Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Nightshade711]

Uh what? Pandaren got quite a bit of lore from WC3;



That's just from the Brewmaster hero.

Then there was this;

http://classic.battle.net/war3/pandaren/

Some of those items should look familiar.

This was literally an actual April fools joke btw.

[Teriz]

This was literally an actual April fools joke btw.

An April Fool's joke that eventually turned into this;

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

love the bad timing XD

That timing made me laugh hardest of anything in this thread.

[Nightshade711]

An April Fool's joke that eventually turned into this;

Concepts were adapted over from the joke for sure.
Doesn’t mean the April Fools joke for WC3 has actual Pandaren lore.

By that logic this also is lore.
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Bard_(April_Fools)

And by that logic this is going to be a thing as well
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Ogre_(April_Fools)

Oh look, it even has backing in HotS with Cho’Gal, clearly they’re wanting two headed ogres to be playable.

[Teriz]

Concepts were adapted over from the joke for sure.
Doesn’t mean the April Fools joke for WC3 has actual Pandaren lore.

By that logic this also is lore.
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Bard_(April_Fools)

And by that logic this is going to be a thing as well
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Ogre_(April_Fools)

Oh look, it even has backing in HotS with Cho’Gal, clearly they’re wanting two headed ogres to be playable.

Actually, if you read the April Fool's lore behind Pandaria and the actual history Blizzard used, they're extremely close. So yeah, Blizzard used quite a bit from the original April Fool's for WoW's Pandaren lore.

In comparison, I have yet to see a Blood Elf playing a guitar Guitar-hero style in WoW.

[therumblings]

Well as I thought when first posted, EoD was faked. Pretty sad to be honest, Empire of Dragons and Ashes of Galakaros both sounded pretty good, even if the first one was just a name. I'm hoping the real 10.0 is still something along those lines.

[Three Faced Goddess]

Let's not derail this thread about what can/will and can't/won't happen. Never is a long time.

[Zankai27]

An April Fool's joke that eventually turned into this;

Do you...not understand that this is the entire point of what I'm saying? It's literally the point.

Besides that, Warcraft 3 is over now. Everything it was is done. They can take inspiration from whatever part of the game they want.

Dragons also weren't a class or major element of Warcraft 3. They featured less than Pandaren. So by that logic we can't have a dragon class based on WoW's main dragons.

[Ersula]

Again, the difference being that the Steamscale was announced and released after the announcement of Shadowlands.

What does this foreshadow besides you ignoring the other shadowlands shop mounts?

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Do you...not understand that this is the entire point of what I'm saying? It's literally the point.

His april fools joke matters & your april fools joke doesn't apparently. That's what he's been spending pages saying.

[Teriz]

Do you...not understand that this is the entire point of what I'm saying? It's literally the point.

Besides that, Warcraft 3 is over now. Everything it was is done. They can take inspiration from whatever part of the game they want.

Except you're not seeming to get it; The Brewmaster, Chen Stormstout , the Pandaren, and Pandaria in WC3 set up a lore basis for the eventual Monk class in WoW.

We DON'T have that for Bards in ANY sense. We never have. Further, unlike Wrathion, Mekkatorque, Anduin, or Velen, Blizzard has never built up a Bard lore hero in WoW. They have had decades to do so.

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What does this foreshadow besides you ignoring the other shadowlands shop mounts?

The Steamscale was a BFA shop mount, coming at the tail end of the expansion. Again, it appeared to merge the two major themes that were hinted at throughout BFA; Gnome/Goblin Technology and Dragons. I have no idea what it foreshadows, but it along with the Timeless Mechanical Dragonling are foreshadowing something.

[Zankai27]

Except you're not seeming to get it; The Brewmaster and its abilities and Chen Stormstout along with the Pandaren and Pandaria set up a lore basis for the eventual Monk class in WoW.

We DON'T have that for Bards in ANY sense. We never have. Further, unlike Wrathion, Mekkatorque, Anduin, or Velen, Blizzard has never built up a Bard lore hero in WoW. They have had decades to do so.

My dude, they have bits and pieces to pull from wherever they want. Russel the Bard, the Bard April Fools joke, random Bards. You're dramatically overselling the forethought put into Pandaren lore in Warcraft 3.

You really shouldn't argue so hard with *me*, considering my initial post was in *defense* of new class ideas. It wasn't directed at you, just because you want a specific two class(es) and don't like when other people have other ideas. I'm one of the people who is completely for new class ideas. In all senses.

Lore explanations are easy. All of these points aside, give it up. You have to stop taking the lore and "things being set up" so seriously, anyway, because obviously the writers don't.

[Teriz]

My dude, they have bits and pieces to pull from wherever they want. Russel the Bard, the Bard April Fools joke, random Bards. You're dramatically overselling the forethought put into Pandaren lore in Warcraft 3.

And let's compare your items here;

Russell the Bard has done what exactly? Has he gone on any missions? Has he participated in any major events? Has he traveled anywhere beyond his tavern?

