Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Nyel]

I know quite a few people who completely stopped following lore in WoD because they didnt want to invest the time to understand who was a WoD copy and who wasnt.

I honestly think that did much more damage then an expansion like SL that is just going to be forgotten in a few years(much like bfa).

It's easier to forget a completely irrelevant alternate universe than forgetting the afterlife, isn't it?

[crusadernero]

Breaking News: People are now trying to say that WoD had good writing to put Shadowlands down.

What's next, WoD actually had excellent content outside of raiding and Shadowlands is way way worse than it?

Nope, it was shit. Was shit then, it is shit now. But that got nothing to do with how shit SL is. Shite for different reasons.

At the very least WoD was a clusterfuck of a story but we got known and relateable characters. It was also a nice segway to Legion. What is SL? A huge patch?

[Nyel]

Breaking News: People are now trying to say that WoD had good writing to put Shadowlands down.

Better, not good.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

Two terrible expansions in a row - BfA and Shadowlands.

They really need it to hit it out of the park with next expansion.

Some immediate, easy improvements would be getting rid of Hazzikostas and Danuser.

The story will NOT improve as long as Simpuser quartermasters the ship. And god forbid he ascends to captain

[Dragon ANX]

WoD was a shit xpac but is miles ahead of SL now. Even the time travelling shite in WoD is better than this. At the very least we got lots of cool characters in WoD.

Exactly, WoD was bad, but... man... SL makes it look like a 9/10 or 8/10 xpac

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

We're going to get a Deathwing 2.0 character but worse. They will be female and far more generic than the Jailer. Mark my words. Also? They will cover up Alexstrasza until not a scale is showing

[Varodoc]

Imagine the trailer of 10.0 and we hear the laughter of N'Zoth right at the end.

The [virtual] crowd would go crazy like when they heard Palpatine's laugh at the end of the trailer.

Since Danuser is likely a fan of Disney Star Wars, why not bring back the most manipulative villain in WoW?

[Kiivar86]

The force the Jailer was referring to is very clearly going to end up being what force the Devourers belong to. They are the only part of the Shadowlands story that wasn't given any explanation or motivation. They also don't use any magic that correlates to Light/Void/Fel/Life/Death/Arcane.

I imagine the Crooked Serpent mentioned in Legion is their leader or their chief entity.

I can also see a scenario in which the Devourers are the Warcraft version of Mass Effect's Reapers.

In addition to this, there's that strange reaction the devourers have when consuming stuff from Zereth Mortis, falling apart and whatnot. I don't think that's explained in any real detail yet.

[Nyel]

Imagine the trailer of 10.0 and we hear the laughter of N'Zoth at the end.

The [virtual] crowd would go crazy like when they heard Palpatine's laugh at the end of the trailer.

I honestly think this would be the coolest and most bad ass thing they could do. Unfortunately, it will not become reality. Unlike Shadowlands lore...

[crusadernero]

Exactly, WoD was bad, but... man... SL makes it look like a 9/10 or 8/10 xpac

Yeah. WoD was horrendous but atleast we got a closure/continuation of the story and we werent left hanging like morons after the last patch. We knew what was coming and all that. There were also plenty of awesome characters spread all over WoD. In the zones, dungeons, raids.

Its clear Blizzard has something planned and are probably looking at the 5 next years(as the previous 5) thinking "yeah this will be great!" but along the way the players(most important ones) are all the time left in the fucking dark.

Ask yourself - whatever comes next, was SL as an xpac ever really needed? Like, did this xpac serve any purpose whatsoever? Except for absolving Sylvanas for any guilt whatsoever, nothing was done.

[Arcinatoss]

Imagine the trailer of 10.0 and we hear the laughter of N'Zoth right at the end.

The [virtual] crowd would go crazy like when they heard Palpatine's laugh at the end of the trailer.

Since Danuser is likely a fan of Disney Star Wars, why not bring back the most manipulative villain in WoW?

"somehow n'zoth has returned"

[Soulwind]

WoD introduced the new Khadgar, which people really liked. It had pretty zones, good music, decent raids. The overarching story was rushed and particularly towards the end it didn't make much sense (infinite universes, one Legion...). It also severely lacked consequences: We spent a whole expansion there only to get, what, a copy of Gul'dan to justify Legion?

