Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Wangming]

So far with PTR, it seems like they targeting mid July release date. Anyone on the same boat regarding this? Earliest I can see is early July with an announcement of patch coming within 2-3 weeks making it 1 month before it hits?

Mid July? No way in hell. If it came out on July 3, the gap between 9.0 and 9.1 would be as long as 6.0 and 6.2

[TheFirstOnes]

We still have the Dragonblight shot of the flying necropolis that hasn't been debunked yet. Could be a possible cinematic that acts as interlude to 9.2.

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Unreasonable? I don't think so. June 29 is totally reasonable.

That wasn’t Dragonblight, that was another zone, I’m pretty sure. Also, who knows what 9.2 is gonna be about. I’m think Azeroth/Reality Invasion with Northrend, Arthas, Elune and the Moon, the Gardens of Life and the Pantheon of Life, and the Sepulcher.

[Wangming]

The Jailer is still the one that orchestrated Arthas' fall from grace at the very least, absolving Arthas' a tiny bit as a baseline.

His and Sylvanas', and Sargeras' and pretty much everyone's. Robbing them all of their agency. See, this is the problem with mistery villains who reveal that everything in the past 20 years was all according to keikaku. There is no room for personal drama or growth. You are either the Janitor's puppet or a nice guy.

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That wasn’t Dragonblight, that was another zone, I’m pretty sure. Also, who knows what 9.2 is gonna be about. I’m think Azeroth/Reality Invasion with Northrend, Arthas, Elune and the Moon, the Gardens of Life and the Pantheon of Life, and the Sepulcher.

Well that's an idea I haven't heared before. Let's go to the Moon for a final battle between Light and Shadow.

[therumblings]

Lol CGI for a shit patch nobody is hyped for. Come on now, son.

Such gross ignorance, in such a short sentence.

[TheFirstOnes]

His and Sylvanas', and Sargeras' and pretty much everyone's. Robbing them all of their agency. See, this is the problem with mistery villains who reveal that everything in the past 20 years was all according to keikaku. There is no room for personal drama or growth. You are either the Janitor's puppet or a nice guy.

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Well that's an idea I haven't heared before. Let's go to the Moon for a final battle between Light and Shadow.

Why would we go to the moon for a Light and Shadow thing? It’s likely the Sepulcher is there. Elune is also there too, and she’s our perfect intro to us meeting the Pantheon of Life.

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Such gross ignorance, in such a short sentence.

Meanwhile, this is among the biggest lore patches in WoW, and the Jailer’s prolly gonna end up stronger than Sargeras by the time the raid ends.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

It’s a very big patch lore wise...

I laugh at this.

Every .3 patch has been bigger than this lore-wise. You're just assuming there's a lore bomb and it's not just "the covenants are friends again and Anduin is evil."

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I laugh at this.

Every .3 patch has been bigger than this lore-wise. You're just assuming there's a lore bomb and it's not just "the covenants are friends again and Anduin is evil."

Yes cause there's no big reveal coming after the raid right @_@

Come on dude.......... we end up near the Arbiter's chamber, what do you think is going to happen? Nothing?

[TheFirstOnes]

I laugh at this.

Every .3 patch has been bigger than this lore-wise. You're just assuming there's a lore bomb and it's not just "the covenants are friends again and Anduin is evil."

Except it’s not. 3.3 is legit JUST Icecrown and the LK’s fall (And the LK is a speck compared to the Jailer), and 5.3 was shit.

[Nyel]

Uhm... why is 9.1 so big lore-wise? It's just the wrap up of the Covenants which is basically nothing new and then the Jailer stuff at the end of the raid. There really isn't much happening in 9.1 at all, just at the end of the raid and 99% of that is part of 9.2.

9.1.5 or 9.2 will be big lore-wise because it'll most likely wrap up the Anduin / Jailer storyline, but 9.1 really is just setting the stage for the upcoming finale.

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Meanwhile, this is among the biggest lore patches in WoW, and the Jailer’s prolly gonna end up stronger than Sargeras by the time the raid ends.

Please, stop with this. It's silly.

