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    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrad Wagner View Post
    Still, most of the fluff around monks was added in MoP and not teased before that. So bards are still quite possible. Do I want them to be added into the game? Yes. Do I think they will? No, at least not until a very long time in the future, Tinker being the strongest contender (amongst others) as the next playable class. But eh, I didn't see monks coming, so I'd be happy to be wrong.
    Exactly. I'm not saying it will definitely be bard. I'm saying Bard is as valid a potential class as Tinkers or Dragons. It's impossible to actually predict what they're going to add.

  2. #28762
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Exactly. I'm not saying it will definitely be bard. I'm saying Bard is as valid a potential class as Tinkers or Dragons. It's impossible to actually predict what they're going to add.
    I completely agree, and that also goes for entirely new concepts such as dragonsworns or anything void related.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Exactly. I'm not saying it will definitely be bard. I'm saying Bard is as valid a potential class as Tinkers or Dragons. It's impossible to actually predict what they're going to add.
    I’m sorry but they simply aren’t. The concepts you mentioned have major lore figures attached to them. Bards simply do not. You can put Gazlowe or Wrathion on the cover of an expansion. There’s no Bard character of that stature, and that’s by design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    I’m sorry but they simply aren’t. The concepts you mentioned have major lore figures attached to them. Bards simply do not. You can put Gazlowe or Wrathion on the cover of an expansion. There’s no Bard character of that stature, and that’s by design.
    Monks as they exist had no major lore figure attached to them apart from Chen, which was considered more of an Easter Egg than anything. If they want to whip a class out of thin air, they can, and they will. That being said... Tinker is still the likeliest, imo.

  5. #28765
    Quote Originally Posted by Viking91 View Post
    If Bard gets added to WoW, it will be as a profession, not a class.
    I would say busking in wow would be nice: In fact that's one of the reasons people keep listing FFXIV is a better game to simply hang out in than WoW. But if you look at their 4 secondary professions: they're so not-a-priority they've basically killed half of them. Bards are present in the game as a combat vocation. Swan might be a nice guy who plays songs in the seat of the primus, but he also has good AOE & Stun abilities when you use him in the Necrolord Maw Assault. Same goes for Russel during the Invasion of Boralus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrad Wagner View Post
    Monks as they exist had no major lore figure attached to them apart from Chen, which was considered more of an Easter Egg than anything. If they want to whip a class out of thin air, they can, and they will. That being said... Tinker is still the likeliest, imo.
    That simply isn’t true. Consider that Chen Stormstout not only brought the Brewmaster concept (and it’s unique abilities), but also the Pandaren race, and Pandaria the continent where an expansion based on his class and people could take place. Pandaren were one of the most demanded for races, and Pandaria was one of the most requested locations. You can’t just whip that out of thin air. That’s legacy and a built-in fanbase.

  7. #28767
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    I’m sorry but they simply aren’t. The concepts you mentioned have major lore figures attached to them. Bards simply do not. You can put Gazlowe or Wrathion on the cover of an expansion. There’s no Bard character of that stature, and that’s by design.
    My problem is you keep listing things that don't matter when adding a playable class. They don't need to put an example of a class on the cover of an expansion (do physical boxes of expansions even exist anymore?). They don't need to be a Warcraft 3 hero. They don't need to be recognizable in WoW lore because all WoW lore is already a ripoff of Forgotten Realms, in which Bard is an iconic class in all of Tolkienesque fantasy.

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    Looks like next 5 weeks will be full of tinkers, void, dragons and isles.




    Let's hope 9.2.5 is something more than cross faction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrad Wagner View Post
    Monks as they exist had no major lore figure attached to them apart from Chen, which was considered more of an Easter Egg than anything. If they want to whip a class out of thin air, they can, and they will. That being said... Tinker is still the likeliest, imo.
    Frankly, I'm thinking Dragons would be best simply because they're more "epic" than the alternatives. I like the idea of a Tinker or Artificer, but they simply don't feel epic enough. I figure a Dragon is something over-the-top, interesting, and which can stand up to snuff with all the iconic classes like Demon Hunters and Paladins. Although Tinkers are iconic, they simply feel a little undercooked for something so over-the-top as WoW.

