Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Triceron]

Yeah, because Blizzard tends to not release a ton of hints to their future content. That said, the Pandaren Monk pet was the first time the term monk was used in reference to Pandaren martial arts. In addition, the pet came with a letter from Chen Stormstout, and this was in WotLK, after Cataclysm had been announced.

The Steamscale is also a store-based item released after the announcement of the next expansion. If it's following the same trajectory as the Pandaren Monk pet, then it is hinting at the expansion following Shadowlands. Given that we've gotten so many dragon and goblin/gnome hints since BFA, it makes sense.

Which means you are correlating whatever you see fits what you want as the next expansion.

Has anything I said here gone misunderstood? Or do you not want a Dragon/Goblin expansion?

The steamscale seems to fit both criteria you want. Is that mere coincidence? No one seems convinced that it is, lol. You push for it so much that it's pretty obvious you want it to happen more than anything.

As I said, the mount that ties to the next expo has already been datamined, and it is not the Steamscale. If it has anything to do with Dragons, it will be because of the connection to the datamined mount. Anything else here is literally gonna be correlation. Like I said, may as well say Dreadwing mount hinted at Zandalar at this point lol

Incorrect. The Heart of the Aspects was announced in November of 2011, and released in February of 2012. Mists of Pandaria was announced at the 2011 BlizzCon that took place in October of that year.

Lol, the Heart of the Aspects was datamined before the MoP announcement, which is why everyone happens to look at the mounts as indicators. We just never knew there was a connection at the time. It was just seen as a curious looking store mount being datamined, no one really expected a relation to the next expansion until it kept happening again and again with each datamine.

Don't expect this drakemountemerald to be out any time soon either, we will get the next expo announcement before they even fully reveal this mount. Par on course.

[Varodoc]

This is the best pro-tinker argument. Other arguments need not apply. Half-measures got us void elves instead of high elves, only to basically turn them into high elves anyway. Don't make the same mistake.

Alleria Windrunner (first and leader of the Ren'dorei) could already retain her fair form as far back as 2017 btw.

Fair skin options are part of the core Ren'dorei identity and should have been in the game when they were released, in Legion patch 7.3.5.

[Revamp Man]

Why is Ashes debunked?

About the store mount thing:

People latch on to the store mounts that have a connection to future expansions without considering that the vast majority of storemounts DO NOT have connections to future expansions

The final mount before the announcement hints at the next expansion

If it were just a single mount from two expansions or if we were claiming a pet from BfA predicted 10.0 then you would have a point

[Makorus]

Let's be honest, the reason why they made the Steamscale Incinerator is 1.) because the dragon skeleton seems to be really easy to work with, and it's easy to make it fly and 2.) people really liked Mechagon.

That's it. There's nothing more to it. It's a store mount, they wanna make money with as little effort as they can. They are not trying to play 5D chess with something they are selling.

Because of this, I also think that the Sylverian Dreamer mount came first, and then they just plopped it down somewhere to reuse the model, instead of it being a mob in Ardenweald first.

Same with the Raptora mount. 100% sure that was never meant to be a thing in Zereth Mortis until people complained.

[Teriz]

Why is Ashes debunked?

About the store mount thing:

People latch on to the store mounts that have a connection to future expansions without considering that the vast majority of storemounts DO NOT have connections to future expansions

The store mount in question is a mechanical dragon, and also has a pet companion that was released during Shadowlands and is also a mechanical dragon.

Looking at what was hinted at in BFA, it the Steamscale Incinerator and the Timeless Mechanical Dragonling are a combination of both themes;

Mechanical

Mechagon
Mekkatorque getting the Spark Reactor
Gazlowe becoming leader of the Goblins
Mekkatorque becoming King of the Gnomes
Tinker teams in Island Expeditions
Return to Kezan (2010 Developer mention)
Gallywix deposed
Tinker NPCs on Exiles Reach starter zone (shadowlands)

Dragons
Wrathion returns and is searching for the Dragon Isles
Vexonia brings in a new dragonflight (Voidwing)
Clutches of dragon eggs found with Alexstraza and within N'zoth
New Chromatic dragon seen in Island Expeditions alongside Black Dragons
Dragon boss at the end of Exiles' Reach (shadowlands)

And then you get the Steamscale Incinerator as part of a six month subscription three months before the release of 9.0. A year later, Blizzard releases the Timeless Mechanical Dragonling.

Again, this is all speculation, but I do believe it's worth discussing.

[Revamp Man]

Scales of Time leak was the most genuine looking leak so far. And the name is great

I’m sticking with the leak from Talonguard
Something of aspects
And not just because the guy shoveled my driveway last week

[Teriz]

I read through that and I don't see how that is relevant at all? Nothing from the RPG really seemed to have carried over, other than obvious tropes like "Brewmasters use brews to fight" or "they are peaceful monks because they are inspired by Asian culture".

