Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Triceron]

im fairly certain
he guessed us not killing aszhara and her releasing nzoth, 8.2.5 finishing up the war campaign story ousting sylvanas, and 8.3 being nzoth
its in the razorpax leak in the spreadsheet i believe

Do you have a link or know where I can find the spreadsheet?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1758213767

All I found was this one, which is a gem in of itself. Nothing about the 8.x news though.

[Zankai27]

Do you have a link or know where I can find the spreadsheet?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1758213767

All I found was this one, which is a gem in of itself. Nothing about the 8.x news though.

Wait, Razorpax is just that guy that keeps trying to make Talon Guard a thing, right? (As opposed to Dragonsworn, never really got that. We already have a concept like that.) What's believable about his old 9.0 leaks? The expansion was totally wrong. Or is the idea that his Dragon Isles ideas have merit?

[Teriz]

Not really, no. He described all the limitations about only being able to chat in party and not in public chats, and also no cross faction guilds. All he left out was being able to add people to party via your real ID and battletag list I believe (been a while since I read all that stuff) and there's not really a reason to expect him to know that is possible if he was playing a test of the game with no real ID or battletag friends attached to the account.

He didn't mention those limitations when he made the leak. He was quite sure what features were in Cross Faction, as well as what features were not in cross faction. He was even sure it was a 10.0 feature. Only when the actual details of the cross factions feature came to light did the excuses start rolling in.

[Triceron]

I couldn't give you any specifics without sounding like a massive tool, so I don't have anything more to offer. The people I knew at Blizzard don't work there anymore and that's not something I ever asked them. But do we have any evidence at all Blizzard DOES use focus groups?

Whatever though. You and I are way, way too different about this. I'll be back to point fingers at the "leaker" if this all turns out false though. Count on it!

If it doesn't...well, I'll take the L on here and go play a better game.

Like dude, I'm honestly fine if you think the rumor is bullshit.

Just don't go around telling me it's gonna be anything more than just your opinion, otherwise I'm gonna cut through the bullshit and throw it back in your face. Can't bullshit a bullshitter.

I'm not sold on the rumor myself. To be honest this back and forth puts more spotlight on it than I care anyways. If it weren't for all the people going out of their way to prove how wrong with equally-if-not-more baseless speculation, I wouldn't have given much of a second thought about it. All it really takes is someone to say 'I don't believe it' and I'm completely fine with that. It just makes no sense why anyone needs to go the extra mile to try and prove that it's wrong when there's clearly nothing there to debunk it yet.

This just reminds me of discussions years ago when people were just so adamant that Demon Hunters would never be playable. Like, I just don't get the mentality behind having to go out of your way to debunk the idea that something won't happen, when there's no real proof either way. Just say you don't like it and be done.

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Wait, Razorpax is just that guy that keeps trying to make Talon Guard a thing, right? (As opposed to Dragonsworn, never really got that. We already have a concept like that.) What's believable about his old 9.0 leaks? The expansion was totally wrong. Or is the idea that his Dragon Isles ideas have merit?

I don't know anything about this which is why I'm asking for information so I can look into it. I don't know if anything has merit or not when this is the first I've heard of this spreadsheet.

[Syegfryed]

But this is like talking about an episode of Kitchen Nightmares without Gordon Ramsay being there to kick their asses into shape. How likely is it with the team that is working on WoW, which has been *tailored* to keep the machine well greased, going to come up with new ideas on how to reinvigorate WoW?

Pretty simple, new races and classes is the thing that do most of the trick, we don't need Metzen or any of the old devs for that.

"dragon isles" as a thematic standpoint have enough material to be a bigger Legion EASY, dragons are fan favorite in fantasy, its rly HARD to miss with then, i mean, cataclysm jokes aside, besides DS it was a solid expansion and wasn't even just dragons.

[Three Faced Goddess]

no need to argue, I was definitely under the impression that xfaction was a 10.0 feature

the version I played still had shadowlands logon/splashscreen, and the loading screens for any new areas were just the generic placeholder one (dwarf on gryphon). there's likely a name and logo at this point, there was just no trace of it in the build I played. lips are very tight, the only piece of information I've been able to get since my hands-on experience was "announcement this week".

If the leak you made is true (I hope it isn't) almost nobody that left will return because it is so barren of anything appealing or interesting. I know I won't be coming back as badly as I want a reason to. New classes, races/ar, customization options, class skins, new specs, etc are what a lot of people want. As much as some people peddle Shadowlands as this wonderful/good expansion, Blizzard really can't afford another Shadowlands as far as goodwill goes.

[Izalla]

He didn't mention those limitations when he made the leak. He was quite sure what features were in Cross Faction, as well as what features were not in cross faction. He was even sure it was a 10.0 feature. Only when the actual details of the cross factions feature came to light did the excuses start rolling in.

