Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Fiercelord]

Oh, thanks lmao
I didn't even notice since I'm not actually watching, just checking out HP% from time to time

[Vakir]

When you can dominate people so easily, yeah you'd develop an arrogance to.


And generic lost its meaning long ago.

We should be so thankful to the Jailer, then, by being able to restore it to its original meaning by being the walking embodiment of it.

Defending the fucking Jailer is jackhammering through the bottom underneath the bottom of the barrel.

[Sondrelk]

When you can dominate people so easily, yeah you'd develop an arrogance to.


And generic lost its meaning long ago.

Generic is probably the wrong word.
Boring and Bland are probably better descriptors of Zovaal

He doesn't have the distinct visual identity of Deathwing. The player knowledge and engagement of someone like Arthas.
Not even the strong goals of someone like Garrosh. He is just a villain who goes around being evil for nebulous reason we don't really know.

Zovaal is the worst kind of character, since he doesn't even have anything for players to latch onto except how much of a waste his character is.

[Valysar]

17% wype for Cute Anime Girls, soon™

[Lamoth]

We should be so thankful to the Jailer, then, by being able to restore it to its original meaning by being the walking embodiment of it.

Defending the fucking Jailer is jackhammering through the bottom underneath the bottom of the barrel.

So no actual arguments again? You not liking specific archetype of adversary does not make it badly executed.

[Revamp Man]

Any links to streams of guilds at Anduin?

Like 4 posts above

[Lamoth]

Generic is probably the wrong word.
Boring and Bland are probably better descriptors of Zovaal

He doesn't have the distinct visual identity of Deathwing. The player knowledge and engagement of someone like Arthas.
Not even the strong goals of someone like Garrosh. He is just a villain who goes around being evil for nebulous reason we don't really know.

Zovaal is the worst kind of character, since he doesn't even have anything for players to latch onto except how much of a waste his character is.

The only bit of the above that is true - is the Arthas one, indeed, no preestablished story is a weakness of the Jailer character.

Everything else is not true - he is visually unique (etherial chains, etc), his goals are way more established then Garrosh just being angry arrogant alpha, and he does not go around being 'evil' - he methodically executes his plans which are not evil at all in his perspective.

[Vakir]

So no actual arguments again? You not liking specific archetype of adversary does not make it badly executed.

There's tons of other well made versions of the same archetype. MU and AU Gul'dan is purely malevolent but had charisma. Zuul up until his raid fight. Kel'Thuzad prior to Sanctum doing him dirty. There's a way to execute certain archetypes in a way that isn't bland.

In fairness, I guess the Jailer is about as bad as, say, post-ruin Deathwing, but at least we never had to suffer through long involved dossiers on how Deathwing was the true Mastermind behind most major lore events and planned the Kennedy Assassination.

That being said, "no arguments again" implies this shit hasn't been discussed in thousands of as many words hundreds of pages back by just as many. Go save some other damsel.

[Lamoth]

There's tons of other well made versions of the same archetype. MU and AU Gul'dan is purely malevolent but had charisma. Zuul up until his raid fight. Kel'Thuzad prior to Sanctum doing him dirty. There's a way to execute certain archetypes in a way that isn't bland.

In fairness, I guess the Jailer is about as bad as, say, post-ruin Deathwing, but at least we never had to suffer through long involved dossiers on how Deathwing was the true Mastermind behind most major lore events and planned the Kennedy Assassination.

That being said, "no arguments again" implies this shit hasn't been discussed in thousands of as many words hundreds of pages back by just as many. Go save some other damsel.

I'm not here to save anyone, was just trying to get understand the logic behind mocking Jailer. I mean just the Gul'dan comparison is enough for me to see that it's not the level worth exploring further

Let's end it here. Peace.

[Shadochi]

There's tons of other well made versions of the same archetype. MU and AU Gul'dan is purely malevolent but had charisma. Zuul up until his raid fight. Kel'Thuzad prior to Sanctum doing him dirty. There's a way to execute certain archetypes in a way that isn't bland.

In fairness, I guess the Jailer is about as bad as, say, post-ruin Deathwing, but at least we never had to suffer through long involved dossiers on how Deathwing was the true Mastermind behind most major lore events and planned the Kennedy Assassination.

That being said, "no arguments again" implies this shit hasn't been discussed in thousands of as many words hundreds of pages back by just as many. Go save some other damsel.

We haven't had to listen how Deathwing was the mastermind, but we were listening to really long how these old gods are masterminds controlling from the shadows... even while imprisoned... And it just makes no sense that every time we destroy their big minion we go back to forgetting about the one behind it (like how long was it before we dealt with Nzoth after he tried to destroy everything with Deathwing).

