Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

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sylverian dreamer
No way that tied to shadowlands and it’s flavor mentions the dream

When we got the zones it did make sense but we also have to keep in mind devs are more often trying to make cheeky references nowadays. The main thing that made me see wonderland was the red queen and white queen

Ardenweald being a zone in the expansion that only makes the mount make sense retroactively =/= subtle symbolism or references like a "red queen/white queen" thing. I highly doubt they're going to be that subtle in hinting at that theme. Most likely, it will be related to the theme of zone or a new animal that will either be new or only make sense in connection to any other idea in retrospect.

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It's always going to be very difficult to gauged an expansion as a whole on a mount. That said, you can successfully guess bits. Sylverian dreamer is tied into the druidic/night aesthetic, and sylverian reinforces that with the wood/forest aspect--and we got a zone that was heavily tied into those things. You might not get Broken Isles and Legion from the runesaber, but saber + arcane did evoke highborne (Arcane using Night Elves), and we got 1-1.5 zones of that.

Based on the fox-cat, I feel really confident in guessing that one of the new zones in the next expansion will be a Vermillion Redoubt/Eversong Woods style, autumnal forest. It will be very magical, like the summer/fall palette version of Ashenvale or Moonglade. Lots of little sprites and weird magical creatures like the foxcat, the phoenix birds used for the skyblazer, etc.

Could even be Quel'Thalas, but I figure that a new Dragon zone based around Vermillion Redoubt is possible, too. Both sound pretty.

[FossilFree]

I think 9.2 has a lot of foreshadowing of a bard class. Everything is about sound, music, and speech (lyrics, singing).

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I don't know why an expansion with Undermine would be shocking. The world soul is underground, and it was attacked at the end of the current expansion. There's also links between Goblins and Black Dragons, so even a dragon-based expansion could pull in Undermine.

Simply because it doesn't feel like it's going that way, and this doesn't seem to fit with anything that's been foreshadowed up to this point. It could happen, and I'll sure be willing to eat crow if it does, but for now it seems pretty implausible.

[Revamp Man]

What was the last release? Also the Sylverian Dreamer was added long before Shadowands was announced, the Steamscale Incinerator was added long AFTER Shadowlands was announced.

Also what does it being the last release have anything to do with anything?

The final mount released before an expansion announcement contains hints about the next expansion

You know this

Also steamscale has no dragon lore just “crazy gnome added a demon soul to try and make a realistic dragon and it ate him”

I understand the reach but it would make more sense to go for the bundle over the mount

You could try to argue that the first mount after the announcement hints at the expansion after the next but that requires more work because it’s not as widely talked about like the “mount hints at next expansion”

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I think 9.2 has a lot of foreshadowing of a bard class. Everything is about sound, music, and speech (lyrics, singing).

I don't see it. That's an introduction of a motif, not strictly the establishment of a new class. For one, we don't really have anyone who's actually using that in a Bardlike context aside from sort of one boss.

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You could try to argue that the first mount after the announcement hints at the expansion after the next but that requires more work because it’s not as widely talked about like the “mount hints at next expansion”

That also just seems a nonsensical way of foreshadowing, and likely way too prone to change for it to make sense. I think that people are looking for clues where there aren't any. We're deluding ourselves and reading into things that aren't there—we don't even have the benefit of a Barnum Statement. We're doing this all on Hopium alone.

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I don't know whether to appreciate the artistry or curse you for giving hope to the dragonposters. Both is doable.

If he can do it, you can do it. Make a fake logo, Super Dickmann, and bring us hopium.

[Revamp Man]

I think 9.2 has a lot of foreshadowing of a bard class. Everything is about sound, music, and speech (lyrics, singing).

Could be interesting
It would probably have something like legion pally blessings and more support

[Dracullus]

I think 9.2 has a lot of foreshadowing of a bard class. Everything is about sound, music, and speech (lyrics, singing).

Whole Shadowlands has a LOT of music/bard references. I think we talked about it few times here.

