Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Syegfryed]

I can tell you that lore wise I value equally MoP and SL. For the class-spec gameplay SL is a lot better than MoP on all classes I've played in both expac (dk, sham, warlock, hunter). I've loved the scenery in both expansions.

how mop is equally with shadowlands in lore? genuinely curious, like did you even notice whats happening with shadowlands lore right now? Garrosh had more build up as a villain than 5 Janitors, and MOP didn't had poster girl sylvanas ruining every cinematic she shows in.

Like, Shadowlands lore is so bad that even people who worship the soil blizzard put their feet are complaning, every Q&A is someone asking what the hell is going on, while most complains in mop was about "kung fu pandas".

Warlocks had their best era of class design in MOP, they even got a cool ass solo quest to get green fel fire, saying shadowlands class-spec is better t is something i would never expect a warlock player to say.

[Archmage Xaxxas]

Are yous erious saying mop is equally in shadowlands in lore?

No they told you their personal values between the two. Read.

[Syegfryed]

No they told you their personal values between the two. Read.

And im asking how he thinks that, read.

[Skildar]

And im asking how he thinks that, read.

you're not asking you're dictating that I must defend what I say otherwise it is to be considered idiotic.

Take the time to ask properly if you want to engage in a conversation

[Syegfryed]

you're not asking you're dictating that I must defend what I say otherwise it is to be considered idiotic.

Take the time to ask properly if you want to engage in a conversation

Thats a big reach that have nothing to do with what i said or asked.

[Sharby]

People saying SL is better then MoP? What's next, people saying WoD is the best expac of all time?

I liked the class design and how ambitious (broken) the raid loot was at the time. Trinkets these days are so watered down in comparsion...

[Revamp Man]

Personally I would go for SL, except:

Covenants removed as a choice with attached power, instead staying as zone specific rewards and open world upgrade system.
Azeroth focused expansion with less disjointed zones and more coherent plot.
Allied races and possibly a new class to drive alt replayability.
Tier sets available.

- - - Updated - - -



Definitely. Personally I just find it very lacking in open world content. Flying being available from the start especially undercutting the dailies almost completely.

Once you got into 5.2 it really hit its stride though.

Edit: Should also mention the absolutely awful 14 month drought at the end.

I used the drought to take full advantage of the 5.2 stuff like the zandalar dinos and farming bones
Still remember my guildie throwing a tantrum because I won the roll for a mount and his argument was “well he got a bag of herbs 4 rares ago so he shouldn’t be able to roll”
Then soloing up to Elegon each time on my monk tank

[Syegfryed]

People saying SL is better then MoP? What's next, people saying WoD is the best expac of all time?

6.1. better patch of wow, it didn't add anything bad in the game, only improvements

weird times man.

[Teriz]

Any pic of the Logo??

[Landrisser]

It's better than MoP.

Kind of funny that you’re chiding MoP about homogenized classes while praising the current classes which are the definition of homogenization. Doesn’t seem like you have any clue what you’re going on about, lol.

[Hitei]

Kind of funny that you’re chiding MoP about homogenized classes while praising the current classes which are the definition of homogenization. Doesn’t seem like you have any clue what you’re going on about, lol.

Because MoP was the expansion where in an effort to get every class to the same raid parity, they just ended up copy pasting the same toolkit across all of them. The same 4s stun, the same maintain dot/debuff > use proc > builder > spender rotation, the same self-heal, the same mainline defensive CD, the same filler run-casting spell for casters, stealth abilities on 5 of 11 classes, sprint on everything but warrior(?), buffs as grouped reskins of various effects. Three hunter and rogue specs that play almost identically with different ability names, and half of the classes using combo point systems.

But no, it's definitely current design that's tOtAlLy HoMogEniZed.

Also I where did I praise the current classes? All I said was that they are better than MoP's iteration. SL is middle of the road.

[Dragon ANX]

File ID: 4279702 - 11,912 KB - 25 sec ( ??? )
File ID: 4279707 - 24,853 KB - 51 sec ( ??? )
File ID: 4279697 - 39,553 KB - 1:23 min ( ??? )
File ID: 4279692 - 78,380 KB - 2:42 min (Anduin Cinematic)

The 1:23 is probably the raid finale cinematic, it feels kinda short...

