Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Vakir]

The border remembers ascension of the aspects logo.

If you're blind. The wood texture and coloring here are way different.

Nothing here truly indicates a revamp even if that would be great.

[leothar]

In Kalimdor Map:
imgur.com/a/c2M1uuy

I wonder why the map has marked out the locations for the Exodar, Dire Maul, Thunder Bluff, the volcano in Un'goro, Gadgetzan, Sulfuron Spire in Hyjal (?)

The EK map also has Ironforge and Blackrock Mountain (?) marked out in the same way

[Vakir]

Dude I can't unsee the horsedong shaped water in the middle of the Kalimdor map

Been a joked about thing since Cata.

The volcanic bits in Badlands also form together to look pretty phallic.

[Cherry123]

In Kalimdor Map:
imgur.com/a/c2M1uuy

what is this?

[Marlamin]

what is this?

Assets added in BfA for filling up the black borders that used to show up on the sides of loading screens on widescreen resolutions.

Nothing special.

[Soulwind]

It's with all the loading screens once your window is wide enough as of 8.2

People are desperate enough to get excited about anything, but not interested enough to go back one or two pages and see that someone already answered...

[huth]

Kalimdor & Eastern Kingdoms are part of Azeroth

They're literally just the equivalent of black bars of letterboxing.

[Varx]

Stop trying to make a world revamp happen, it's not gonna happen.

The new leveling changes from SL assures this. New players are forced into exiles reach and sent to the most recent expansion to level in. And the fact that you need a new land to explore for marketing purposes.

It's clear 10.0 is dragon isles with tinkers, the sooner u guys accept this the better time you'll have in two weeks.

[Makabreska]

It's clear 10.0 is dragon isles with tinkers, the sooner u guys accept this the better time you'll have in two weeks.

But what about Exploding Dragon Isles and Dark Tinkers?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Stop trying to make a world revamp happen, it's not gonna happen.

The new leveling changes from SL assures this. New players are forced into exiles reach and sent to the most recent expansion to level in. And the fact that you need a new land to explore for marketing purposes.

It's clear 10.0 is dragon isles with tinkers, the sooner u guys accept this the better time you'll have in two weeks.

Someone is a bit too confident me thinks.

[Sondrelk]

Stop trying to make a world revamp happen, it's not gonna happen.

The new leveling changes from SL assures this. New players are forced into exiles reach and sent to the most recent expansion to level in. And the fact that you need a new land to explore for marketing purposes.

It's clear 10.0 is dragon isles with tinkers, the sooner u guys accept this the better time you'll have in two weeks.

Or you could argue that the SL levelling revamp instead guarantees a revamp. You have Exiles reach as the tailor made tutorial zone, and now we need some tailor made intermediate levelling zones to ease players into the game before the endgame levelling.

[AngerFork]

Stop trying to make a world revamp happen, it's not gonna happen.

The new leveling changes from SL assures this. New players are forced into exiles reach and sent to the most recent expansion to level in. And the fact that you need a new land to explore for marketing purposes.

It's clear 10.0 is dragon isles with tinkers, the sooner u guys accept this the better time you'll have in two weeks.

Not sure that's as clear as you think it is. There's still a ton of non-Dragon Isles options it could be: Light/Void conflict, revamp, Other Side of Azeroth all come to mind right off the top of my head. Plus, while I'd personally love to have Tinkers in game there's really not a great iron clad reason to say that would for sure be the new class if we got one. Could be Dragonsworn if we have Dragon Isles or something else entirely.

I still say if we're seeing a World Revamp it'll be in 11.0, but that doesn't mean Dragon Isles is a lock at this point either.

[Varx]

Someone is a bit too confident me thinks.

I'm just reading the very obviously writing in the wall without any biased goggles on.

I would love the addition of tinkers and feel confident that they are the next class for multiple reasons, but I ain't gonna main it.

Just think about it. Every racial leader / important character is one of the playable classes available to players. Even sylvanas and alleria, who are hunters with special skins.

Now just about every significantly important gnome or goblin character is a tinker, yet there's no way to effectively express that in combat.

Island expeditions have already laid a small groundwork to what 3 different tinker specs could be.

If Necro or Drs we're ever gonna be a class it would have been in SL, but they weren't and prob won't be.

Dragon isles will probably continue the covenant system with the 5 flights and have them called dragonsworns, instead of a draconic class. Plenty of classes already have dragon themed spells anyway.

So there's really nothing left.

It is what it is, just wait till after zovaal bites the dust. And we get our 10.0 reveal.

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Or you could argue that the SL levelling revamp instead guarantees a revamp. You have Exiles reach as the tailor made tutorial zone, and now we need some tailor made intermediate levelling zones to ease players into the game before the endgame levelling.

Then that wouldn't be a revamp if you have multiple new zones for leveling purposes.... Which is completely unnecessary as noobies really only need the most recent expansion to understand the current story.

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Not sure that's as clear as you think it is. There's still a ton of non-Dragon Isles options it could be: Light/Void conflict, revamp, Other Side of Azeroth all come to mind right off the top of my head. Plus, while I'd personally love to have Tinkers in game there's really not a great iron clad reason to say that would for sure be the new class if we got one. Could be Dragonsworn if we have Dragon Isles or something else entirely.

I still say if we're seeing a World Revamp it'll be in 11.0, but that doesn't mean Dragon Isles is a lock at this point either.

The light void conflict is precisely the reason why 10.0 is dragon isles.

We need a way to bring yrel into azeroth and the only being capable of doing that is a bronze dragon.

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In two weeks my being will ascend into omnipotence as you all see my predictions were right all along.

[Baedril]

In two weeks my being will ascend into omnipotence as you all see my predictions were right all along.

