Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Nightshade711]

I’d like to see a 9.2.5 ruby sanctum-like raid
Or some story to tie up the scourge loose end when we get back to Azeroth.

From what we’re aware from the kyrian storyline the scourge is still running rampant.
I do hope blizzard didn’t just forget all about them.

[Ersula]

Scourge isn't likely to get tied up nicely with a bow, it's more than likely seeding story for either 10.0 or 11.0.

Them going wild on Azeroth is way too big of a point of lore to just brush aside. It's also the only piece of current lore we have for actual Azeroth. The only other time that we've gone back was just to say hey to Alexstraza.

I’d like to see a 9.2.5 ruby sanctum-like raid
Or some story to tie up the scourge loose end when we get back to Azeroth.

From what we’re aware from the kyrian storyline the scourge is still running rampant.
I do hope blizzard didn’t just forget all about them.

In theory, making the new crown for Pelegos does precisely this. Its the entire point of reforging the crown. Pelegos is the Arbiter & the Lich King now, silmiltaniously. Bolvar is seen in a T-shirt captioned "I became the Lich King & All I got was deep fried"


My prediction is Danuser loves pissing off the Sylvanas haters specifically & the perfect campstone would be releasing a billion Sylvanases into the playerbase as soon as the storyline wraps up. Undead Elves allied races, unlocked for completing the Shadowlands/Zerem Mortis campaign.

[Lady Atia]

I’d like to see a 9.2.5 ruby sanctum-like raid
Or some story to tie up the scourge loose end when we get back to Azeroth.

From what we’re aware from the kyrian storyline the scourge is still running rampant.
I do hope blizzard didn’t just forget all about them.

Well, in theory we have unused rewards for a Season 4 for Shadowlands (Blue Deathelemental / PvP Protowolf / Unused Gladiator Soul Eater) but a new season without new gear upgrades would feel .... weird. A tiny side raid with a few catch up items would work quite well for that! Just not sure what they could use for that as all the Shadowlands plotlines will be finished next week (besides the Drust and Devourers but both would deserve atleast a Patch with Zone).

[Varodoc]

The inclusion of the Ren'dorei, a popular allied race that people were asking for (Alliance-affiliated Thalassian elves), helped push the popularity of this feature exponentially.

We don't know if the Shadowlands allied race can carry the same amount of hype.

[Ersula]

We don't know if the Shadowlands allied race can carry the same amount of hype.

Do you understand how long people have been asking for undead elves? As long if not longer than High Elves.

And if after Shadowlands we learn Calia has been using S'era to spam resurrect people to save them from the Maw as forsaken, that would make sense & justify why she came to the Shadowlands at all. If she was privy to that info in the time before they appointed the new Arbiter, this would make the most logical sense & would be her moral imperative to ressurect as many people as possible since that seemed to be one of the few ways to save people from the Maw.

[Lady Atia]

Oh actually, I just realized they could make a small epilogue raid were we rescue Nathanos with the help of Sylvanas!

[Varodoc]

Do you understand how long people have been asking for undead elves? As long if not longer than High Elves.

And if after Shadowlands we learn Calia has been using S'era to spam resurrect people to save them from the Maw as forsaken, that would make sense & justify why she came to the Shadowlands at all. If she was privy to that info in the time before they appointed the new Arbiter, this would make the most logical sense & would be her moral imperative since that seemed to be one of the few ways to save people from the Maw.

Undead Elves is one of the least likely races to become playable.

Blizzard has not shown any interest in them at all or they would have already become playable in BfA.

Undead elves like San'layn is a fan dream that is unlikely to ever happen.

Lightforged Undead led by Calia Menethil and Derek Proudmoore are far more likely to become playable. Especially after Calia Menethil was shown amongst the leaders of the Horde in the intro of Shadowlands.

[username993720]

Allied covenant races makes zero sense. We had allied races because BFA was about a faction war where we needed new allies. There’s no reason for that anymore with the closer ties between the Alliance and Horde. Also it’d be weird for a denizen of the Shadowlands to be in the world of the living.

Not to mention if we were getting allied races from the shadowlands, we’d get them during this expansion, not the next one.

You help their covenant out, save the Shadowlands and gain reputation with them. Just like allied races. I think it is more than enough. Not to mention that their models quality.
Actually, it wouldn't be weird to see them in the land of the living because they're common fantasy races. Vampires, Fauns and Angels are missing from the assortment of playable races. And Gladiators too i guess.
BfA allied races started in Legion and ended in BfA. So, it isn't weird to get something an expansion later, after you help defeat the Jailer.

Yeah, but again allied races were part of the theme of BFA, not a feature we’d see moving forward as a way they would always introduce new races. If we get new races, they’ll be tied to the next expansion, not be left overs from this one.

Mag'hars and Dark Irons are literally leftovers of previous expansions. Besides, we have 9.2.5.

[Teriz]

You help their covenant out, save the Shadowlands and gain reputation with them. Just like allied races. I think it is more than enough. Not to mention that their models are already designed for playability.
Actually, it wouldn't be weird to see them in the land of the living because they're common fantasy races. Vampires, Fauns and Angels are missing from the assortment of playable races. And Gladiators too i guess.
BfA allied races started in Legion and ended in BfA. So, it isn't weird to get something an expansion later, after you help defeat the Jailer.

Sorry, I believe its a ridiculous idea and I don't see it happening. We'll see soon enough. I don't really see a need to discuss this.