[TheFirstOnes]

Uhm... why is 9.1 so big lore-wise? It's just the wrap up of the Covenants which is basically nothing new and then the Jailer stuff at the end of the raid. There really isn't much happening in 9.1 at all, just at the end of the raid and 99% of that is part of 9.2.

9.1.5 or 9.2 will be big lore-wise because it'll most likely wrap up the Anduin / Jailer storyline, but 9.1 really is just setting the stage for the upcoming finale.

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Please, stop with this. It's silly.

“Please stop”

Why? Do you not want the Enemy of All to...ya know, BE THE ENEMY OF ALL?! Like wtf?

[therumblings]

Regardless of power levels or patch hype, there is undoubtedly a cinematic coming, they would not, especially during covid delays, make extra CGI models for a few seconds in a trailer.

[TheFirstOnes]

The Enemy of All and the guy to basically “rule and wash away all of existence and it’s cosmic powers” should TOTALLY be weaker than the Dark Titan, correct?

No.

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“Uhm... why is 9.1 so big lore-wise? It's just the wrap up of the Covenants which is basically nothing new and then the Jailer stuff at the end of the raid. There really isn't much happening in 9.1 at all, just at the end of the raid and 99% of that is part of 9.2.“

The wrapping up of the Covenant story, Korthia’s Codex shit, and the Jailer plotline is EXACTLY why this is among the biggest plots in WoW.

[Nyel]

The Enemy of All and the guy to basically “rule and wash away all of existence and it’s cosmic powers” should TOTALLY be weaker than the Dark Titan, correct?

No.

What kind of headcannon fanfiction is that? Sargeras was build up for several decades. Decades - until we dealt with him (and not even killed him). And now a complete nobody that has been made up 1.5 years ago should be the new supervillain and the most powerful enemy we've fought yet? Come on. Just to write this down made me cringe hard.

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The Enemy of All and the guy to basically “rule and wash away all of existence and it’s cosmic powers” should TOTALLY be weaker than the Dark Titan, correct?

No.

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“Uhm... why is 9.1 so big lore-wise? It's just the wrap up of the Covenants which is basically nothing new and then the Jailer stuff at the end of the raid. There really isn't much happening in 9.1 at all, just at the end of the raid and 99% of that is part of 9.2.“

The wrapping up of the Covenant story, Korthia’s Codex shit, and the Jailer plotline is EXACTLY why this is among the biggest plots in WoW.

Again, there's no meat to all of that in 9.1. There's no real Jailer storyline whatsoever, all of that will come after 9.1. The Covenant stuff is just exactly the same we had before and the Korthia stuff... yeah. Don't blow this up, 9.1 is not nearly as big as you make it to be.

[Revamp Man]

I think leaving him in the Maw is a far greater fate for Arthas than with Sylvanas. Sylvanas, you at the very least have the excuse of the Jailer probably taking part of her soul and essentially deceiving her for his own ends.

Arthas did practically all of his evil ass shit on his own accord.

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Or: She tries to stop the Jailer, dies doing it, and we with the Pantheons of Life and Death + the First Ones' power anchoring through Azeroth destroy him.

not enough glory to her for Danuser
his waifu must be the final component and make the ultimate sacrifice because otherwise hes sad

[Wangming]

What kind of headcannon fanfiction is that? Sargeras was build up for several decades. Decades - until we dealt with him (and not even killed him). And now a complete nobody that has been made up 1.5 years ago should be the new supervillain and the most powerful enemy we've fought yet? Come on. Just to write this down made me cringe hard.

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Again, there's no meat to all of that in 9.1. There's no real Jailer storyline whatsoever, all of that will come after 9.1. The Covenant stuff is just exactly the same we had before and the Korthia stuff... yeah. Don't blow this up, 9.1 is not nearly as big as you make it to be.

bUt hEz Da Enemy Of aLl

[BaumanKing]

What are the chances for Yrel to invade SL with her army as a payback for naaru's humiliation in Revendreth? I mean, if SL are the same for all realities, this could be a great opportunity to bring her back.

[Lady Atia]

What are the chances for Yrel to invade SL with her army as a payback for naaru's humiliation in Revendreth? I mean, if SL are the same for all realities, this could be a great opportunity to bring her back.