But the warlords were fun, the zone-specific stories were alright, and the Primals vs Breakers were an interesting concept that, along with intelligent ogres, wasn't properly explored, because they were rushing to get the Burning Legion back into the spotlight.

It was certainly the worst expansion at the time, but as far as storytelling goes, BfA and Shadowlands were worse...

[Nyel]

Yeah. WoD was horrendous but atleast we got a closure/continuation of the story and we werent left hanging like morons after the last patch. We knew what was coming and all that. There were also plenty of awesome characters spread all over WoD. In the zones, dungeons, raids.

Its clear Blizzard has something planned and are probably looking at the 5 next years(as the previous 5) thinking "yeah this will be great!" but along the way the players(most important ones) are all the time left in the fucking dark.

Ask yourself - whatever comes next, was SL as an xpac ever really needed? Like, did this xpac serve any purpose whatsoever? Except for absolving Sylvanas for any guilt whatsoever, nothing was done.

We can answer this question as soon as the next expansion is released. If the next expansion basically could take place right after 8.3, Shadowlands was pointless (and I think it'll be the case).

[Makorus]

Better, not good.

I mean, you literally said

What's wrong with WoD lore besides the time-traveling stuff?

To me, that sounds like you are saying it's good.

[Nyel]

WoD introduced the new Khadgar, which people really liked. It had pretty zones, good music, decent raids. The overarching story was rushed and particularly towards the end it didn't make much sense (infinite universes, one Legion...). It also severely lacked consequences: We spent a whole expansion there only to get, what, a copy of Gul'dan to justify Legion?

But the warlords were fun, the zone-specific stories were alright, and the Primals vs Breakers were an interesting concept that, along with intelligent ogres, wasn't properly explored, because they were rushing to get the Burning Legion back into the spotlight.

It was certainly the worst expansion at the time, but as far as storytelling goes, BfA and Shadowlands were worse...

I'd say alternate Gul'dan alone was worth it to have WoD. He was a brilliant character and bringing him back served a purpose and was incredibly well done.

[Makorus]

We can answer this question as soon as the next expansion is released. If the next expansion basically could take place right after 8.3, Shadowlands was pointless (and I think it'll be the case).

I mean, the only expansion with any lasting effects was Legion and Cata.

[shoc]

We're going to get a Deathwing 2.0 character but worse. They will be female and far more generic than the Jailer. Mark my words. Also? They will cover up Alexstrasza until not a scale is showing

10.0 Wings of Xal'akrond

[Varodoc]

The redeeming quality of BfA, aside from allied races (one in particular ), is that it saved Xal'atath and Azshara for future uses. Both are fun and popular villains who can easily carry an entire expansion (that Azshara DIDN'T have her own expansion is travesty but maybe the mistake can be corrected). I'm especially interested to see what will happen with Xal'atath and if the theories about her being a former Old God are true (rumours of a "fifth" Old God that was devoured by her brothers and erased from history).

And the thing about Azshara is that now she's no longer N'Zoth's minion, so she has a greater opportunity to serve as main villain of an expansion. Because she's no longer tied to the Old Gods.

[Soulwind]

I'd say alternate Gul'dan alone was worth it to have WoD. He was a brilliant character and bringing him back served a purpose and was incredibly well done.

A random, last minute Caverns of Time mini-raid could have done that. Or a quest chain. Or a book.

I'm not against alternate timelines, but if you're going to ask players to spend years in one, there should be more and better things planned. Which I'm sure there were originally, but they very clearly did a 90+ degree turn away from it.

[crusadernero]

We can answer this question as soon as the next expansion is released. If the next expansion basically could take place right after 8.3, Shadowlands was pointless (and I think it'll be the case).

Yeah true. I mean when im thinking about it, theres no reason for SL already. The jailer just say "for what is to come" without any clues whatsoever. Whatever comes next is going to be a surprise to us one way or another.

if theres some cosmic superpower that we never(or barely) have heard about or seen at all, it could might aswell have come right after we defeated N'zoth. How would Blizzard connect it to excisting lore? No idea, but they can figure shit up on the spot for it to "fit".