[Aeluron Lightsong]

File ID: 4279702 - 11,912 KB - 25 sec ( ??? )
File ID: 4279707 - 24,853 KB - 51 sec ( ??? )
File ID: 4279697 - 39,553 KB - 1:23 min ( ??? )
File ID: 4279692 - 78,380 KB - 2:42 min (Anduin Cinematic)

The 1:23 is probably the raid finale cinematic, it feels kinda short...

They can do a lot in a small amount of time but yes that is shorter then the Anduin one but the highest was 3 minutes(Wrath).

[Landrisser]

Because MoP was the expansion where in an effort to get every class to the same raid parity, they just ended up copy pasting the same toolkit across all of them. The same 4s stun, the same maintain dot/debuff > use proc > builder > spender rotation, the same self-heal, the same mainline defensive CD, the same filler run-casting spell for casters, stealth abilities on 5 of 11 classes, sprint on everything but warrior(?), buffs as grouped reskins of various effects. Three hunter and rogue specs that play almost identically with different ability names, and half of the classes using combo point systems.

But no, it's definitely current design that's tOtAlLy HoMogEniZed.

Also I where did I praise the current classes? All I said was that they are better than MoP's iteration. SL is middle of the road.

I would almost think this post was satire if I didn’t know any better. It seems like you have been playing a fantasy version of shadowlands in your head where classes aren’t even more homogenized

[Hitei]

I would almost think this post was satire if I didn’t know any better. It seems like you have been playing a fantasy version of shadowlands in your head where classes aren’t even more homogenized

They literally are not.

[Varx]

I just realized even more proof that tinkers are coming in 10.0, as if we need more, lmao.

The automa are all mechanical beings. There's a giant portal in Oribos that anyone can use. And there's transport from azeroth to Oribos, shown by many NPCs that have migrated to Oribos, like sunwalker dezco for example.

Who's to say some opportunistic goblins or gnomes won't go through to reverse engineering first ones tech?

[AngerFork]

I'm no doomsayer, but man if we're getting another Shadowlands style expansion that just offers some window dressing, I'm probably going to skip pre-order for the first time since WotLK.

Same. Most of the fun of pre-orders is getting to play early with the new toys and/or getting new toys you otherwise wouldn't. Allied Race DKs felt like a complete cop out for a pre-order bonus. Without a new race or class as an early bonus, I'm not sure I see any good reason to pre-order the game at all.

[Syegfryed]

I would almost think this post was satire if I didn’t know any better. It seems like you have been playing a fantasy version of shadowlands in your head where classes aren’t even more homogenized

i think the idea fo classes being more balanced with each other make people think they are homogenized, less balanced, less homogenized

[Ersula]

how mop is equally with shadowlands in lore? genuinely curious, like did you even notice whats happening with shadowlands lore right now? Garrosh had more build up as a villain than 5 Janitors, and MOP didn't had poster girl sylvanas ruining every cinematic she shows in.

This conversation was about how someone stated that MOP got more resources & development time than more recent expansions & I said that was a ridiculous claim. Good or Bad MOP production isn't largely different from any other expansion: They don't splurge on producing new expansions; Its always been the same portion of its operating cost. And that hasn't changed because even when subs decline, the revenue from subs is still much larger than their operating cost.

TL;DR They didn't spend more money developing MoP than Shadowlands

[Khaza-R]

File ID: 4279702 - 11,912 KB - 25 sec ( ??? )
File ID: 4279707 - 24,853 KB - 51 sec ( ??? )
File ID: 4279697 - 39,553 KB - 1:23 min ( ??? )
File ID: 4279692 - 78,380 KB - 2:42 min (Anduin Cinematic)

The 1:23 is probably the raid finale cinematic, it feels kinda short...

Even the terrible N'zoth cinematic was 1:37. Argus was 2:58

So not exactly promising but lets hope they pack a lot into that short period.