[Three Faced Goddess]

There are true points in the post, but some bullshit in the post as well.

Anything relating to Lordaeron, the Scarlet Crusade and Forsaken? Do you know anything about this quest?

https://ptr.wowhead.com/quest=54943/...-rangers-pupil

Not just because of the Dark Ranger element, though I am curious about that. I am wondering if it acts as a prelude to a Scarlet Crusade resurgence and has any relation to the datamined fliers. Also curious if the claims of someone on twitter about Prelus being human and having human textures is true.

[Revamp Man]

I don't see it. That's an introduction of a motif, not strictly the establishment of a new class. For one, we don't really have anyone who's actually using that in a Bardlike context aside from sort of one boss.

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That also just seems a nonsensical way of foreshadowing, and likely way too prone to change for it to make sense. I think that people are looking for clues where there aren't any. We're deluding ourselves and reading into things that aren't there—we don't even have the benefit of a Barnum Statement. We're doing this all on Hopium alone.

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If he can do it, you can do it. Make a fake logo, Super Dickmann, and bring us hopium.

I’m reaching with the wonderland stuff admittedly but there does have to be a limit I agree

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Could be interesting
It would probably have something like legion pally blessings and more support

This has been said ad nauseum, but I think that a pure support class can't work. The closest we get to that are Paladins, which still have a huge amount of direct spells and a role aside from buffing. Buffing is always a sideshow and not engaging enough, I think, for a whole class to be built only around it. Paladin buffing works because you feel like you're the agent of a divine being. I don't see the same in Bards unless it's secondary to the other skills of the class—plus, CC could at least be part of it, too.

[Skildar]

The Endless Dream
- Level 70
- Cross-facton grouping for all new content but not older stuff
- Two new races - Elarian and the Solline - they are very pale alien looking people and cat people who worship the sun
- 6 zones revamped - Hyjal (Alliance only), Lordaeron (Horde only), Silithus, Duskwood, Barrens, Hinterlands - although many other zones aren't updated but used as part of the story
- New dungeons will be very nostaglic - Wailing chasm, Tyr's Fall, Timbermaw depths, Moonbrook cellars, AQ dungeon, Maraudon and some others
- There's a dream world / living world type of element to all the zones which has to do with the Emerald Dream fading away after the events of the Shadowlands. The dream world is easily twisted by outside forces is seeping into the living world allowing them to create a new reality. The pantheon of the living are revealed to all be the myths and legends from the various races of Azeroth. They help you restore the dream piece by piece
- Alliance and Horde races reconnect with eachother - Dwarves help Tauren find their titan origin, humans and undead discover their ancestory and the sacred line of kings, trolls and night elves uncover the schism that Elune created and why some rejected her
- The end of Battle for Azeroth will be very important
- Raid is Elunaria but starts out on Azeroth's white moon in a titan facility, have to save Elune from forces of oblivion - Tyrande will die but is reborn as Elune's daughter and watch over Azeroth on the Blue Child

this still feels to me like the most possible expansion leak

Even if Im very skeptical about Blizzard pushing a story back on known zones of Azeroth

[Revamp Man]

It's interesting that I haven't seen more buzz about this comment from Jericho last night on the Ashes of Galakaros leak:


after about a month or so of silence, their last post being:


Now you'd think that after having said they're not sharing, that commenting on AoG's legitimacy would contradict that.

Which I think tells us either;
A: Galakaros is fake, and Jericho is throwing us off because they know what 10.0 is. (They've been known to throw red herrings since Legion leak.)
B: Galakaros is real, Jericho knows something this time again and is willing to legitimize the leak without fear of consequence.
C: Galakaros is fake/real who knows, and Jericho doesn't know either. Playing w/ us.
D: They were referring to Teriz' Dragontinker proc

Leaning towards A or C or D myself.

C because of last leak season

[Triceron]

What was the last release? Also the Sylverian Dreamer was added long before Shadowands was announced, the Steamscale Incinerator was added long AFTER Shadowlands was announced.

Also what does it being the last release have anything to do with anything?

