Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Catastrophy349]

Already debunked when it says he left a rift or whatever. No indication.

It was a joke haha. I just wanted to reference this based on their post.

[TJkroz]

I actually don't think it was Sadfangs and Varians soul, but rather a vision/projection of the Light.

I agree with you. Maybe it's just in Anduin's mind, or some remnant left behind in the sword.

[Shadochi]

I refuse to put full blame on just one guy for everything wrong with the story.
Sure he is the lead but there is still a team of writers and anyone who worked on lore in gamedev knows that it's not just the other people writing out the ideas of the Lead.
What we could hold him for is probably the part where the mysteries didn't get resolved and the Sylvanas spotlight. But for other stuff he mostly probably came up with broad concepts which the rest of the team worked on, or reviewing ideas of other writers and Warcrafting them to fit the story.

If he really was this dictator over ALL THE LORE and Story team they wouldn't have kept him for so long.
But his general style seems to be writing overarching mysteries, thats okay since since every writer needs their style.



Now on to the cinematic and what it tells us:

I guess the name Forge of Souls makes more sense now. And I LOVE that he didn't just use Titan tech (I assumed he would try reorigination of the cosmos because of the Cosmos dude he had with him. But I LOVE that they used actual machinery built by people under his command and presumably for this goal and purpose. I am guessing his plan was to initially have Arthas break the helm after a sufficient amount of scourge was on Azeroth so no rebellion. He could open the portal to gain a large (whole planet population) army. Afterwards he couldn't take hold of bolvar so the more complicated plan got spring up. And he still kept the rest of his force under control in case they are neede. (For example we still don't know why he needed a Nathrezim in the Army of Light but he had influence there).

I believe the events we saw weren't Zovaal's masterplan all along, but he spread his influence wide so that if something fails he still has options to his goal. If what I mentioned above happened then he might not have needed the new Arbiter to break, or perhaps he had a different way of doing that (CHanneling all the souls in frostmourne). Sargeras destroying Azeroth would've probably also benefited his goals.

I am very interested to find out what this divide in the cosmos might be.

As for impact of Azeroth we saw that it obviously doesn't have any directly observable impact on Azeroth as most of it would be focused on Icecrown and Northrend, but what it could lead to is later consequences (months ingame time, between now and 10.0 ingame time) that could show up because a portion of he soul was syphoned,. To me at the moment world revamp seems a bit less likely as we would've gotten an Icecrown revamp similar to Silithus after Antorus. It is still possible for an revamp to occure because of this down the line but in my opinion down the line.

Also has anyone in the US checked after defeating Zovaal if the red star is still up in the sky?

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Also to add, this cinematic was definitely better than the 8.3 ending cinematic, but worse than the 8.3.5 ending (Saurfang v Sylvanas)

[Syegfryed]

That's not what you typed though?

Him is a singular pronoun. Did you mean to type "them"? Also, lmao

i don't see the big deal with a wrong typo that you want to base your strawman though.

I appreciate you doubling down and proving my exact point. Thank you.

Not rly, cause your point is that i said everything is danuser fault, i only said shadowlands is his fault

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No, you didn't. You said "a writing team without danuser", which implies that you're blaming everything on him.

there is nothing implying that, at all, you are just like the other, jumping to conclusions.

I'm blaming everything in shadowlands on him, but he was part of trilogy

[Revamp Man]

So the jailer essentially tried what Wrathion did in MoP except instead of manipulating people he just said “I’ll do it myself”

[Syegfryed]

Steve "I used to dream of being a famous game designer" Danuser ...

Careful what you wish for

glad to know shadowlands shitshow is him expression himself, kinda explain why the self insert and the sylvanas worship

[Teriz]

Thrall sums up my feelings about this expansion;



No old friend, you certainly are not.

[Izalla]

Thrall sums up my feelings about this expansion;

[img]https://i.redd.it/07uvsj4bi9m81.png[img]

No old friend, you certainly are not.

Man I hope that is an indication that the devs get how important it is for them to focus on Azeroth again and pull back from the universe destroying cosmic threats for a while.

[Gloriandus]

[Teriz]

Man I hope that is an indication that the devs get how important it is for them to focus on Azeroth again and pull back from the universe destroying cosmic threats for a while.

I'm pretty sure we are.

Dragon Isles or Undermine would be my guess. Maybe both of them at the same time.

[Catastrophy349]

Broken record.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Thrall sums up my feelings about this expansion;



No old friend, you certainly are not.

I have to admit a soft spot for the philosophical side of things this expansion has introduced, but the environments are somewhat difficult to invest myself in. I would love to see Lordaeron and Quel'Thalas again.

