Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Varx]

??? Exiles reach is explicitly set at the beginning of BFA. It's set right after Teldrassil.

They can't just make every expansion the 10 - 50 content because Bastion Quests need input from where you did timewalking to give context to your quests AND people would complain about their characters never feeling more powerful if they're contstantly leveling 50 - 60

Exiles reach can be set anywhere since they don't reference any events.

Bastion can just use updated quest text to match ER.

Lol who cares about those OCD number addicted people, blozz didn't when they squished our levels.

Levels are arbitrary and don't mean shit.

[Polybius]

Than a world revamp makes even less sense because an expansion will never take place in 30 zones around Kalimdor and EK. And a partial update to both continents seems incredibly unlikely as old and new zones would just mix and look weird.

That basically just leaves new continents or landmasses for new expansions.

Oh, you mean like Cata? They only updated the trees and quests. It’s not even a bad thing if they did partial over time. We have Tirisfall Glades, after all. Uldum and Twilight Highlands would count as well, they weren’t accessible.

[Varx]

Therein lies the problem. Congrats, you finally found it.

That's not a problem... It's history, you need to move forward and leave legacy content alone. Ffs

[Ersula]

Holy fuck I didn't know the centaurs in Desolace we're up to some shit. Can't wait to take care of that once we put wow saitan in his place.

They could be. It's as captivating an idea as finding out Twig-people are causing minor inconveniences to Kul-tiras.

[Grimbold21]

That's not a problem... It's history, you need to move forward and leave legacy content alone. Ffs

How to justify the continuous implemention of systems in WoW. 101

[Varx]

Who said anything about old and insignificant? A revamped zone has just as much appeal as a new one, depending on your target audience. I know a chap ton of people like me who started in Vanilla would lose their shit if they saw an epic as presenting a fully rebuilt Azeroth. Those same players snore at stuff like the Shadowlands.

Besides, there's no reason you can't have both. A revamp could come wrapped in something like the Dragon Isles, and simply be a feature. Or a revamp could sell one expansion based on nostalgia alone, before they move ahead with a new place like the Dragon Isles in the next one.

All we need is ONE expansion to fix Azeroth and make old continents evergreen.

You want nostalgia then play classic.

You don't need evergreen from old zones when you can keep adding new zones... And putting all those bells and whistles you described to them.

[Ersula]

That's not a problem... It's history, you need to move forward and leave legacy content alone. Ffs

It's been longer since Cata than Cata was to Vanilla.

[Varx]

How to justify the continuous implemention of systems in WoW. 101

You want the same shit for the next 10 years? Plus just cus you have new systems every expansion doesn't mean it's a bad thing as long as it's done right.

[Polybius]

That's not a problem... It's history, you need to move forward and leave legacy content alone. Ffs

History isn’t kind to those that don’t keep up, an old game would be no exception.

[Ersula]

You don't need evergreen from old zones when you can keep adding new zones... And putting all those bells and whistles you described to them.

Why not have zones existing in different eras within the same game? That should be the explicit idea of Timewalking.

[shoc]

Blizzard is not going to revamp the whole old world at the same time. Arathi Basin and Darkshore are proof that they can and will approach the problem of the outdated old world piece by piece.

That being said, they could probably revamp the Eastern Kingdoms all at once. A reforged Quel'thalas and Lordaeron is more than enough content for 1 expansion.

[Varx]

It's been longer since Cata than Cata was to Vanilla.

And?????

So because of that then we shouldn't go to the dragon isles or karesh? Like what?

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Why not have zones existing in different eras within the same game? That should be the explicit idea of Timewalking.

They already do as needed, look at BfA.

[Shadochi]

We havent had a "leak" image where we go on an ARG to find whats it been composed from in a while

[Varx]

History isn’t kind to those that don’t keep up, an old game would be no exception.

Each expansion is basically a new iteration of wow, why do you think it's almost 2 decades old? I know it's not cuz we keep going back to Desolace to kill HD centaurs.

[Shadochi]

And?????

So because of that then we shouldn't go to the dragon isles or karesh? Like what?

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They already do as needed, look at BfA.

You mean look at WoD? They added the Zidormi talk thingy first in WoD for the Blasted Lands, then in Legion for Silithus and in BfA for 5 zones (maybe more?)

[Raetary]

And?????

So because of that then we shouldn't go to the dragon isles or karesh? Like what?

"Shouldn't"?

I really want to know how you came to the conclusion that a world revamp entails us 'never' going to either of those places.

[Grimbold21]

You want the same shit for the next 10 years? Plus just cus you have new systems every expansion doesn't mean it's a bad thing as long as it's done right.

The implication of your previous comment is that such mindset encourages a design philosophy where you makes things that have an expiration date. As soon as the expansion where those things exist is done, so is their utility.

What has been placed at Blizzard's feet since, well, its first expansion is the fact that an enormous wealth of content is left behind, or at least, an immense space where current content could be tied into in some shape or form. It would definitely help the player feel that whatever is happening is affecting the whole world, as opposed to one cut off portion of it.

[Varx]

You are putting so many words in my mouth, lol.

Bunch of false claims I never made disguised as questions.

Yeah, you can do that stuff with a new continent. But it doesn't last, clearly, since Blizzard always kills the old continents when a new expansion is out.

Half the point of this revamp would be to increase the size of the game world, and it makes a lot more sense to do all of that where it all started.

100% of WoW players feel a connection to KA and EK. The number shrinks significantly when you poll them about various expansion continents, which are all forays into very specific themes.

Thats so nice and sweet. I promise EK and Kal aren't going anywhere.

That being said we don't need to go back to them with some grand design to keep them evergreen.

What we need is a new place to explore every two years.
There's no argument that can go against it minus flawed ones from biased old-timers.

[Nyel]

Oh, you mean like Cata? They only updated the trees and quests. It’s not even a bad thing if they did partial over time. We have Tirisfall Glades, after all. Uldum and Twilight Highlands would count as well, they weren’t accessible.

Hyjal doesn’t look much better than the surrounding zones in Cataclysm. And it would be a 2004 vs 2010 scenario. This time it’s 2010 vs 2022 scenario.

Updating just some zones instead of the entire continent is just not a good solution or option unless those zones are all close together and make up their own continent. But getting a revamped Ungoro, Fel Wood, Lordaeron and Westfall would just feel weird.

[Varx]

The implication of your previous comment is that such mindset encourages a design philosophy where you makes things that have an expiration date. As soon as the expansion where those things exist is done, so is their utility.

What has been placed at Blizzard's feet since, well, its first expansion is the fact that an enormous wealth of content is left behind, or at least, an immense space where current content could be tied into in some shape or form. It would definitely help the player feel that whatever is happening is affecting the whole world, as opposed to one cut off portion of it.

Dude this is a video game, there's limits to what they can do.

Plus between current content and legacy content, what more do you need???

Blizzard just needs to make permanent content like new classes, specs, races to make it feel like the world is constantly being effected.

You don't need an entire world revamp to do that, because surprise, eventually that revamp will be old itself. Just like cata

And if wow.is gonna stay alive we need to keep going forward to places we haven't explored yet, not have some stupid ass world.quest in ferelas.