two reasons:

1) It's about time they revealed it (if they did like last year and put a BlizzCon Online in February, it would have been revealed already);

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2) Once the cinematic for the Janitor comes out and the Sylvanas novel comes out, there will be nothing left to spoil/hide. So what are we waiting for exactly?

This argument shouldn't have been made in the first place, because Pokemon revealed their next game yesterday. Very clearly the gaming world goes on even in time of war.

[kecmo]

No actually the matter is very simple, there's no reason not to reveal the next expansion in March. Pokemon also revealed their new game just yesterday and it already got 2.2M views in 21 hours, which is ground-breaking.

And Yes btw I fully expect the next expansion to be revealed in March, for two reasons:

1) It's about time they revealed it (if they did like last year and put a BlizzCon Online in February, it would have been revealed already);

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2) Once the cinematic for the Janitor comes out and the Sylvanas novel comes out, there will be nothing left to spoil/hide. So what are we waiting for exactly?

This argument shouldn't have been made in the first place, because Pokemon revealed their next game yesterday. Very clearly the gaming world goes on even in time of war.

Literally this is a quote from my first post "I agree that war shouldn't block Blizzard from announcing their games tho". Ur arguing with yourself at this point.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

These situations are not even comparable with the conflict rn. WW3 can be easily started by this conflict, the war in Iraq of Afghanistan was always local. I!m not saying this is the only war that's ever happened, but its consequences could be much worse than a war in Iraq.

Also, I basically agreed with your statement in my 2nd paragraph, reading issues?

Tell me you don't understand world geopolitics without saying you don't understand world geopolitics.

We're not going to have a nuclear war. Realistically, this will be another cold war, including a sequence of proxy wars in smaller countries. If there is any active conflict between NATO and Russia, it will be like it was in Korea between America and China in that it will be limited in scope to a single region. It actually permits both countries to fight directly without risking global thermonuclear war, and this will continue to be the trajectory of things.

I'm thinking Syria and Taiwan will be next, most likely. Either Russia will fight a NATO-backed Ukraine, or NATO's engagement will be limited only to Ukraine. Even a lunatic like Putin knows that he can only survive if he doesn't stage an invasion, and that's the theory of mutually-assured destruction.

[Vakir]

This has less to do with the actual arguments of whether it can/should be announced and more to do with the sheer withdrawal being experienced making everyone irritable.

It's unimportant. They'll do what they will regardless of what we in a hype thread feel they should. Hopefully they're smarter to do it sooner rather than later.

[micwini]

Than mythic raiding and +20 keys are a waste of ressources (and btw, I'm doing both regulary). You are aware that the amount of people who do everything is actually quite low? Pet Battles is one of the best features the game has ever got, we need more casual stuff like it that breaks out of the "get gear/borrowed power for powerplay treadmill". WoW is supposed to be an RPG - not some esports game, even if some people want that ...

So yes, something casual that's disconnected from power gains like f.e. housing would do wonders to the game. If you don't like it, don't play it.

Player housing is something else entirely than pet battles. Player housing would be a large feature that is connected with other forms of gameplay naturally. Pet Battles is completely separate. I could be a seperate mobile game. Yes we need other shit to break up the same gearing>beat better boss. But they should refrain putting so much resources into a minigame. It should have been an expansion specific feature contained to pandaria and never have been a staple like raids and dungeons are. +20 keys require no extra effort from the devs. It is the same in function as a +12. I hopefully don't need to explain the importance of mythic raiding eventhough it is only done by a small % of the player base.

[kecmo]

Tell me you don't understand world geopolitics without saying you don't understand world geopolitics.

We're not going to have a nuclear war. Realistically, this will be another cold war, including a sequence of proxy wars in smaller countries. If there is any active conflict between NATO and Russia, it will be like it was in Korea between America and China in that it will be limited in scope to a single region. It actually permits both countries to fight directly without risking global thermonuclear war, and this will continue to be the trajectory of things.

I'm thinking Syria and Taiwan will be next, most likely. Either Russia will fight a NATO-backed Ukraine, or NATO's engagement will be limited only to Ukraine. Even a lunatic like Putin knows that he can only survive if he doesn't stage an invasion, and that's the theory of mutually-assured destruction.

Where did I wrote a nuclear war will be started? I just said Russia has a huge military power incl. nukes. Another user arguing with things I never wrote, hope you enjoy the feeling of a won argument, even if it happened only in your head.

[micwini]

Where did I wrote a nuclear war will be started? I just said Russia has a huge military power incl. nukes. Another user arguing with things I never wrote, hope you enjoy the feeling of a won argument, even if it happened only in your head.

You said WW3. WW3 if it happens, will be a nuclear war.

[kecmo]

You said WW3. WW3 if it happens, will be a nuclear war.

Well, that's only your opinion which, thankfully because it's stupid, isn't the same as mine, I never wrote a thing about a nuclear war. thank u, next

[Raetary]

Can we please move the Ukraine discussion to gen-ot?

[Varodoc]

Whatever.

I am expecting the announcement for the announcement to be reported on the MMO-Champion's frontpage in the near future.

[Aucald]

This thread isn't about current events, real-world politics, or the conflict in Ukraine - let's pivot away from these topics and return to discussing future WoW patches and/or expansions.

