Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Arcinatoss]

Noooooo!!! stop calling out the shit writing, the shit writers might get their feelings hurt!!

[Syegfryed]

Do you not remember a patch where the entire patch quest line was just watching Thrall get married and get his shit together? Cause he was absolutely shoved down the players throats more than Sylvanas in SL. Remember Green Jesus memes? The playerbase fucking hated, hated, hated Thrall after Cata because of how it turned into Thrall and his merry band of dragons. Then they let him cool off for a bit and now people like him again.

ONE QUESTLINE, OH, THE HORROR, i take that gladly, instead of 2 whole expansions about sylvanus

Let this sink in, Moses thrall was better than Sylvanas genocide/redemption by a huge mile. Metzen even realize he went too far and put Thrall in the icebox, Danuser don't have this self-aware and is double down on her.

Everything in cata in a lore standpoint was much better, Deathwing was a better villain than the Janitor too.

[Syegfryed]

I've been critiquing the story here, and I do often, but I often can't blame the writers for just not looking at the feedback.

I've seen the community misinterpret the most unambiguous plot points. I've seen suggestions that, at best, fix the extremely specific issue they're addressing, at the cost of wrecking the entire rest of the story in the process. Sturgeon's law is definitely in effect where most of the fans' "better ideas for the story" aren't any better, even when the story really is at a nearly unanimously agreed low point.

I would agree with you if it was not the writers themselves making plots at the cost of wrecking the entire rest of the story in the process.

BfA and shadowlands are stories archived only by fucking up a lot lore in the process

[Super Dickmann]

Everything in cata in a lore standpoint was much better, Deathwing was a better villain than the Janitor too.

Cataclysm's Horde-side world revamp and questing lore was better than anything in SL or indeed in every expansion short of Vanilla. By virtue of that the expansion in total wins against SL by default and with ease and against basically every other expansion as well. That the main Thrall story was total shit on a crusty roll is another topic entirely and basically no one talks about it these days for a reason. There's more threads on Camp Memejo alone than there is on any aspect of the Green Jesus Odyssey, and that's a good thing.

[Syegfryed]

Danuser wasn't in charge during BFA. By your own admission only one person has the final say, so it can't have been him doubling down.

He not being charge doesn't mean he doesn't have his finger on it,

Yet, trying to absolve him from BfA is pointless as he is the guy who made the shadowlands story, HE made Sylvanas story WORSE, with this redemption BS and he is the reason why the Janitor failled as villain

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Cataclysm's Horde-side world revamp and questing lore was better than anything in SL or indeed in every expansion short of Vanilla. By virtue of that the expansion in total wins against SL by default and against basically every other expansion as well. That the main Thrall story was total shit on a crusty roll is another topic entirely and basically no one talks about it these days for a reason. There's more threads on Camp Memejo alone than there is on any aspect of the Green Jesus Odyssey, and that's a good thing.

Im not saying Thrall questline is good by any means, im saying i take that shit rather than shadowlands nay day of the week

Oh, no argument there, my point isn't that it isn't bad, it's that it isn't catastrophic or something that can't be written around without too much issue. In a setting that competently dealt with the beliefs of the races this'd be relevant, but we're talking about a situation where warlocks go from hiding in basements to being endorsed by the Alliance king and no one in the Horde races of ancestor-worshipers bat an eye when Sylvanas defiles the dead by raising them as skellies. If Blizzard had any intention of exploring the effects Shadowlands had on the beliefs of the component race it'd do so in its own runtime, but that it hasn't means that it's very unlikely to do so before. What it'll be is an asterisk when .

I don't think is catastrophic but still damage the warcraft idea of afterlife and races religions, it basically proved everything is fake and doesn't matter, at all, you can't rly write around it, without realizing everything was false and will be false unless they retcon later

[Catastrophy349]

https://pastebin.com/2hqwSweJ New "leak"

Obviously FAKE, posted for fun!

[Syegfryed]

https://pastebin.com/2hqwSweJ New "leak"

No new class or race

All races can be all classes

Press X to doubt.

That isn't even the most BS one, the tidbit of the elves going to zul'aman burst my insides with laugh, what kodo shit.

[elbleuet]

+ 10 years ago, WoW end game cinematics used to look like this :




Blizzard, you disappoint so much.