Compare that to Chen Stormstout; Savior of Ogrimmar, champion of the Horde for helping Thrall defeat Admiral Proudmoore.

There's really no comparison.

You really shouldn't argue so hard with *me*, considering my initial post was in *defense* of new class ideas. It wasn't directed at you, just because you want a specific two class(es) and don't like when other people have other ideas. I'm one of the people who is completely for new class ideas. In all senses.

Who's arguing hard? I'm merely pointing out that you're comparing a highly established class concept with a non-existent one.

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Bards are a standard fantasy/rpg/DnD class, so I don't understand how anyone can adamantly claim they will never be in WoW.

Because in order to be an expansion class in WoW you have to be linked to a lore hero, of which Bards have none.

[Ersula]

The Steamscale was a BFA shop mount, coming at the tail end of the expansion. Again, it appeared to merge the two major themes that were hinted at throughout BFA; Gnome/Goblin Technology and Dragons. I have no idea what it foreshadows, but it along with the Timeless Mechanical Dragonling are foreshadowing something.

BFA and Shadowlands both had exactly two dragons. Or are you saying the appearance of a dragon is supposed to foreshadow future dragon appearences? Because every Expansion has had a dragon at some point.

And bonus, the last two expansions had more bards than dragons. My divining rod is pointing towards my own butthole.

[Nightshade711]

Except you're not seeming to get it; The Brewmaster, Chen Stormstout , the Pandaren, and Pandaria in WC3 set up a lore basis for the eventual Monk class in WoW.

We DON'T have that for Bards in ANY sense. We never have. Further, unlike Wrathion, Mekkatorque, Anduin, or Velen, Blizzard has never built up a Bard lore hero in WoW. They have had decades to do so.

Wow has plenty of bards.
Including ETC and Blight Boar, etc.
Also they have ETC in HotS that they can pull from in terms of a class, because didn’t you say HotS could be used for the basis of a class?

[Trumpwonumad]

Because in order to be an expansion class in WoW you have to be linked to a lore hero, of which Bards have none.

In your opinion. Sorry your not a dev

[Hitei]

ok before going to sleep I wanted to take a look at the ashes of galakaros leak and ok... it's very convincing. The fact that the guy talks about overwatch 2 prepatxh, new warcraft app, etc. It sells the whole thing.

I'm would be a bit disappointed if it ends up being the true expac just because I would have liked to still be surprised ^^ It says a lot on how real it felt

He was literally wrong about every date, and we have known for YEARS about a mobile warcraft in the works.

[Trazzle]

I wonder, could the steamscale be indicating/suggesting that tinkers/engineers/artificers are advancing in what their tech/science is capable of?

Maybe experimenting with high power/volatile sources, like a demon soul, could lead them to a breakthrough with X power source introduced in 10.0 narrative. Heck could simply be a refined/manipulated azerite crystal.

Either way, super excited to have a date and know that the horizon of what’s next is near. Hype!

[Kiria]

Uh, there’s leaks and threads containing the concept coming out of 4chan, Reddit, Wowhead, the official forums, etc. You think MMOC is pushing all of that?

I mean we have people doing stuff like this;

https://mobile.twitter.com/handclaw/...86048649453578

That has way more influence than some posts on a forum.

I see you are still pushing the narrative EVERYONE wants Tinker, hate to tell you bud but that "art" in your own link is over a year old with a total of 85 likes... that does not scream majority to me.

[Teriz]

BFA and Shadowlands both had exactly two dragons. Or are you saying the appearance of a dragon is supposed to foreshadow future dragon appearences? Because every Expansion has had a dragon at some point.

I'm saying that alongside Wrathion, Wrathion searching for the dragon isles, a new dragon flight having evolved from N'zoth, a new chromatic dragon being discovered during Island Expeditions, Vexonia, the uncorrupted Voidwing, the Steamscale Incinerator, the Timeless Mechanical Dragonling, Time Cap'n Hooktail, the dragon pack, and the encrypted mount certainly seem to indicate dragons.....

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Wow has plenty of bards.
Including ETC and Blight Boar, etc.
Also they have ETC in HotS that they can pull from in terms of a class, because didn’t you say HotS could be used for the basis of a class?

Yeah, let's show the lore of ETC;

Elite Tauren Chieftain (abbreviated for simplicity as ETC; for other and previous names see below) is an American band comprised of employees of Blizzard Entertainment. The band's virtual alter ego, The Tauren Chieftains and the Elite Tauren Chieftain,[1] appear in World of Warcraft as a band comprised of members of the Horde, and retain the logo used by the Level 70 Elite incarnation of the real-life band. Their gimmick revolves around writing content that is based on mainly subjects related to the Warcraft universe, though they have more recently extended into StarCraft and Diablo lore as well. The band debuted in 2003 with their first song, "Power of the Horde", which was featured in the credits of Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne and Warcraft III: Reforged.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Eli...ain%20(L70ETC)

You want to build a class and expansion lore around that?

[Trazzle]

I’d consider an expansion that’d lead us/allow Tinkers would be as polarizing as MoP. Great expansion in ways, but thematically distinct.