I really hope that they don't reveal or say anything about 10.0 until a couple weeks after Zovaal dies, so that I can see this thread go absolutely crazy arguing about when they should/will announce.

[Varx]

I really hope that they don't reveal or say anything about 10.0 until a couple weeks after Zovaal dies, so that I can see this thread go absolutely crazy arguing about when they should/will announce.

Well whether it's in two, three weeks, or in the next half hour, my radiance will be known.

[Ersula]

Or you could argue that the SL levelling revamp instead guarantees a revamp. You have Exiles reach as the tailor made tutorial zone, and now we need some tailor made intermediate levelling zones to ease players into the game before the endgame levelling.

You're both wrong: If they did a vanilla world revamp, and kept the cataclysm version of zones in game, why would a revamped world need to include a new leveling experience? Especially after the positive reaction to the 9.0 timewalking revamp.

Instead, they revamp the eastern kingdoms & kalimdor entirely for 60-70. Letting new players play through BFA, then Shadowlands, then to return to Azeroth now that so much has changed. I want to say part of the reason they destroyed Teldrassil & Lordaeron was so they wouldn't have to redesign so many hub cities when they had long-term plans to revamp the world. Plus, the idea that we'd actually at some point see the events of BFA on the old world reflected in game, because so far, we haven't.

That's a bad take. For all we know, Exile's Reach might exist in the first place because they're removing the old starting zones in a revamp.

Considering they had to make Classic a thing, now they know better than to remove *anything*. They don't need to remove the Cata era versions of the zones to do a world revamp. They primarily needed to make Exiles' Reach as a tutorial for BFA content, because they wanted new players to start in BFA, but it didn't have anything to explain the game to new players, so its like a BFA tutorial zone.

[Varx]

That's a bad take. For all we know, Exile's Reach might exist in the first place because they're removing the old starting zones in a revamp.

Updated KA and EK could feel like new if they drastically revamp it. Depends a bit on what happens to Azeroth next week.

You say that like revamping the entirety for EK and Kal is some minor feat. And all that just for nooby leveling? Even cata had a new continent in the form of spread out zones.

No way... Exiles reach was meant to put new players in a modern environment that doesn't conflict chronologically with the current story.

That was the problem with cata.

You level in cata to 58, then go back in time to outland, then forward in time to northrend but still in the past from where you began, then go back to the present in cata leveling zones.


Exiles reach fixed this by being chronologically neutral and then dropping you in the events of the last expansion and forcing you to level there.

Revamping the word just brings us back to square one for future expansions.

No, all we need is a new continent and updated zones where it makes sense in the current story, like uldum, the vale, silitus, dark shore, and arathi

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You're both wrong: If they did a vanilla world revamp, and kept the cataclysm version of zones in game, why would a revamped world need to include a new leveling experience? Especially after the positive reaction to the 9.0 timewalking revamp.

Instead, they revamp the eastern kingdoms & kalimdor entirely for 60-70. Letting new players play through BFA, then Shadowlands, then to return to Azeroth now that so much has changed. I want to say part of the reason they destroyed Teldrassil & Lordaeron was so they wouldn't have to redesign so many hub cities when they had long-term plans to revamp the world. Plus, the idea that we'd actually at some point see the events of BFA on the old world reflected in game, because so far, we haven't.

Considering they had to make Classic a thing, now they know better than to remove *anything*. They don't need to remove the Cata era versions of the zones to do a world revamp. They primarily needed to make Exiles' Reach as a tutorial for BFA content, because they wanted new players to start in BFA, but it didn't have anything to explain the game to new players, so its like a BFA tutorial zone.

No that won't work since new players wouldn't be able to finish off in BfA if they wanted to or completely undermine SL, which goes completely against the current level design for new players.


We don't need to complicate this.

WE. DO. NOT. NEED. A. WORLD. REVAMP.

It's as simple as that.

It would be suicide to sell to existing players that they don't have a new world to explore and instead you got HD Desolace and Felwood, gtfo.

Again, even cata had brand new zones for endgame players.

[Ersula]

The light void conflict is precisely the reason why 10.0 is dragon isles.

We need a way to bring yrel into azeroth and the only being capable of doing that is a bronze dragon.

Okay but one helps us go there to get the mag'har. A bronze dragon being involved in the plot doesn't mean the whole expansion will revolve around dragons.

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WE. DO. NOT. NEED. A. WORLD. REVAMP.

yes we do. So much has changed in the last 3 expansions and NONE of it is reflected in the world of Azeroth. Oh the Forsaken & Night Elves are homeless? Sylvanas redrew all the maps? The Old Gods invaded? the Naga are in a power vaccum? The Nightborne erected a dome around Silvermoon? Players would never know these things if they weren't specifically in the questline for them, and even then they're things you're just told. They need to be reflected in the actual world.

[Varx]

Okay but one helps us go there to get the mag'har. A bronze dragon being involved in the plot doesn't mean the whole expansion will revolve around dragons.

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yes we do. So much has changed in the last 3 expansions and NONE of it is reflected in the world of Azeroth.

No but they need to be involved in some level to even think about having yrel come to our timeline... And such a significant event would probably involve nozzy, which would probably involve the isles because we know that they're the next frontier as per wrathion and BFA.


Who gives a shit how Desolace and westfall looks like because stupid ass pelagos doesn't know why he can't ascend.

If some significant change happens then we'll get something like uldum and the vale or silithus, we don't need a massive cata level revamp.

Every expansion needs new leveling content, there's no denying this.

Everything you listed in your update doesn't need a world revamp cata style.

[Ersula]

Every expansion needs new leveling content, there's no denying this.

Like I said, make the revamped Kalimdor & Eastern Kingdoms the 60-70 leveling content: It's the perfect solution. From a player & developer perspective, it's no different from inventing an entirely new continent to level in.