[Jokubas]

Let this sink in, Moses thrall was better than Sylvanas genocide/redemption by a huge mile. Metzen even realize he went too far and put Thrall in the icebox, Danuser don't have this self-aware and is double down on her.

I was actually going to say something similar. The problem with Thrall was largely due to exposure and how sappy it could get. You can back off on that and recover. The problem with Sylvanas is that she's one of the most ruthless and successful characters in the series, and the story only briefly even treated her as a villain. The only way to really back off on that is either to let us kill her, or have her die trying to redeem herself. What she did is a permanent stain on her character, not a phase, and you can't just move on.

I would agree with you if it was not the writers themselves making plots at the cost of wrecking the entire rest of the story in the process.

Well, I definitely endorse giving feedback on it. I'm just saying that there's enough terrible feedback that even if the writers had the conviction to wade through the mean-spirited feedback, they're not going to get much use out of most of what they find.

[uzira]

+ 10 years ago, WoW end game cinematics used to look like this :




Blizzard, you disappoint so much.

This is what Blizzard has become, accept it and move on already, jezus.

[Arcinatoss]

This is what Blizzard has become, accept it and move on already, jezus.

imagine being okay with being spoonfed actual feces. cmon man, these talentless hacks need to be fired so the story can hopefully get better.

[Fahrad Wagner]

https://pastebin.com/2hqwSweJ New "leak"

Obviously FAKE, posted for fun!

Definitely fake!

[Runeitude]

This is what Blizzard has become, accept it and move on already, jezus.

People don't want to move on, they love this game and this universe and they just want it to be good.

[Padwarle]

Who needs 10.0 when you have 96.0.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Who needs 10.0 when you have 96.0.

In the year of the Lord 2347... patch 96.0.1 hits PTR and WoW players test out the new raid, the Sepulchers of Sepulchers, where it is revealed the past 300 years of Warcraft lore was all part of a bigger picture, which will be revealed soon.

[Syegfryed]

I was actually going to say something similar. The problem with Thrall was largely due to exposure and how sappy it could get. You can back off on that and recover. The problem with Sylvanas is that she's one of the most ruthless and successful characters in the series, and the story only briefly even treated her as a villain. The only way to really back off on that is either to let us kill her, or have her die trying to redeem herself. What she did is a permanent stain on her character, not a phase, and you can't just move on.

Thrall also didn't do a genocide and get a free pass either.

Thrall story was something rly minor in comparison, Metzen tried to make something different and failed because not everything was good and because the playerbase don't like that kind of stuff, yet, Thrall was just one of the aspects, we still had 4 to help, you can handwave and like i said, put him in the icebox and bring later(no genocide);

Danuser is pulling out a resident evil for sylvanas/Mila here, what he did in shadowlands after BfA, is simple awful. Maybe if BfA and Legion didn't exist, He could have pulled out, but nah.

Well, I definitely endorse giving feedback on it. I'm just saying that there's enough terrible feedback that even if the writers had the conviction to wade through the mean-spirited feedback, they're not going to get much use out of most of what they find.

I don't think any feedback is even taken, otherwise shadowlands would be different after the amount of hate BfA had, the writers are too full of themselves thinking what they doing is amazing, so any complain is saw as hate or that "we think we do but we don't" kind of thing. we just have to wait and see, maybe in 2030 it will make the big picture and we will see how good everything was i guess.

[Marlamin]

Who needs 10.0 when you have 96.0.

The actual build number not changing is incredibly triggering to me. I wouldn't be surprised if they're just messing with us at this point.

[Relapses]

The actual build number not changing is incredibly triggering to me. I wouldn't be surprised if they're just messing with us at this point.

Probably somebody typing too quickly fat fingered the 6 below the 9 on the numpad.

[Skildar]

+ 10 years ago, WoW end game cinematics used to look like this :




Blizzard, you disappoint so much.

This was a really low point on the expansion to me. There is nothing exciting in this cinematic and his father declaring "There must always be a lich king" did not resonate with me at all.

An other issue to me is that Horde players did not know Bolvar and I always thought this was a messed up decision to use him in order to replace Arthas as Lich king

[Zulggun]

They literally destroyed Arthas character with that ICC cinamatic.