[Ersula]

Undead Elves is one of the least likely races to become playable.

Blizzard has not shown any interest in them at all or they would have already become playable in BfA.

"Did you hear that? Blizzard has not showed any interest in me since BFA" ~ Sylvanas Windrunner

Lordaeron is full of Human & Elf corpses seems like one is just as likely as the other.

[Varodoc]

San'layn aren't undead.

However I do agree that light infused Undead are pretty likely. It would also give them a way to finally add Undead Paladins that people have been begging for since like TBC.

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After Kael'thas's failed assault against the Lich King, some of his greatest blood elf followers were slaughtered and raised into undeath as darkfallen. Prince Taldaram is one of these cunning and bloodthirsty vampiric beings. Always seeking to please the Lich King, he has entered the war-torn depths of Ahn'kahet in search of lost nerubian relics that can empower the Scourge's murderous ranks.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Pri...dventure_Guide

[Ersula]

San'layn aren't undead.

However I do agree that light infused Undead are pretty likely. It would also give them a way to finally add Undead Paladins that people have been begging for since like TBC.

San'layn are undead. They were specifically a Blood Elf attack force that got annihilated by the Lich King post-W3. The Blood Princes had unique features, but the regular San'layn were all physically indistinguishable from Dark Rangers. They would be the same race. I won't post the Calia Lilian scene again because I posted it repeatedly already but that scene were the Dark Rangers pledge fealty to Calia feels so much like an allied race precursor: They're even shown riding a unique mount: The unbridled Undead Wolf mount.

[username993720]

Sorry, I believe its a ridiculous idea and I don't see it happening. We'll see soon enough. I don't really see a need to discuss this.

So, you deny the quality of their models? Or the need for such races?

[Varodoc]

Of all the potential allied races, Lightforged Undead are easily the most likely to happen, and ironically Undead Elves are the least likely to happen.

Lightforged Undead would serve a double function from a story perspective, which would make their inclusion all the more sensible:

- They would serve as a mirror to the Alliance Ren'dorei. The Light-infused undead and the Void-infused elves.

- Calia Menethil as I said above is being pushed to be the next leader of Lordaeron and is even counted as one of the main leaders of the Horde in the Shadowlands intro.

- Before the Storm, a brilliant novel written by Golden, states that many Forsaken want to be reunited with their human kin. The Lightforged Human represent the final step towards this reunion, combining the undead aspect with the Light, which is the most important cultural aspect of the Human kingdoms.

Meanwhile Undead Elves are not likely, at all. If Blizzard wanted them to be playable, they would have added them either at start of BfA with Prince Dreven and his San'layn, or at the end of Bfa with the abdication of Sylvanas and return of Calia.

Undead Elves might be the hypothetical race that Blizzard is LEAST interested in. Upright Forsaken are more likely to happen.

But that's alright because if you want to play Sylvanas you can just make a Void elf and choose the appropriate transmog set. There are plenty of suggestions on WoWhead and transmog forums. Is there anything the Void elves can't do?

[Catastrophy349]

Anyone else smell that sweet, sweet announcement brewing up?

[Raetary]

Ah yes, it makes perfect sense for the caretakers of mortal souls, from the cosmic plane of death to walk around Azeroth like it's a regular tuesday.
Such an addition couldn't possible have lore-shattering implications. /s

Good god people.

They might add them because 1) they are pretty 2) they are popular and 3) money.
But having them hang around with us on Azeroth does not, under any circumstances, make any damn sense.

[Ersula]

Of all the potential allied races, Lightforged Undead are easily the most likely to happen, and ironically Undead Elves are the least likely to happen.

That they didn't specifically add Undead elf customization *when they could have* *even when there were a few 9.0 builds were they did* during the customization revamp tells me they were saving them for an allied race. Lightforged Undead are a possibility but with unrotted & holy eyes in the new customization, they kind of already do allow you to make lightforged undead. I point to The Hidden Need quest, that the Forsaken Elves *have* already gotten more focus than "Lightforged undead"

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

https://i.ibb.co/nsqmT5W/subrace-customization-mockup-darkranger-alliance.jpg[/IMG]

That they didn't specifically add Undead elf customization *when they could have* *even when there were a few 9.0 builds were they did* during the customization revamp tells me they were saving them for an allied race. Lightforged Undead are a possibility but with unrotted & holy eyes in the new customization, they kind of already do allow you to make lightforged undead. I point to The Hidden Need quest, that the Forsaken Elves *have* already gotten more focus than "Lightforged undead"

Don't know who made that mock-up but it looks pretty nice for a factionless character creator.

Though as long as factions remain we all agree "Undead Elves" would be strictly Horde, right? On which note picking between NElf or BElf as their base could be a unique feature for them.

[Ersula]

Though as long as factions remain we all agree "Undead Elves" would be strictly Horde, right? On which note picking between NElf or BElf as their base could be a unique feature for them.

I was envisioning the Undead Blood Elves would be Horde & the Undead Night Elves would be alliance. Calia would want Lordaeron to be neutral like Dalaran.

[Kiria]

Don't know who made that mock-up but it looks pretty nice for a factionless character creator.

Though as long as factions remain we all agree "Undead Elves" would be strictly Horde, right? On which note picking between NElf or BElf as their base could be a unique feature for them.

Not necessarily the undead nightelves could rejoin their sisters.