He doesn't need to mention the limitations, since it is entirely possible that never occurred to him and he just took it all at face value. Things also could have easily changed since then as he covered his butt right away by saying what he played was old. Again, I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS "LEAK". I just do not think it has actually been debunked yet, just like many others haven't truly been debunked yet as the expac hasn't been announced in order to show how wrong they all are, even if we know full well the nonsense presented in many of them is obviously not true. But this is the only one that has an actual detail we know is correct, before it was announced, and nothing you guys have said against the way it was described changes my mind about it being correct.

Does that mean the leak is real? No. It just means one detail in a long list of details is correctly known to match what cross faction is expected to look like when we get it in 9.2.5. NOTHING else lends it credibility. If someone else guesses one thing that just happens to get proven right after an announcement (such as if there had been a leak that has nothing debunkable yet and was the only one to claim ahead of time that it will be revealed on April 19th), we would also pay attention to that one. This whole thing about him not being correct about cross faction has "that Bolvar image is fake because his eyes are blue" vibes... He can be right about cross faction completely by chance and still be a liar, but you are using tiny nitpicks that are easily explainable to discredit this one potentially lucky claim. You don't need to, you can just say you don't believe him and don't think his guess makes him credible.

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Like dude, I'm honestly fine if you think the rumor is bullshit.

Just don't go around telling me it's gonna be anything more than just your opinion, otherwise I'm gonna cut through the bullshit and throw it back in your face. Can't bullshit a bullshitter.

I'm not sold on the rumor myself. To be honest this back and forth puts more spotlight on it than I care anyways. If it weren't for all the people going out of their way to prove how wrong with equally-if-not-more baseless speculation, I wouldn't have given much of a second thought about it. All it really takes is someone to say 'I don't believe it' and I'm completely fine with that. It just makes no sense why anyone needs to go the extra mile to try and prove that it's wrong when there's clearly nothing there to debunk it yet.

This just reminds me of discussions years ago when people were just so adamant that Demon Hunters would never be playable. Like, I just don't get the mentality behind having to go out of your way to debunk the idea that something won't happen, when there's no real proof either way. Just say you don't like it and be done.

Exaaaaactlyyyyyy... Okay I'm done with this argument now, it's a waste of energy.

[Triceron]

Pretty simple, new races and classes is the thing that do most of the trick, we don't need Metzen or any of the old devs for that.

"dragon isles" as a thematic standpoint have enough material to be a bigger Legion EASY, dragons are fan favorite in fantasy, its rly HARD to miss with then, i mean, cataclysm jokes aside, besides DS it was a solid expansion and wasn't even just dragons.

I completely agree.

But hey, WoW needs plenty of things to improve. Better story telling with someone who can keep shit consistent, like a Kevin Feige for the Warcraft universe. More content for casuals end game, not just dumbed down raid content. Actual character progression that isn't parasitic design.

All of it us unfortunately easier said than done, because adding a new race or class adds a ton of work. Thats why we didn't even get a new race in BFA. Allied Races are all just modified existing races. And even then they added no new ones for Shadowlands.

I would want them to double down on making a fantastic 10.0, give me a reason to come back. But I simply doubt it since they cut some core people from all the shit that went down last two years.

[Archmage Xaxxas]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...sabled/1197198

Hey folks - while preparing to release the last three bosses of Sepulcher of the First Ones tomorrow, we discovered an issue with the Ruined Crest of Lordaeron, a shield that drops from the Lords of Dread encounter. This issue isn’t something we’ll be able to resolve in the next day before launch, and we don’t believe it’s worth holding back the release tomorrow, so this means that we’ll be disabling the item from the Lords of Dread loot table until the next weekly reset on 3/15.

We understand that many players have been making decisions about what raid compositions and classes to run in anticipation of the Sepulcher’s more mysterious and challenging encounters becoming available, and not having access to this higher-item level piece during that first week puts a damper on that excitement for those affected.

While we don’t believe it’ll take us the entire week to solve the issue, we’re leaving it disabled so as not to disadvantage the more cutting-edge raiders who will be clearing the Lords of Dread earlier in the week vs those who would come around to it later. It’s also worth noting that despite this unfortunate situation, the Ruined Crest of Lordaeron will still be available in 3/15’s Great Vault for eligible raiders who manage to take down the Lords of Dread this week.

Luckily, the news isn’t all bad. We’ve heard the feedback that the First-Ones visuals didn’t match up with the name and theme of the item, which many felt were ill-fitting of such an iconic Warcraft character in Mal’Ganis. When the shield is re-enabled with the 3/15 reset, it’ll be sporting an entirely new, exclusive appearance that some very old-school members of the Alliance may remember well…



We appreciate everyone’s patience as we deal with getting this issue resolved as quickly as cleanly as possible. Thanks for understanding, and we wish you the best of luck taking the fight to the Jailer tomorrow and in the weeks to come.

