Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Nyel]

Yeah. WoD was horrendous but atleast we got a closure/continuation of the story and we werent left hanging like morons after the last patch. We knew what was coming and all that. There were also plenty of awesome characters spread all over WoD. In the zones, dungeons, raids.

Its clear Blizzard has something planned and are probably looking at the 5 next years(as the previous 5) thinking "yeah this will be great!" but along the way the players(most important ones) are all the time left in the fucking dark.

Ask yourself - whatever comes next, was SL as an xpac ever really needed? Like, did this xpac serve any purpose whatsoever? Except for absolving Sylvanas for any guilt whatsoever, nothing was done.

We can answer this question as soon as the next expansion is released. If the next expansion basically could take place right after 8.3, Shadowlands was pointless (and I think it'll be the case).

[Makorus]

Better, not good.

I mean, you literally said

What's wrong with WoD lore besides the time-traveling stuff?

To me, that sounds like you are saying it's good.

[Nyel]

WoD introduced the new Khadgar, which people really liked. It had pretty zones, good music, decent raids. The overarching story was rushed and particularly towards the end it didn't make much sense (infinite universes, one Legion...). It also severely lacked consequences: We spent a whole expansion there only to get, what, a copy of Gul'dan to justify Legion?

But the warlords were fun, the zone-specific stories were alright, and the Primals vs Breakers were an interesting concept that, along with intelligent ogres, wasn't properly explored, because they were rushing to get the Burning Legion back into the spotlight.

It was certainly the worst expansion at the time, but as far as storytelling goes, BfA and Shadowlands were worse...

I'd say alternate Gul'dan alone was worth it to have WoD. He was a brilliant character and bringing him back served a purpose and was incredibly well done.

[Makorus]

We can answer this question as soon as the next expansion is released. If the next expansion basically could take place right after 8.3, Shadowlands was pointless (and I think it'll be the case).

I mean, the only expansion with any lasting effects was Legion and Cata.

[shoc]

We're going to get a Deathwing 2.0 character but worse. They will be female and far more generic than the Jailer. Mark my words. Also? They will cover up Alexstrasza until not a scale is showing

10.0 Wings of Xal'akrond

[Varodoc]

The redeeming quality of BfA, aside from allied races (one in particular ), is that it saved Xal'atath and Azshara for future uses. Both are fun and popular villains who can easily carry an entire expansion (that Azshara DIDN'T have her own expansion is travesty but maybe the mistake can be corrected). I'm especially interested to see what will happen with Xal'atath and if the theories about her being a former Old God are true (rumours of a "fifth" Old God that was devoured by her brothers and erased from history).

And the thing about Azshara is that now she's no longer N'Zoth's minion, so she has a greater opportunity to serve as main villain of an expansion. Because she's no longer tied to the Old Gods.

[Soulwind]

I'd say alternate Gul'dan alone was worth it to have WoD. He was a brilliant character and bringing him back served a purpose and was incredibly well done.

A random, last minute Caverns of Time mini-raid could have done that. Or a quest chain. Or a book.

I'm not against alternate timelines, but if you're going to ask players to spend years in one, there should be more and better things planned. Which I'm sure there were originally, but they very clearly did a 90+ degree turn away from it.

[crusadernero]

We can answer this question as soon as the next expansion is released. If the next expansion basically could take place right after 8.3, Shadowlands was pointless (and I think it'll be the case).

Yeah true. I mean when im thinking about it, theres no reason for SL already. The jailer just say "for what is to come" without any clues whatsoever. Whatever comes next is going to be a surprise to us one way or another.

if theres some cosmic superpower that we never(or barely) have heard about or seen at all, it could might aswell have come right after we defeated N'zoth. How would Blizzard connect it to excisting lore? No idea, but they can figure shit up on the spot for it to "fit".

[shoc]

The redeeming quality of BfA, aside from allied races (one in particular ), is that it saved Xal'atath and Azshara for future uses. Both are fun and popular villains who can easily carry an entire expansion (that Azshara DIDN'T have her own expansion is travesty but maybe the mistake can be corrected). I'm especially interested to see what will happen with Xal'atath and if the theories about her being a former Old God are true (rumours of a "fifth" Old God that was devoured by her brothers and erased from history).

And the thing about Azshara is that now she's no longer N'Zoth's minion, so she has a greater opportunity to serve as main villain of an expansion. Because she's no longer tied to the Old Gods.

She should come back with a depowered Sargeras in a gimp suit and a leash.

