Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Black Rider]

So cosmos...
I guess it's gonna be a voidlord expansion.

[Landrisser]

Now that was pure quality. The future is looking bright for this game

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I also assume that, but it seems like a bunch of people somehow misconstrued it as being "there's some other bigger villain that's going to show up", when it's pretty clear all he meant was that (exactly as we've already seen) the cosmic forces are actively trying to tear the whole universe apart in their vying for power.

That's what I'd figure based on context, but it is also true that there's a continuous sequence of increasingly-powerful villains, which has probably soured people to the idea and made them convinced that there will have to be a bigger, badder villain. I can see this as a problem, but I also am more inclined to hope Blizzard has developed somehow from their past mistakes and will actually make a decent plot out of this coming war.

[Teriz]

Where?

Having traveled to the Shadowlands, Gallywix was able to gain access into Tazavesh, the Veiled Market. He can subsequently be found within the Myza's Oasis, where he seems to be in a meeting with the broker negotiators of Cartel Xy. He is accompanied by Hired Scoundrels, and despite officially no longer leader of the Bilgewater Cartel, he still appears with the title Trade Prince

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Jastor_Gallywix

2010 is a long way back. You need something recent.

Not really since they brought the Goblins back to Kezan, just like they said they would in BFA. So now that that’s done, revealing Undermine is back on the table.

I doubt it's the end of WoW.
Secondly, no one said it's 10.0.

Fighting the literal void is the end of WoW. And again, I’m talking about 10.0.

Currently part of the other specs. You do know i'm for an Earth tanking spec, right? You don't need to convince me.
But, just because someone wants it, doesn't mean it has priority over others.

Again, the point is that if Blizzard was planning to add tank specs to existing classes, Shaman would be on top of the list.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

I suppose I could see a sensible stage for an invasion from the lens of a normal, classical Azeroth invasion. If Light – Void is not 11.0 instead, I could see a new crusade on Azeroth under Turalyon culminating in a Lightbound invasion, which would be for the purposes of sterilizing the Void corruption in Azeroth, and there's already indication that Yogg-Saron is active again (especially with this new kickstarter, but it may only prove to be the same as Sargeras' sword near C'Thun—a moot point).

Much as I'd hate to say it, 10.0 has high odds of looking like BFA 2 right now. Just swap Sylvanas and Turalyon.

And throw in Y'rel because no way they'll make the faction war front and center so Turalyon will need third party troops when most of the Alliance comes to their senses in the pre-event.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Knowing Blizz I bet the "flaw" is some high-concept kinda-meta thing like a "Universe built on War cannot survive."

Realistically, when you're dealing with forces that aren't binary good-and-evil systems, then a system built on conflict isn't a bad one. It would just be a physical equivalent of Hegel's philosophy, with the underlying sublation that results from every conflict being better than the preceding non-sublated concepts.

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Much as I'd hate to say it, 10.0 has high odds of looking like BFA 2 right now. Just swap Sylvanas and Turalyon.

And throw in Y'rel because no way they'll make the faction war front and center so Turalyon will need third party troops when most of the Alliance comes to their senses in the pre-event.

I'm honestly hoping that we get to side with Turalyon. I never got the weird "Light bad" stuff they're trying to shove down our throats—oh noes! The very embodiment of good and benevolence might be using slightly extreme methods against the Axis-esque faction of imperialistic war criminals on some backwater time-warped planet? Clearly, they must the bad guyerinos!

[Sondrelk]

How the hell is the Lich King cinematic when Arthas died so good, and this is so bad? It lasted 4+ minutes, had character development, emotion, great music, sweet voice work, and a satisfying conclusion ON TOP OF teasing a potential future problem.

This is just a big meh.

Because the WotLK ending was building off years of buildup to a character we've seen basically from birth, slowly losing his humanity as he descends deeper into villainy while keeping a strong core. Then several expansions where he was set up as a big baddie we would have to defeat, leasing to a long awaited ending.

The Jailer was introduced this expansion, got forcibly crowbarred into the plot, never got proper characterization or had his motivations established.
Then finally he went straight for the big endgame and we have no clue what this character is about beyond being evil.

