Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[KainneAbsolute]

Like the two cinematics that is CGI and not in engine related? Cause theres a big difference between

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_iHOJ1Ezr0


And this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW_h0qf9vpA&t=1s


Notice how in the N'zoth had started with the weird ingame characters animations and not the actual cinematic that uses the engine but makes it far more detailed


Like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30R9cZJQLH0


So I don't even understand this "They put more effort into BFA." Cinematics like Old Soldier require a crap ton more effort then the Anduin being freed one.

They said Shadowlands is "the culmination of a storyline that has been brewing by years," and lorewise I do not feel a more significant effort than in BFA. At least in BFA, Blizzard made an effort to close the war storyline, while Nzoth was just uninspired.

In BFA, we lost the opportunity to explore the influence of a free Old God and Nyalotha. In Shadowlands, we are in a crucial place: the cradle of creation, and it does not stand out as "the culmination of several years".

[Revamp Man]

They said Shadowlands is "the culmination of a storyline that has been brewing by years," and lorewise I do not feel a more significant effort than in BFA. At least in BFA, Blizzard made an effort to close the war storyline, while Nzoth was just uninspired.

In BFA, we lost the opportunity to explore the influence of a free Old God and Nyalotha. In Shadowlands, we are in a crucial place: the cradle of creation, and it does not stand out as "the culmination of several years".

That’s because (and idc what Ion says because that was PR garbage) the expansion has been cut short. Freeing Anduin was probably supposed to be in 9.2 but the jailer was definitely 9.3 content

[Golden Yak]

That’s because (and idc what Ion says because that was PR garbage) the expansion has been cut short. Freeing Anduin was probably supposed to be in 9.2 but the jailer was definitely 9.3 content

I've heard this claimed before, but I do not get that feeling at all. Is it purely because Anduin's boss fight is so difficult, that people think he was meant to be an end boss and there would have been a follow up raid? What would possibly have served as a 9.3 storyline/content?

[Sondrelk]

I've heard this claimed before, but I do not get that feeling at all. Is it purely because Anduin's boss fight is so difficult, that people think he was meant to be an end boss and there would have been a follow up raid? What would possibly have served as a 9.3 storyline/content?

The idea is that we would have had a 9.2 where we save Anduin, and then have a 9.3 that is still in Zereth Mortis, but where we immediately try and focus on resisting domination, instead of what we have now where resisting domination is only a real issue after we have defeated Anduin.

[huth]

I've heard this claimed before, but I do not get that feeling at all. Is it purely because Anduin's boss fight is so difficult, that people think he was meant to be an end boss and there would have been a follow up raid? What would possibly have served as a 9.3 storyline/content?

The idea predates the release of 9.2. There's a number of storylines in SL that feel fast-tracked or just abandoned. The Covenant conclusions in 9.1, or the Drust for example.

[Golden Yak]

The idea predates the release of 9.2. There's a number of storylines in SL that feel fast-tracked or just abandoned. The Covenant conclusions in 9.1, or the Drust for example.

I could buy that there was a cut early release raid, in the vein of Emerald Nightmare/Uldir, that would have been set in Ardenweald and involved the Drust or similar.

[Varodoc]

That they wasted all the CGI cinematics on a sad suicidal orc without devoting even just one to N'Zoth, who up to that point was the undisputed main villain of WOW, is criminal and a travesty.

[Santandame]

The SW fandom and WoW fandom go hand in hand together in the vein of "sheltered teenage boys that assumed them being nerdy was why people didnt like them and grew up and got big mad that their thing is suddenly popular and them being assholes was actually why no one liked them" energy.

Star Wars only suddenly popular lmao. You really are deluded.

[Nyel]

I could buy that there was a cut early release raid, in the vein of Emerald Nightmare/Uldir, that would have been set in Ardenweald and involved the Drust or similar.

We‘re missing a middle patch with a mid-expansion raid, not an entry raid. Castle Nathria makes sense as an entry raid as it concludes the Shadowlands base story to that point.

What was definitely rushed is the plot about the sigils and Korthia / follow up to that. They had to put so much stuff into 9.1 that most of it feels unfinished or pretty much has no real build up / storyline leading to it.

[Vasoka]

That they wasted all the CGI cinematics on a sad suicidal orc without devoting even just one to N'Zoth, who up to that point was the undisputed main villain of WOW, is criminal and a travesty.