That being said was it ever explained why all of the Old god prisons failed at a similar time, or at least they became active at similar times. I know it is probably just for game lore reasons to explore all of them but could be that the prisons each weakened at their own pace and then they tried to awaken at a similar time.

[Makabreska]

Holy crap how hard is this fight on normal?

[Vakir]

We haven't had to listen how Deathwing was the mastermind, but we were listening to really long how these old gods are masterminds controlling from the shadows... even while imprisoned... And it just makes no sense that every time we destroy their big minion we go back to forgetting about the one behind it (like how long was it before we dealt with Nzoth after he tried to destroy everything with Deathwing).

That being said was it ever explained why all of the Old god prisons failed at a similar time, or at least they became active at similar times. I know it is probably just for game lore reasons to explore all of them but could be that the prisons each weakened at their own pace and then they tried to awaken at a similar time.

Yeah, when you put it that way, it still has its issues and is perhaps worse. The worst was how much the guys behind him fizzled so hard. I get why it was better for the longevity of the story, but having the Void Lords be the "fo realz" threat and the Old Gods be not just killable but their sentient assboils definitely took a lot of wind out of their mystique and made the chapters we dealt with them kinda weaker in retrospect.

Either way, I feel WoW is at its best when their characters have colorful personalities. There's a way to do every archetype under the sun and have it work in its own way. Unpopular opinion, but I felt Arthas was kinda done a disservice with the Doctor Claw voice when he originally had brilliant moments like awkwardly thinking the Nerubians were calling him traitor king, having an actual weird friendship with Kel'Thuzad, and borderline leaning on the fourth wall before the last TFT mission by talking about "ending the game."

[Aeluron Lightsong]

We haven't had to listen how Deathwing was the mastermind, but we were listening to really long how these old gods are masterminds controlling from the shadows... even while imprisoned... And it just makes no sense that every time we destroy their big minion we go back to forgetting about the one behind it (like how long was it before we dealt with Nzoth after he tried to destroy everything with Deathwing).

That being said was it ever explained why all of the Old god prisons failed at a similar time, or at least they became active at similar times. I know it is probably just for game lore reasons to explore all of them but could be that the prisons each weakened at their own pace and then they tried to awaken at a similar time.

If I remember right Yogg's Prison was slowly weakened by....Chogall to help influence the keepers. Don't know about the other Old Gods.

[AngerFork]

Holy crap how hard is this fight on normal?

I seem to recall a quote somewhere that the devs wanted it to feel like the last boss of a raid. From what I'm seeing on the streams, they've succeeded so far. Makes me excited to see what the bosses look like next week.

[micwini]

Watch limit kill it first on HC while the rest struggles on normal :P

[Raetary]

Everything else is not true - he is visually unique (etherial chains, etc),

He is completely indistinguishable from a common maw mob.

is goals are way more established then Garrosh just being angry arrogant alpha

His goals begin and end with the phrase "I will reshape the universe", what the fuck that entails is everyones guess.

Whereas Garrosh had actual established goals and motivations, we knew what he wanted to do it, why he wanted to do it and how we wanted to do it.
And we learnt about him and engaged with him throughout the story, unlike Zovaal was and still is a walking enigma that just appears once every hour to shout one liners.

he does not go around being 'evil.

Walking around in slow motion and yelling about how insignificant everyone is his whole personality.

[TheFirstOnes]

Listen, I hate timegated raids. I'll wait next week or summ

[micwini]

He is completely indistinguishable from a common maw mob.



His goals begin and end with the phrase "I will reshape the universe", what the fuck that entails is everyones guess.

Whereas Garrosh had actual established goals and motivations, we knew what he wanted to do it, why he wanted to do it and how we wanted to do it.
And we learnt about him and engaged with him throughout the story, unlike Zovaal was and still is a walking enigma that just appears once every hour to shout one liners.



Walking around in slow motion and yelling about how insignificant everyone is his whole personality.

You are 100% correct. When the model was datamined, people thought it was just a random maw mob

[Vakir]

You are 100% correct. When the model was datamined, people thought it was just a random maw mob

Stahp, you just don't have a preference for his very unique and fresh archetype.

[The Stormbringer]

He is completely indistinguishable from a common maw mob.

His goals begin and end with the phrase "I will reshape the universe", what the fuck that entails is everyones guess.

Whereas Garrosh had actual established goals and motivations, we knew what he wanted to do it, why he wanted to do it and how we wanted to do it.
And we learnt about him and engaged with him throughout the story, unlike Zovaal was and still is a walking enigma that just appears once every hour to shout one liners.

Walking around in slow motion and yelling about how insignificant everyone is his whole personality.

Lamoth is nuts, or just pretending the Jailer is better than he actually is. You've got the right of it, 100%.

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Stahp, you just don't have a preference for his very unique and fresh archetype.

You dropped this, Vakir. *holds out /s*