[Shadochi]

Has it finally happened :O (the ban)

[Lady Atia]

Player housing is something else entirely than pet battles. Player housing would be a large feature that is connected with other forms of gameplay naturally. Pet Battles is completely separate. I could be a seperate mobile game. Yes we need other shit to break up the same gearing>beat better boss. But they should refrain putting so much resources into a minigame. It should have been an expansion specific feature contained to pandaria and never have been a staple like raids and dungeons are. +20 keys require no extra effort from the devs. It is the same in function as a +12. I hopefully don't need to explain the importance of mythic raiding eventhough it is only done by a small % of the player base.

You are aware that battle pets drop from other content like raids, treasures and rares - that's the same amount of connectivity to other forms of gameplay that housing would get? And they were always a feature of WoW since Classic, MoP just added an actual use for them.

[Shadochi]

But IMO i dont believe we will get the announcement before end of the Race. My guess would be the date of the announcement to be given once Race for World First ends on the same day (and announcement in the following days or week later at most)

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Player housing is something else entirely than pet battles. Player housing would be a large feature that is connected with other forms of gameplay naturally. Pet Battles is completely separate. I could be a seperate mobile game. Yes we need other shit to break up the same gearing>beat better boss. But they should refrain putting so much resources into a minigame. It should have been an expansion specific feature contained to pandaria and never have been a staple like raids and dungeons are. +20 keys require no extra effort from the devs. It is the same in function as a +12. I hopefully don't need to explain the importance of mythic raiding eventhough it is only done by a small % of the player base.

And what unique stuff would Player Housing have that it would make it a system more played than pet battles down the line (like 10 years from the release). Also player housing would be a bigger undertaking development wise.

Also I believe Garrisons were an attempt at player housing that wouldn't just be completely ignored, otherwise you would see just a small percentage of people using it past initial release (with the exception of RP population where it would be more popular).

The game is not in a good state for them to try a second game on player housing

[Landrisser]

Both pets and player housing are wastes of resources. Same goes for stuff like Torghast as well. Scrap all gimmick systems and invest in better open world/questing/story content and more dungeons.

And upgrade the player models while you’re at it.

[Alanar]

You will hear it here pretty early on.. whats the point in asking when the announcement is.. when you will just see it soon enough here when ever something big is happening.

Its not like no one would be talking about it, people are thristy here, so dont freaking worry jeez.

[Lady Atia]

Both pets and player housing are wastes of resources. Same goes for stuff like Torghast as well. Scrap all gimmick systems and invest in better open world/questing/story content and more dungeons.

And upgrade the player models while you’re at it.

I actually like Torghast, especially in the Twisting Corridors and Jailers Gauntlet modes because they were a "hard but once a time thing". That said the problem with normal Torghast was that Blizzard forced you to do it atleast twice per week so it became a boring chore instead of a fun side feature. But than again Korthia had the same problem - they shouldn't force players to do these side activities for power gains, content needs to stand on its own legs instead.

And that's something that Pet Battles does quite well.

[Sondrelk]

Player housing is something else entirely than pet battles. Player housing would be a large feature that is connected with other forms of gameplay naturally. Pet Battles is completely separate. I could be a seperate mobile game. Yes we need other shit to break up the same gearing>beat better boss. But they should refrain putting so much resources into a minigame. It should have been an expansion specific feature contained to pandaria and never have been a staple like raids and dungeons are. +20 keys require no extra effort from the devs. It is the same in function as a +12. I hopefully don't need to explain the importance of mythic raiding eventhough it is only done by a small % of the player base.

Pet battles is absolutely the same as what housing would ideally be.
A vestigial nub of gameplay hanging onto the main gameplay that a few players absolutely love.

Pet battles are just the endpoint of a whole load of main gameplay adjacent content revolving around gathering various cosmetic critters around the world. Whether that means the ones you find runking around normally, the rarer ones you buy it find on rares, or even specific rewards from bosses or achievements.

Player hosunt would essentially be the same gameplay loop. One specific end goal of building a house, connected to the main gameplay loop in the form of going around gathering a whole bunch of stuff.

[Shadochi]

Pet battles is absolutely the same as what housing would ideally be.
A vestigial nub of gameplay hanging onto the main gameplay that a few players absolutely love.

Pet battles are just the endpoint of a whole load of main gameplay adjacent content revolving around gathering various cosmetic critters around the world. Whether that means the ones you find runking around normally, the rarer ones you buy it find on rares, or even specific rewards from bosses or achievements.

Player hosunt would essentially be the same gameplay loop. One specific end goal of building a house, connected to the main gameplay loop in the form of going around gathering a whole bunch of stuff.

Honestly I want them to add pet battle dungeons that are not solo (or raids?). I haven't done much of the pet battles, plan on doing it but always delaying, but I would surely play more of it if it had a mobile app (on the bus, the toilet, whenever I would otherwise just scroll reddit on phone).

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Send me ideas for items to put on a 10.0 reveal bingo card

[Syegfryed]

Playerhousing is such an easy to make players engaged, just make something minor fully customizable and a lot of people would expand hours decorating and putting stuff there, or even hanging out.

Garrison big problem to me was how little control you ahd over your own thing, you can't decide who stays there, who to kick out and only having one thematic.