The pandaren are originally from central Kalimdor where they established the Pandaren Empire. They were allies of the night elves until they saw their obsession with magic getting out of control. The clans severed ties and left Kalimdor behind eventually establishing a new home on an island they named Pandaria. After the Sundering, some pandaren returned to the "new" Kalimdor to explore it. "Where once the pandaren were a mighty empire, standing proud beside their night elf allies, now they are a simple people who want only peace and a safe home."[116] Since the Third War, more pandaren have come to visit Kalimdor.[117]

Hailing from their own secret empire, the pandaren are a race of humanoids resembling panda bears. This appearance leads some to underestimate these noble creatures, thinking them harmless and "cute". They may be cute, but they are not harmless. Pandaren have a long tradition of mystic warfare and are exceedingly strong and agile. The traditional pandaren fighting style focuses upon mobility, speed and precision, as well as stunning acrobatic tricks. Many pandaren are skilled at fighting bare-handed.

That was carried over from the RPG into WoW. There's more, but yeah the point is that Blizzard used quite a bit of lore from the RPG.

Let's be honest, the reason why they made the Steamscale Incinerator is 1.) because the dragon skeleton seems to be really easy to work with, and it's easy to make it fly and 2.) people really liked Mechagon.

That's it. There's nothing more to it. It's a store mount, they wanna make money with as little effort as they can. They are not trying to play 5D chess with something they are selling.

Because of this, I also think that the Sylverian Dreamer mount came first, and then they just plopped it down somewhere to reuse the model, instead of it being a mob in Ardenweald first.

Same with the Raptora mount. 100% sure that was never meant to be a thing in Zereth Mortis until people complained.

And the Timeless Mechanical Dragonling that uses the same skin as the Steamscale?

[Makorus]

The final mount before the announcement hints at the next expansion

If it were just a single mount from two expansions or if we were claiming a pet from BfA predicted 10.0 then you would have a point

Luminous Starseeker hinted at BFA?

Enchanted Fey Dragon hinted at WoD? (Don't even mention "Oh, but they were in Talador" as if they weren't just reusing that model)

Steamscale Incinerator hinted at Shadowlands?

Winged Guardian hinted at MoP?

[Teriz]

If it were just a single mount from two expansions or if we were claiming a pet from BfA predicted 10.0 then you would have a point

Luminous Starseeker hinted at BFA?

Enchanted Fey Dragon hinted at WoD?

Steamscale Incinerator hinted at Shadowlands?

Winged Guardian hinted at MoP?

A store pet from WotLK predicted MoP.

[Makorus]

A store pet from WotLK predicted MoP.

You don't know what "predicted" means.

If Blizzard releases a Tinker-themed expansion in 20 years, are you gonna say that BfA predicted a tinker expansion?

The TCG had a ghost horse. Did they predict a Shadowlands expansion in TBC?

[Super Dickmann]

Alleria Windrunner (first and leader of the Ren'dorei) could already retain her fair form as far back as 2017 btw.

Fair skin options are part of the core Ren'dorei identity and should have been in the game when they were released, in Legion patch 7.3.5.

Among the many benefits of just doing high elves in the first place would be that you would have lived a fruitful life as a Vereesa or Valeera poster.

[Teriz]

Which means you are correlating whatever you see fits what you want as the next expansion.

Has anything I said here gone misunderstood? Or do you not want a Dragon/Goblin expansion?

The steamscale seems to fit both criteria you want. Is that mere coincidence? No one seems convinced that it is, lol. You push for it so much that it's pretty obvious you want it to happen more than anything.

As I said, the mount that ties to the next expo has already been datamined, and it is not the Steamscale.

Again, you seem to be missing the point that there is a history of mounts and pets that foreshadow future content. I don't know why you keep missing this point, but those are simply the facts.

Lol, the Heart of the Aspects was datamined before the MoP anouncement, which is why everyone happens to look at the mounts as indicators since we never knew there was a connection at the time. It was just a curious looking store mount being datamined, no one really expected a full Pandaren expansion would be hinted at by a store mount of all things.

Incorrect. Heart of Aspects didn't enter the PTR until November of 2011, long after MoP's announcement.

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You don't know what "predicted" means.

If Blizzard releases a Tinker-themed expansion in 20 years, are you gonna say that BfA predicted a tinker expansion?

The TCG had a ghost horse. Did they predict a Shadowlands expansion in TBC?

Would you prefer "Foreshadowed"? Either way, the fact remains that a store pet in WotLK did give us a preview of future content multiple expansions before it was released. If you want to straw-man that instead of discuss it, that's your choice.

[Revamp Man]

The store mount in question is a mechanical dragon, and also has a pet companion that was released during Shadowlands and is also a mechanical dragon.