  10. #28770
    Quote Originally Posted by bagina View Post
    I'm just gonna come out and say it: I made the EoD logo. It's fake. I'm sorry. Didn't expect it to blow up this much. To anyone who thought it was real, I'm flattered, thanks!
    I don't believe yoooou!

    Show me the process, or at least the starting steps, that was way too good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    My problem is you keep listing things that don't matter when adding a playable class. They don't need to put an example of a class on the cover of an expansion (do physical boxes of expansions even exist anymore?). They don't need to be a Warcraft 3 hero. They don't need to be recognizable in WoW lore because all WoW lore is already a ripoff of Forgotten Realms, in which Bard is an iconic class in all of Tolkienesque fantasy.
    But they’re not an iconic class in Warcraft and they never have been. There wasn’t even a Bard class in the TTRPG or the CCG, and those games had weird stuff like Steam Knights and Scouts.

    And those things don’t matter to you, but they clearly matter to the design team because they want the new class to make sense in the expansion they appear in. That’s easier to accomplish when you have a class based on a major lore figure, because typically that major lore figure has a location attached to them that you can base the lore on.

    For example;
    The Lich King/Death Knights/Northrend
    Chen Stormstout/Monks/Pandaria
    Illidan Stormrage/Demon Hunters/Broken Isles

    We don’t have that with Bards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    Frankly, I'm thinking Dragons would be best simply because they're more "epic" than the alternatives. I like the idea of a Tinker or Artificer, but they simply don't feel epic enough. I figure a Dragon is something over-the-top, interesting, and which can stand up to snuff with all the iconic classes like Demon Hunters and Paladins. Although Tinkers are iconic, they simply feel a little undercooked for something so over-the-top as WoW.
    Someone mentioned a potential scenario where Gallywix attacks Stormwind inside a giant robot, Godzilla-style.

    That would be pretty over the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeraldofSargeras View Post
    Galzilla
    Seriously, who wouldn’t love some crazy shit like that? That would be awesome, hilarious, and legendary at the same time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrad Wagner View Post
    Can we know what's the BS part?
    Guessing the Class part is fake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    The Lich King/Death Knights/Northrend
    Chen Stormstout/Monks/Pandaria
    Illidan Stormrage/Demon Hunters/Broken Isles

    We don’t have that with Bards.
    Unless the theme is "Classic RPG" which is a theme they've expressed a desire to return to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bagina View Post
    It was made in Photoshop. Ok, so I used the classic vanilla logo as the reference point for the border and Shadowlands' logo for the "WoW" text (tweaked the colors etc). I handpainted the border, some parts are inspired by a Naaru but the rest I just winged. The starry background is just a photo of the sky.
    Despite finding that hilarious and feeling vindicated, I'm gonna be the one to ask for actual hard evidence, since anyone could claim to have been the one behind a leak and that it's fake.

    Do you have the higher res version? or the PSD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Unless the theme is "Classic RPG" which is a theme they've expressed a desire to return to.
    Bards in classic RPGs are buff bots whose sole purpose is to support and buff groups. That’s a play style Blizzard incorporated into the Shaman and Paladin classes in early WoW and largely abandoned by WotLK, instead pushing the Trinity, and “bring the player and not the class”. So, we can add an incompatible playstyle to the list of why Bards are an unlikely WoW class.

    +Lack of a hero character
    +Lack of a location
    +Lack of unique abilities
    +Lack of a relevant play style

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Bards in classic RPGs are buff bots whose sole purpose is to support and buff groups. That’s a play style Blizzard incorporated into the Shaman and Paladin classes in early WoW and largely abandoned by WotLK, instead pushing the Trinity, and “bring the player and not the class”. So, we can add an incompatible playstyle to the list of why Bards are an unlikely WoW class.
    If Bard & Dancer can work in FFXIV it can work in WoW

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    Those who don't think you can fight with music have clearly never heard of the famous bard duo, Tenacious D.

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