Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Sondrelk]

For all that it's likely just a blanket Sargeras retread, I think there's only two main currents. One that's more likely and one that's more sensible and vaguely more interesting.

1. It's the Void Lords. They're the biggest bad before SL and still are in it. They're an established threat and we know that the Void has attacked the Shadowlands before. It's the Sargeras motivation but without a beard.

2. It's systemic collapse. The Bald Man's plan after all doesn't involve preparing reality as is for anything, it's using the world soul as fuel to merge the divided cosmic powers into a single one under his own control. It's permanent stasis. He sees dividing the powers into competing elements to be self-destructive when one is knocked off balance and he's saving it by uniting it as a singular machine.

The latter makes more sense with Firim's journal and what has been said in the expansion up to now but given how the main problem of this villain and why he fails is that they've no idea what to do with him, that doesn't have much predictive potential.

Or alternatively, he wants to combine the cosmic forces against Reality, since that is the outside force from his perspective. He fears that the disparate cosmic forces will be too busy infighting to be able to stop us when we eventually unleash our true potential or whatever.
Would make for an interesting "twist" if the one thing he feared the most was always us and our murderhobo ways. I think that would put a nice spin on the whole First Ones debate if the big mystery is why they created six flawed cosmic forces and seemingly deliberately let a seventh one grow organically without much input.

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Firims diaries after the boss fight explicitly say it is NOT the Void.

It is an unknown 7th force.

It's almost definitely reality, the world that isnt a part of the six cosmic forces. It's described as "opposite" the six cosmic forces, both combining them and being in opposition, which is almost exactly what we see with our player characters.

[huth]

Remember the Mag'har?
We recruited them from the alternate reality after the Dark Portal was destroyed and closed.

"Doesn't answer" not "provides evidence to the contrary".

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It's almost definitely reality, the world that isnt a part of the six cosmic forces. It's described as "opposite" the six cosmic forces, both combining them and being in opposition, which is almost exactly what we see with our player characters.

No. It definitely is not. It's a seperate force that exists outside the game's current universe, and it appears that is what the First Ones constructed it for in the first place. It might be that "enemy of all" the Light has allied with.

[Exoticheals]

I speculate...that I finally come back to the game.

*bows* lol

But in all seriousness, I'm looking forward to it.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Do you guys think we'll see 9.2.5 hit the PTR before the 10.0 reveal?

[Tiradon]

Do you guys think we'll see 9.2.5 hit the PTR before the 10.0 reveal?

Most likely to have the pre orders via 9.2.5

[Fahrad Wagner]

Most likely to have the pre orders via 9.2.5

9.2.5 and pre-orders will very likely be linked, question is: are we getting 9.2.5 as soon as pre-orders release, or are we getting 9.2.5 PTR at that time.

[Thenatural]

I think the "what is to come" line is intentionally vague and could signal anything at any time.

I hate to say it, but I think SL is going to be a big black swan in the WoW community. After the backlash from BfA I think it was too late to steer the ship away from this version of WoW and it's game design, and that many things were cannabalized for 10.0.

From years of interviews I think it's pretty clear that the expansion cycles and direction of the game are headed in a particular direction long before most people realize, I think most expansion features are decided around the time it's predecessor launches. WoW is a big boat, and it's been hard to maneuver.

Hopefully, with the freedom we seem to observe from the M$ aquisition and the recent changes in language and feedback, we have hope that the next expansion will be a decent one.


That being said, if it's not a grounded classical fantasy experience I'm going to go full doomer, start actively posting hate threads on reddit, and I might even sub to asmongold.

[Santandame]

The force the Jailer was referring to is very clearly going to end up being what force the Devourers belong to. They are the only part of the Shadowlands story that wasn't given any explanation or motivation. They also don't use any magic that correlates to Light/Void/Fel/Life/Death/Arcane.

I imagine the Crooked Serpent mentioned in Legion is their leader or their chief entity.

I can also see a scenario in which the Devourers are the Warcraft version of Mass Effect's Reapers.

[username993720]

Nah Sylvanas is gonna atone in the maw fixing what was fucked up. Her jump animation has been datamined for a while.

I've seen that.
What's the point of giving her a new model, then? Or publishing a book about her after she's removed? Or even redeeming her? Beats me.

"Doesn't answer" not "provides evidence to the contrary".

You wanted to know how they'd get through after the rift gets closed, no?

It's probably Entropy.

Devourers would be the lowest level form of it

Entropy is already associated with Fel and Void.

[Catastrophy349]

https://twitter.com/SteveDanuser/sta...Z9hO1VOKUFmXuQ Steve Danuser's thoughts on the ending of Shadowlands and "what is to come."

[Varodoc]

Have people here already forgotten that the Ren'dorei's racial passive is "ENTROPIC Embrace" and it gives them a unique Void transformation?

Either Entropy is part of the broad domain of the Void or the Ren'dorei, on top of the Void they have mastered (which in itself is clearly the most lethal of the 6 forces), also wield the most primordial and most dangerous of the forces, the force that dooms all others unless they unite, Entropy.

I'm fine with either option honestly.

[Nyel]

Most likely to have the pre orders via 9.2.5

Only makes sense when 9.2.5 contains something that makes pre-orders worth. I doubt it at this point.

[Raetary]

It's probably Entropy.

Devourers would be the lowest level form of it

Unlikely, Blizzard baked the concept of Entropy into Fel and Void magic.

[Shinrael]

For the Pale, that was the Void.

Whoops my bad there. Minus the pale orcs part

[Catastrophy349]

https://twitter.com/SteveDanuser/sta...Z9hO1VOKUFmXuQ Steve Danuser's thoughts on the ending of Shadowlands and "what is to come."

With him saying that AFTER the Jailer's defeat, I hope we get something from either that Epilogue chapter or at-least something before the next expansion launches to connect stuff.

[username993720]

Have people here already forgotten that the Ren'dorei's racial passive is "ENTROPIC Embrace" and it gives them a unique Void transformation?

Either Entropy is part of the broad domain of the Void or the Ren'dorei, on top of the Void they have mastered (which in itself is clearly the most lethal of the 6 forces), also wield the most primordial and most dangerous of the forces, the force that dooms all others unless they unite, Entropy.

I'm fine with either option honestly.

You do realize entropy is part of Fel too, right?
It's literally chaos, or randomness, in any given system.

[Syegfryed]

https://twitter.com/SteveDanuser/sta...Z9hO1VOKUFmXuQ Steve Danuser's thoughts on the ending of Shadowlands and "what is to come."

If it seems like I say “wait and see” a lot, it’s because it’s difficult to talk in specificity about upcoming story points without spoilers.

No Steve, if you said "wait and see" a lot is because you are doing a terrible job in the story, "multi expansion narrative" isn't working and isn't satisfying to play, especially when you tease yet again another big bad evil guy when we are ending the current one.

[Catastrophy349]

No Steve, if you said "wait and see" a lot is because you are doing a terrible job in the story, "multi expansion narrative" isn't working and isn't satisfying to play, especially when you tease yet again another big bad evil guy when we are ending the current one.

Yeah, who knows anymore. Lol.

[Nyel]

https://twitter.com/SteveDanuser/sta...Z9hO1VOKUFmXuQ Steve Danuser's thoughts on the ending of Shadowlands and "what is to come."

Sick and tired of this trope. "Wait and see, everything will make sense!"

[Varodoc]

You do realize entropy is part of Fel too, right?
It's literally chaos, or randomness, in any given system.

Sure, but I don't care about Fel or any of its users, so why would I mention them? I lack an incentive.