Looking at what was hinted at in BFA, it the Steamscale Incinerator and the Timeless Mechanical Dragonling are a combination of both themes;

Mechanical

Mechagon
Mekkatorque getting the Spark Reactor
Gazlowe becoming leader of the Goblins
Mekkatorque becoming King of the Gnomes
Tinker teams in Island Expeditions
Return to Kezan (2010 Developer mention)
Gallywix deposed
Tinker NPCs on Exiles Reach starter zone (shadowlands)

Dragons
Wrathion returns and is searching for the Dragon Isles
Vexonia brings in a new dragonflight (Voidwing)
Clutches of dragon eggs found with Alexstraza and within N'zoth
New Chromatic dragon seen in Island Expeditions alongside Black Dragons
Dragon boss at the end of Exiles' Reach (shadowlands)

And then you get the Steamscale Incinerator as part of a six month subscription three months before the release of 9.0. A year later, Blizzard releases the Timeless Mechanical Dragonling.

Again, this is all speculation, but I do believe it's worth discussing.

Ok let’s go with this

There’s two issues that i see

1. You are saying this fits a pattern with 1 previous case being the panda pet but you are using a mount. If this were a pattern there would have to be a store pet or mount in MoP that predicted Legion or WoD predicting BfA

2. Lorewise the steamscale was built while the pet was a natural thing

3.(my personal favorite) the pet wasn’t a shop item it was an event item…consider it a bonus unless the anniversary items from previous years also predict an expansion

[Lahis]

Luminous Starseeker hinted at BFA?

7.3 model released early. Closest we got were the Blizzcon mounts revealed and released before the expansion reveal.

Enchanted Fey Dragon hinted at WoD? (Don't even mention "Oh, but they were in Talador" as if they weren't just reusing that model)

Yes, the Draenei on Draenor use them. And besides that one, there were also the Iron Horde chimera and the Ravager mount released during pandaria before WoD's reveal.

Steamscale Incinerator hinted at Shadowlands?

No, but Sylvarian Dreamer is straight from Ardenweald.

[Revamp Man]

A store pet from WotLK predicted MoP.

And a hidden npc predicted legion

[Teriz]

Ok let’s go with this

There’s two issues that i see

1. You are saying this fits a pattern with 1 previous case being the panda pet but you are using a mount. If this were a pattern there would have to be a store pet or mount in MoP that predicted Legion or WoD predicting BfA

I never said it was a pattern. I'm merely pointing out the precedent.

2. Lorewise the steamscale was built while the pet was a natural thing

I don't see how that's relevant.

3.(my personal favorite) the pet wasn’t a shop item it was an event item…consider it a bonus unless the anniversary items from previous years also predict an expansion

The Timeless Mechanical Dragonling is tied to the Steamscale Incinerator, which indicates that whatever this is, it carried over from BFA to Shadowlands meaning that neither are part of either expansion, but something else.

That's the point.

[Makorus]

7.3 model released early. Closest we got were the Blizzcon mounts revealed and released before the expansion reveal.

Yes, the Draenei on Draenor use them. And besides that one, there were also the Iron Horde chimera and the Ravager mount released during pandaria before WoD's reveal.
No, but Sylvarian Dreamer is straight from Ardenweald.

And my point is that they were not mobs from new expansions turned into mounts, but mounts turned into mobs in new expansions. Nothing in their description or anything mentions ANYTHING close to the expansion they are supposedly from. Hell, the Sylverian Dreamer is apparently from a magical dream world, certainly not Ardenweald. The Enchanted Feydragon literally mentions it to be Brightwings brother and has nothing referencing Outlands or Draenor. The Ravager was released in WoD, and the Chimaera was released when WoD was announced.

I mean, the best case to point out here is the Enchanted Fey Dragon. Makes ZERO sense to be on Draenor.

[Revamp Man]

Luminous Starseeker hinted at BFA?

Enchanted Fey Dragon hinted at WoD? (Don't even mention "Oh, but they were in Talador" as if they weren't just reusing that model)

Steamscale Incinerator hinted at Shadowlands?

Winged Guardian hinted at MoP?

Idk why you mentioned steamscale when it was after the announcement

I was still disappointed about it when I got the dragon

[Triceron]

Again, you seem to be missing the point that there is a history of mounts and pets that foreshadow future content. I don't know why you keep missing this point, but those are simply the facts.

Yes, the last store mount before the release of the next expansion.

Which would be the Drakemountemerald-buff mount that was datamined.

Honestly, if we got Dragon Isles that had no connection to Gnomes and Goblins, you'd probably still think the Steamscale was a hint towards it.

[KayRule]

How will DarkRangercels feel when Tinker is finally revealed and Dark Ranger continues to already be in the game as Hunter?

Also the fact that Dragon Isles has an identical random mention "huh we don't really know anything about this" in the most recent WoW coffee table book the same way Shadowlands before it's release should pretty much end any debate on where the next expansion is.