I doubt we will have time for filler raids this expansion. I could have seen them doing Thros/Drust aswell as AU Shattrath or Naxxramas 3.0 as first Tier after Castle Nathria similiar to Nazjatar/Mechagon, but it makes no sense to do that now that we are already attacking the Maw with the next patch. I guess we will see them again once we visit the planes of life and light in their own expansions.

[TheFirstOnes]

What kind of headcannon fanfiction is that? Sargeras was build up for several decades. Decades - until we dealt with him (and not even killed him). And now a complete nobody that has been made up 1.5 years ago should be the new supervillain and the most powerful enemy we've fought yet? Come on. Just to write this down made me cringe hard.

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Again, there's no meat to all of that in 9.1. There's no real Jailer storyline whatsoever, all of that will come after 9.1. The Covenant stuff is just exactly the same we had before and the Korthia stuff... yeah. Don't blow this up, 9.1 is not nearly as big as you make it to be.

How's it headcanon? Build up doesn't mean you're more powerful. Yes, Sargeras was built up since WC1 as the main antagonist...that we KNEW of. What we DIDN'T know was that the Void Lords existed (Which were technically built up in a way since TBC), and the Jailer existed. And the Jailer is essentially the Enemy of All and is hinted to aim for control over all existence. What we also know now is that his agents such as Denathrius and Denathrius' Dreadlords basically fooled everyone in the Cosmos, including Sargeras (Hence causing him to begin his Burning Crusade to begin with), so that only makes the bounty on his head even greater. Him being able to surpass Sargeras in power is also totally possible. You don't need to have build up to become "powerful". Look at Deathwing, the LK, or N'Zoth. They're powerful and they have a lot of build up to them, but they are surpassed by other dudes with lesser build up to them.

If you want a good example of "Build up doesn't mean more powerful" look at Dragon Ball, or a ton of the fucking comics that exist out there.

Also, what the fuck are you talking about? 9.1 is 100% about the Jailer. The ending of the Covenant Campaigns directly ties into their role against the Jailer, and is required for new sigils to be made. Meanwhile, the Jailer throughout the questline is being shown to claim practically every Sigil (Except the Arbiter's, so far), and everytime we try to stop him, we fail in different ways. For the Archon, we were too late. For the Winter Queen, the Sigil was stolen from within. From the Primus, it was from an ambush. And from Denathrius, he just gave the Sigil to Zovaal.

The main question right now is, will the final part of the Sylvanas fight be about the Covenant leaders and their new Sigils Vs the Jailer and the Old Sigils? Or will it just be the Jailer claiming the last sigil in the final phase of the fight, and the next patch is about us having the new Sigils and us POTENTIALLY (Not saying it's gonna happen) meeting the Pantheon of Life and getting them to aid our cause against the Jailer and his invasion over Reality and Life.

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bUt hEz Da Enemy Of aLl

Listen, I know it's a meme, but you do know that's not a lie, right?

[Revamp Man]

What are the chances for Yrel to invade SL with her army as a payback for naaru's humiliation in Revendreth? I mean, if SL are the same for all realities, this could be a great opportunity to bring her back.

The answer is as far as we know currently 0

The light attacked from their domain
Yrel is just wandering space in the AU

[Alanar]

not enough glory to her for Danuser
his waifu must be the final component and make the ultimate sacrifice because otherwise hes sad

People still try to make the danuser joke work lol.

Can imagine danuser with hes palm in hes face the whole day.

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What kind of headcannon fanfiction is that? Sargeras was build up for several decades. Decades - until we dealt with him (and not even killed him). And now a complete nobody that has been made up 1.5 years ago should be the new supervillain and the most powerful enemy we've fought yet? Come on. Just to write this down made me cringe hard.

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Again, there's no meat to all of that in 9.1. There's no real Jailer storyline whatsoever, all of that will come after 9.1. The Covenant stuff is just exactly the same we had before and the Korthia stuff... yeah. Don't blow this up, 9.1 is not nearly as big as you make it to be.

Yes its hard to care for him when i feels like they made him up like last year. He has almost zero built up and there is not much story to invest in.

I agree that 9.1 looks realy hollow and there are a couple of cool lore bits wich indirectly links to the jailer.. but its realy not much.