[Super Dickmann]

WoD was substantially better than BFA and Shadowlands as a story. Most of its worst elements are bits that have no relevance going forward. Not even WoD itself was interested in time travel which is why it killed the only time traveler in a tie-in story before the expansion even launched. The Infinite Legion thing was never relevant and was just some random dev interview. Its status as allegedly having deeply terrible lore stems almost exclusively from "Draenor is free" and from the expansion in general being shit.

[Kiivar86]

I'd say alternate Gul'dan alone was worth it to have WoD. He was a brilliant character and bringing him back served a purpose and was incredibly well done.

It is a pity they killed him off so soon in Legion though.

[Super Dickmann]

It is a pity they killed him off so soon in Legion though.

Yeah, Gul'dan got dicked. He was built up for the Tomb of Sargeras end raid boss, had one of the best tie-in stories in the pre-Legion novella and then vanished after the intro to be the ending of an unrelated raid so that the writers could go " 'member Illidan holding the Skull of Gul'dan?". The worst part of his dicking is that it meant KJ was also rushed ending up with his limp-wristed ending in the worst Legion patch to the point where he went from one of the most memorable baddies in Warcraft to someone barely anyone talks about.

[Lahis]

WoD was substantially better than BFA and Shadowlands as a story. Most of its worst elements are bits that have no relevance going forward. Not even WoD itself was interested in time travel which is why it killed the only time traveler in a tie-in story before the expansion even launched. The Infinite Legion thing was never relevant and was just some random dev interview. Its status as allegedly having deeply terrible lore stems almost exclusively from "Draenor is free" and from the expansion in general being shit.

WoD's biggest problem storywise is the cut middle patch that would have explained Grom's turn from endboss to antihero and expanded on Yrel's story on growing into a leader of her people.

[Alanar]

Haven't you notices that they are repeating expansions lately? Draenor was extremely similar to Outland. We had a Burning Legion expansion in TBC. Faction war was done in MoP. Old Gods as well. Death was dealt with in Wrath. So, the Emerald Dream is the unnecessary one? Give me a break....

I dont think you are reading my post.. who says repeating that content is what we want to see? Your death theme was on Northrend, burning legion was outland, but went on, on Argus. These stories just wernt finnished. We had a reason to look for our enemy. Nothrend isnt shadowlands... my dude.

Emerald dream as explained multiple timea now had its major threat being dealt with. Every one can make up shit why he/she wants to go there. Doesnt mean everyone else thinks the same way or want the same thing. You probably havent read it, but.. like N zoth and the black empire of nazjatar and the dream as well. Have all been speculated to death. When you visit it once its cool cus reason. The second time will obviously not have the same effect. And as it stands the ED doesnt really have much beef left.. hence I said building it up would be a start.

You provided nothing, but couple of vague reason why you want to go there. I still say ED sounds really bland and boring. I also dont like your concept, so no reason to get excited either.

This conversation doesnt lead anywhere, I also told you i am not into circle jerk conversation, which is whats happening now. You are also quick to judge for no reason. I am not onto that.

[Super Dickmann]

WoD's biggest problem storywise is the cut middle patch that would have explained Grom's turn from endboss to antihero and expanded on Yrel's story on growing into a leader of her people.

Yeah, it really showed that they had a start and an end, but little in-between, but the actual worldbuilding was among the best it'd done and it plus Chronicle Vol. 2 did a lot to retroactively improve TBC, which badly needed the help. WoD gets unfairly maligned storywise for the general failure of the expansion on other fronts. SL has the same to a similar extent, though its story is notably worse and its content in total is notably more.

[therumblings]

People calling WoD good lmao.

This thread has jumped the shark.

People have been calling WoD good since BFA, it's not unique to this forum either.

[crusadernero]

People calling WoD good lmao.

This thread has jumped the shark.

Not really. We are calling SL worse when we compare it to WoD. And you know what? they are both shit.

[SR84]

My quick idea based on the 9.2 end cinematic. Part of the next patch will be us exploring the underground of Azeroth. We could go to places like Undermine, or just explore the nerubian ruins/society. We'd travel down there to explore more of what damage the ICC machinery may have caused.

I'll throw that out there. For me it's a welcome alternative to the endless Dragon Isles ideas.

[uikolertekopoku]

What is to come
What is to come
What is to come
What is to come

Super hyped!!! A Cosmos divided cant stand against it.

Must be super powerful outside the known Forces.

[Lahis]

People calling WoD good lmao.

This thread has jumped the shark.

It is all relative.

Compared to MoP or Legion WoD is terrible, pronounced even more by being sandwitched between them. But compared to SL? It doesn't look so bad anymore.