[Kiivar86]

I did say to not expect much, if anything.

[Nyel]

Can someone give me a quick TL;DR on the Jailer cinematics? Anything interesting happened or was it as lame as Reddit suggests?

[Nibelheimy]

What's really sad is that the Jailer cinematic was better than the N'zoth one. In comparing the build up for the two characters.

But the forge of souls intro was cool and I do not hate the Jailer ending cinematic. I actually got more information from it then I expected to.

Also, to me anyway, the "A Cosmos divided will not survive what is to come" implies a force outside of the 6 known forces, and people shouldn't be shocked at that as a possibility. That is one thing they have actively starting to build up and we could accurately guess we know would be happening eventually. Not that I'm gunna like it.

[Lady Atia]

So the Jailer was an anti-hero all along? I knew it!

[Darkarath]

Pffffff soooo dissapointing. Shadowlands was soooo filler. Ok so now a even bigger guy than the 6 cosmic forces is coming... Uhhhhhhh, another threath about which we know nothing and which already seems as boring as Zooval.

Because Blizzard always have to go big, we have to defeat the masters of the universe. Meaningful and interesting stories with human and down to earth characters is not an option.

Sadly, after this cinematic, I do not see a world revamp for the next expansion

[Zulggun]

Can someone give me a quick TL;DR on the Jailer cinematics? Anything interesting happened or was it as lame as Reddit suggests?

Jailer falls to his knees his armor disappearing and turn into robot while having flashbacks(?) of fellow fist ones asking him "why he did the bad thing?". Then he says, more evil os yet to come and rift above icc closes

[Kiivar86]

Can someone give me a quick TL;DR on the Jailer cinematics? Anything interesting happened or was it as lame as Reddit suggests?

The ending is basically the Jailer losing his armor and reverting to his robot-proto-self thing as flashbakcs to each of the covenant leaders, Denathrius included, show, each of them basically going "you're evil and so we're casting you down from Arbiter". I actually liked that part.

Jailer then says "a cosmos divided cannot withstand what is to come." Then dies.

[Bomba the Shaman]

Well that cinematic was a hype-killer. And they're going to make us wait until april19th for the xpack announcement.
The 'leak artists' need to step up their game to keep us entertained until then.

[Nyel]

The ending is basically the Jailer losing his armor and reverting to his robot-proto-self thing as flashbakcs to each of the covenant leaders, Denathrius included, show, each of them basically going "you're evil and so we're casting you down from Arbiter". I actually liked that part.

Jailer then says "a cosmos divided cannot withstand what is to come." Then dies.

Ok, I watched it. It's f*ckn terrible. Like honestly. lol

I had zero expectations. Like zero. But this is even worse than everything I could have imagined. Does this even deserver to be called "cinematic"?

[rainhard]

Did the jailer fight use the weird Zovaal talk during the raid btw if anyone was paying attention or are those yet to come?

[KOUNTERPARTS]

So the Jailer was an anti-hero all along? I knew it!

Yeah that is what I am gathering from this.


According to the Jailer's logic... a "restarted" reality where everybody serves him eliminates the other threat he referenced in the cinematic.


Much like the Lich King's original shit via Warcraft Chronicle. An united undead Azeroth to stand against the Burning Legion.

[Raetary]

Can someone give me a quick TL;DR on the Jailer cinematics? Anything interesting happened or was it as lame as Reddit suggests?

The Jailer starts dissolving, then we see memories of him in the Arbiters chamber bound, getting berated by the other Covnenant leaders.
Primus asks him why he did... whatever he did, Janitor says "A cosmos divided will not survive... what is to come" - memory is over, his eyes fade and he dies.

Rift above icecrown gets closed - cause reasons.

End.

[Kiivar86]

Pffffff soooo dissapointing. Shadowlands was soooo filler. Ok so now a even bigger guy than the 6 cosmic forces is coming... Uhhhhhhh, another threath about which we know nothing and which already seems as boring as Zooval.(

To be fair, they did start seeding something about a seventh force a little while ago, at least in Korthia (something along the lines of "the seventh desires what the six hold fast" or something to that extent).

It was pretty much a certainty.