This is pretty neat! Love the change on that shield. Wonder why it wasn't planned to look this way from the start.

Didn't those assets get datamined alongside 9.0 and the Exiles Reach stuff?

[AOL Instant Messenger]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...sabled/1197198


This is pretty neat! Love the change on that shield. Wonder why it wasn't planned to look this way from the start.

Didn't those assets get datamined alongside 9.0 and the Exiles Reach stuff?

This is highly suggestive of a world revamp, I think. Why else would they have that asset, of all things, on hand?

[Archmage Xaxxas]

This is highly suggestive of a world revamp, I think. Why else would they have that asset, of all things, on hand?

https://www.wowhead.com/news/exiles-...-318546?page=2

Shields are at the bottom.
Basically we've been asking that same question, with the same angle since before SL even launched.

Edit: buuut I just realized the meshes and textures actually are new compared to those datamined ones! huh.

[KainneAbsolute]

This is highly suggestive of a world revamp, I think. Why else would they have that asset, of all things, on hand?

It would interesting if they revamp zones in Azeroth in preparation for the next expansion. 9.2.5 can be the return to Azeroth and how it changed.

[Teriz]

He doesn't need to mention the limitations, since it is entirely possible that never occurred to him and he just took it all at face value. Things also could have easily changed since then as he covered his butt right away by saying what he played was old. Again, I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS "LEAK". I just do not think it has actually been debunked yet, just like many others haven't truly been debunked yet as the expac hasn't been announced in order to show how wrong they all are, even if we know full well the nonsense presented in many of them is obviously not true. But this is the only one that has an actual detail we know is correct, before it was announced, and nothing you guys have said against the way it was described changes my mind about it being correct.

If you’d stop making excuses for its obvious inaccuracies, you would realize it’s been debunked multiple times.

[Khaza-R]

This is highly suggestive of a world revamp, I think. Why else would they have that asset, of all things, on hand?

Technically, they did have a model laying around. It was datamined back with the Exile's Reach new weapons (I believe?).

What's interesting is that despite them being very similar that they decided to still make a new model and the Sepulcher shield has a unique shape.

[Cosmic Janitor]

Do they replace this one: https://www.wowhead.com/item=189845/...ron?bonus=6805 ?

If so, I gotta say I'd rather have the model that fits the rest of the zone loot (and therefore my tier sets) than a random pimped vanilla item. The lordaeron shields would have made for nice cosmetic bonus loot, like the shaman set in SoO.

[Triceron]

If you’d stop making excuses for its obvious inaccuracies, you would realize it’s been debunked multiple times.

lol, that doesn't actually debunk it because it never went out of its way to make claims that were proved wrong.

Unlike Awakenings that went out of its way to call cross faction 'United factions' and go out of their way to call 9.2 'Fate of Eternity'. That would be debunked.

[Teriz]

lol, that doesn't actually debunk it because it never went out of its way to make claims that could be proved wrong.

Uh, cross factions being a feature of the next expansion has been proven wrong. The leaker doesn’t want to reveal the name of the next expansion. The notion that Blizzard is considering a tank spec for Hunters when they’re struggling with the current three specs? C’mon man.

[Khaza-R]

If so, I gotta say I'd rather have the model that fits the rest of the zone loot (and therefore my tier sets) than a random pimped vanilla item. The lordaeron shields would have made for nice cosmetic bonus loot, like the shaman set in SoO.

Its weird because there's plenty of items in WoW were the model doesn't match the name or description. Why start now?

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Technically, they did have a model laying around. It was datamined back with the Exile's Reach new weapons (I believe?).

What's interesting is that despite them being very similar that they decided to still make a new model and the Sepulcher shield has a unique shape.

Now that's interesting. Again, that means they've been doing more work on this—I highly doubt they made this so quickly, so I'm figuring that it's also a mesh they were previously going to use elsewhere.

I am very interested to see where this goes.

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https://www.wowhead.com/news/exiles-...-318546?page=2

Shields are at the bottom.
Basically we've been asking that same question, with the same angle since before SL even launched.

Edit: buuut I just realized the meshes and textures actually are new compared to those datamined ones! huh.

I do recall that. The meshes sure are an interesting development. I do think I initially dismissed the Lordaeroni shields as just being a piece of loot on Exile's Reach, admittedly, but now that it shows up again here makes me more doubtful of that. I am now a lot more optimistic.

[Triceron]

Uh, cross factions being a feature of the next expansion has been proven wrong. The leaker doesn’t want to reveal the name of the next expansion. The notion that Blizzard is considering a tank spec for Hunters when they’re struggling with the current three specs? C’mon man.

Oh, you're right! Blizzard is definitely struggling with 3 Hunter specs as it is. Consider this debunked!