N'zoth is gone, the void elves are the worst thing about recent WoW lore. Time to let it go. Old gods = permanently gone. Okay? Someone needs to give it to you directly finally. I'm sorry, but that's how it is. Also, Alleria is the worst Windrunner sister (and that's a heavy thing to say considering how trash Sylvanas is). At least Sylvanas is relevant.

Let it go, you will feel better. Just let it go.

[Lahis]

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The 1:23 is probably the raid finale cinematic, it feels kinda short...

They can always pull a BFA and have sub minute end cinematic supplemented by janky as fuck cutscene...

[micwini]

N'zoth is gone, the void elves are the worst thing about recent WoW lore. Time to let it go. Old gods = permanently gone. Okay? Someone needs to give it to you directly finally. I'm sorry, but that's how it is. Also, Alleria is the worst Windrunner sister (and that's a heavy thing to say considering how trash Sylvanas is). At least Sylvanas is relevant.

Let it go, you will feel better. Just let it go.

You have no idea what you have unleashed with this post.

Apart from that: there was definitely a 9.3 planned. There were "Ardenweald raid [PH]" items datamined. Tazavesh is so large, it could have been a zone and dungeon at the same time (like Mechagon). 9.2 Would have been anduin endboss and then 9.3 with ZM and Jailer last boss.

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They can always pull a BFA and have sub minute end cinematic supplemented by janky as fuck cutscene...

I mean the 25 sec and 51 could also be epilogue cinematics that give some more. 1:23 for just "seeing the boss die" seems fine.

[therumblings]

There were "Ardenweald raid [PH]" items datamined.

Pretty sure those were just items you got from turning in Castle Nathria raid tokens to Night Fae vendors.

[Yossarian]

everyone prepared for one minute of sylvanas?

no please no, no more Sylvanas
unless it is her being executed, or sacrifying herself, whatever, I'm so sick of her

[Nightmare Queen]

N'zoth is gone, the void elves are the worst thing about recent WoW lore. Time to let it go. Old gods = permanently gone. Okay? Someone needs to give it to you directly finally. I'm sorry, but that's how it is. Also, Alleria is the worst Windrunner sister (and that's a heavy thing to say considering how trash Sylvanas is). At least Sylvanas is relevant.

Let it go, you will feel better. Just let it go.

I've already done this with Zandalari/trolls have any sort of development, and Bwonsamdi being relevant. The story for them is only going to worsen

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Uhh.. Not sure if I feel better though. I'm kinda sad

[Raetary]

The cinematic is just as long as the cataclysm one.

[Varodoc]

N'zoth is gone, the void elves are the worst thing about recent WoW lore. Time to let it go. Old gods = permanently gone. Okay? Someone needs to give it to you directly finally. I'm sorry, but that's how it is. Also, Alleria is the worst Windrunner sister (and that's a heavy thing to say considering how trash Sylvanas is). At least Sylvanas is relevant.

Let it go, you will feel better. Just let it go.

The avatar matches the personality to be honest.

[Alanar]

Venthyr just seem too ugly to have people play them. I could see undead elves though

It might seem like that, but I have seen nothing but love for thease vampires to become playable and they are more unique then san layn. I dont mind either, but venthyr seem like a better option.

It was kinda the discussion before.. sanlayn are elves with bat ears and venthyr(nee model and animations) a full vampires. I had hoped we would get some san layn link in the shadowlands, so that blood curse wouldnt be so random from icc. Sadly nothing was explained.

[Syegfryed]

no please no, no more Sylvanas
unless it is her being executed, or sacrifying herself, whatever, I'm so sick of her

like, i can't confirm, but im almost sure every shadowlands big cinematic despite the castle natandria have sylvanas as pivotal point on it, so yeah, no way she isn't on it, and just like anduin cinematic i assume she will rob this one as well.

[Alanar]

The avatar matches the personality to be honest.

He is kinda right... you know.

It was just part of the bachlash I would imagine, when your favorite lore person said he might not be fully gone. Where you went full rp on this and make it seem like hes just waiting again for another shot and brewing.

The truth is he wont for many years.. best shot is getting c'thong back in the game for a patch. Just like death theme wont return anytime soon after SL.