[Zankai27]

Honestly there's lots of things I did enjoy this expansion

-Bwonsamdi is a chad 110% of the time
-Denathrius is the best villain we got in it, and he actually feels like an organic extension of the Nathrezim.
-Brokers are awesome and I hope we see more of them
-First Ones aesthetic is fucking rad, and I honestly like a lot of their concepts. Kind of want to design a First Ones-themed class now...

Still, very much hoping April 19th has something we can actually sink our teeth into. Ready to go home for a while.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Honestly there's lots of things I did enjoy this expansion

-Bwonsamdi is a chad 110% of the time
-Denathrius is the best villain we got in it, and he actually feels like an organic extension of the Nathrezim.
-Brokers are awesome and I hope we see more of them
-First Ones aesthetic is fucking rad, and I honestly like a lot of their concepts. Kind of want to design a First Ones-themed class now...

Still, very much hoping April 19th has something we can actually sink our teeth into. Ready to go home for a while.

It sucks when the Jailer's own death made Denathrius seem like a cooler villain then him. That "imagine what we could have accomplished together" could have screamed The Real Mastermind.

[Dragonborn]

Eh, couldn't be worse than the Sanctum of Domination cinematic. Definitely a better end cinematic than BfA and WoD. Not that it makes it any better, of course.

Would be really great if the threat he's talking about just turns out to be the other cosmic forces. His whole thing is practically the same as Sargeras, but through domination rather than destruction. Same for the Titans trying to order everything, as well as the Light and Void with their usual stuff. Not sure about Life, but maybe the players' perspective has been through Life all along idk. Basically it starts with someone being threatened by the other forces, leading them to do their thing(Burning Crusade, Domination, Ordering, etc.) and the other forces reacting to it in a similarly extreme way, leading to the cycle that we're in. That would make it so that instead of Zovaal being behind everything, it's actually all of these gods unwittingly playing each other with us being caught in the middle of it.

All of which reminds me of a whisper from Everliving Statuette that says: Hope. Betrayal. Sacrifice. Faces change. The tale does not.

[Triceron]

I thought the enemy pulling the strings was already known.


Danuser, no?

[Archmage Xaxxas]

I thought the enemy pulling the strings was already known.
Danuser, no?

this probably tracks better now that we're in the post-raid-cinematic era.

[Zankai27]

It sucks when the Jailer's own death made Denathrius seem like a cooler villain then him. That "imagine what we could have accomplished together" could have screamed The Real Mastermind.

Denathrius literally being the best character in Zovaal's own cinematic without even trying.

[username993720]

Sorry edited my last post. Anyway that applies to this as well.

The charm is kinda gone, just like the black empire for example.. we have been there and going there a second time is just not as exciting.

Like I said I could see the dream play a pivitol role with the green dragons with the whole dragon isle thing, but going there again, but with new zones out of the blue just wouldn't interest me much. Sure anything is possible, but for me the emerald dream as we know it and how we all speculated for years. All the things linked to it, were solved or fixed for the most part. The thing is.. it could have the most bizarre ideas and awesome zone disign and really cool new characters, but the problem is it would still all feel like they were made up yesterday. It was something I had and many others as critique for Sl. Even some familiar faces didn't really help.

Do I see us entering again? sure! A full blown expansion entirely on the emerald dream, when the story there is kinda over, we have been there before and would need something completely new(your concept as example) idk man, not entirely sure on that one.

Haven't you notices that they are repeating expansions lately? Draenor was extremely similar to Outland. We had a Burning Legion expansion in TBC. Faction war was done in MoP. Old Gods as well. Death was dealt with in Wrath. So, the Emerald Dream is the unnecessary one? Give me a break....

As for originality, there are a lot of inspirations already in lore that do not, necessarily, require new stuff to be made up. So, it would still be kept familiar:
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Eme...am#Inspiration

That doesn't really answer the question. Will those still work with the veil re-closed? Though i imagine the Nekrolords and Kyrians could get us out of the Shadowlands, but will they bring us to the right point in space-time?

Remember the Mag'har?
We recruited them from the alternate reality after the Dark Portal was destroyed and closed.

It sucks when the Jailer's own death made Denathrius seem like a cooler villain then him. That "imagine what we could have accomplished together" could have screamed The Real Mastermind.

The voice actor was hired to keep going after the initial launch just because of his awesome voice.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

The voice actor was hired to keep going after the initial launch just because of his awesome voice.

I, personally, can't wait to see a proper Cosmic War feature him front and center leading his own agenda instead of being shackled to the Bald Man. He is a much more fun and interesting representative of Death than Zovaal, and I'd rather see him leading it.

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It sucks when the Jailer's own death made Denathrius seem like a cooler villain then him. That "imagine what we could have accomplished together" could have screamed The Real Mastermind.

More personality for a main villain would be excellent—thus far, the most personality we've gotten out of an actual main antagonist is Garrosh.