Why do you keep bringing up the Steamscale Incinerator, lol

It's not one of the mounts that was tied to the release of any expansion. We have a history of that with other mounts, and the next mount that is tied to the future expansion has already been datamined as the one with 9fx_drakemountemerald_buff

[Skildar]

ok before going to sleep I wanted to take a look at the ashes of galakaros leak and ok... it's very convincing. The fact that the guy talks about overwatch 2 prepatxh, new warcraft app, etc. It sells the whole thing.

I'm would be a bit disappointed if it ends up being the true expac just because I would have liked to still be surprised ^^ It says a lot on how real it felt

[ro9ue]

It's interesting that I haven't seen more buzz about this comment from Jericho last night on the Ashes of Galakaros leak:


after about a month or so of silence, their last post being:


Now you'd think that after having said they're not sharing, that commenting on AoG's legitimacy would contradict that.

Which I think tells us either;
A: Galakaros is fake, and Jericho is throwing us off because they know what 10.0 is. (They've been known to throw red herrings since Legion leak.)
B: Galakaros is real, Jericho knows something this time again and is willing to legitimize the leak without fear of consequence.
C: Galakaros is fake/real who knows, and Jericho doesn't know either. Playing w/ us.
D: They were referring to Teriz' Dragontinker proc

Leaning towards A or C or D myself.

If the person just posted the info about Ashes of Galakaros, it would've seemed more legitimate to me. It was posted with a bunch of other stuff that ended up proving false (Overwatch beta timing, PVP only) and the Warcraft mobile thing confirmed to be a game and not a Grimoire book thing.

They got too ambitious lol.

[Revamp Man]

This has been said ad nauseum, but I think that a pure support class can't work. The closest we get to that are Paladins, which still have a huge amount of direct spells and a role aside from buffing. Buffing is always a sideshow and not engaging enough, I think, for a whole class to be built only around it. Paladin buffing works because you feel like you're the agent of a divine being. I don't see the same in Bards unless it's secondary to the other skills of the class—plus, CC could at least be part of it, too.

What I meant was how the buff added to their dps

I don’t think that would be it

[Luck4]

this still feels to me like the most possible expansion leak

Even if Im very skeptical about Blizzard pushing a story back on known zones of Azeroth

I also still think this is what we're getting. I made a long post explaining why, it's here if you are interested to see it:

Ok, guys, this leak doesn't leave my mind regardless of what I do, so I'm going to show you guys some "connections"...

[Teriz]

The final mount released before an expansion announcement contains hints about the next expansion

You know this

Again, the difference being that the Steamscale was announced and released after the announcement of Shadowlands.

Also steamscale has no dragon lore just “crazy gnome added a demon soul to try and make a realistic dragon and it ate him”

The Demon Soul/Dragon Soul is dragon lore.

I understand the reach but it would make more sense to go for the bundle over the mount.

I'm pinpointing the mount because it also had a companion pet that came out during Shadowlands, indicating that both items are meant for the expansion after Shadowlands, just like the Dragon Isles hint in BFA.

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Why do you keep bringing up the Steamscale Incinerator, lol

It's not one of the mounts that was tied to the release of any expansion. We have a history of that with other mounts, and the next mount that is tied to the future expansion has already been datamined as the one with 9fx_drakemountemerald_buff

They're mechanical dragons, thus they would be tied to a dragon expansion.

[Nightshade711]

The Demon Soul/Dragon Soul is dragon lore.

The mount mentions nothing about a/the dragon soul.
The demon soul it’s referring to is an actual trapped demonic soul powering the dragon, not THE Demon Soul.

Still has no dragon lore attached to it.

[Teriz]

The mount mentions nothing about a/the dragon soul.
The demon soul it’s referring to is an actual demon soul, not THE Demon Soul.

Legends say a mad gnomish inventor had a deranged dream to ride a dragon, so he built this metal monstrosity powered with a trapped demon in order to create "an authentic dragon soul."

https://us.shop.battle.net/en-us/pro...le-incinerator