1. #28961
    Herald of the Titans Nightshade711's Avatar
    1+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Feb 2022
    Location
    K’aresh
    Posts
    2,580
    I am interested to see what the transmog set for the deluxe edition is. All datamining has found was a few encrypted wearables in a set.
    (Again assuming it’s for the deluxe edition/preorder)
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Chen isn't a Monk

  2. #28962
    Quote Originally Posted by Totally Not Dragons View Post
    Unless we have confirmation the new scarlet leader pushing the false heir is a guy
    It's possible that when they were refering to the heir of Lordaeron they weren't being totally literal: They were talking about Turalyon, the oldest living human of the Lordaeron aristocracy. The next question would be "what was the point of this storyline?" Why were they sowing dissonance within Stormwind? Was it to set up that the Alliance rejects Anduin post-shadowlands? That they prefer Turalyon as a leader? That would put the Alliance & Horde in an interesting juxtaposition: The Alliance, led by union of Light & Void with Turalyon & Alleria, and the Horde led by the union of Day & Night, with Lor'themar & Thalyssria.

  3. #28963
    Immortal Shadochi's Avatar
    7+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Location
    The Shit Throne
    Posts
    7,802
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Interesting... I thought we all agreed that dragons would be a major part of the next expansion. When did that change?
    If you read the rest of my post you could see that I am not saying that dragons aren't the major part, I am just saying that the phoenix is a model that they might use in a zone/part of a zone. The store mounts never gave the main plot away. That is where post announcement Deluxe Edition mounts come in (Which for now as far as we know for 10.0 is in fact and Emerald Drake). The Steamscale mount is not released in the current expansion to be used as a hint, and if you were to read all the descriptions of all mounts in the store you could pull many threads about possible expansions.

    And especially if you looked at store mounts descriptions that were part of the following expansion:

    Dreamer - Nothing to do with Shadowlands or Ardenweald (BfA)
    An artist in the magical city of Dalaran fell asleep on her brush, and dreamed of painting a beautiful feathered dragon. Her artwork lept from the page, and when she awoke, she found it sleeping gently beside her.
    Vulpine Familiar (BfA) - Nothing to do with Shadowlands or Ardenweald
    A fiercely intelligent and curious species, these fox-like creatures have traveled the Great Dark Beyond and found their way to Azeroth. Drawn to Azeroth's champions, they seek adventure and companionship.
    Mystic Runesaber (WoD)- This one is closest because it mentions the Nether. But Leylines are pretty much just a Suramar and a bit of Azsuna thing. Still not Burning Legion themed
    Infused with arcane power, the Mystic Runesaber has long been hidden by chaotic nether energies. Recently they have emerged from the shadows in search of ley lines to sate their thirst for magic.


    As for the 2 possible creatures used in 10.0:
    Sapphire Skyblazer - not native to azeroth?
    These brilliant blue birds burn brighter (and hotter) than their orange cousins, though the origin of both remains a mystery.

    In-Game Store:
    It's not quite certain why Sapphire Skyblazers flocked to Azeroth, but what's known for sure is that they burn brighter (and hotter!) than any avian to ever soar across the skies.
    Sunwarmed Furline - enemies of birds on Azeroth
    The presence of the giant felines heralds the beginning of the end for the birds of Azeroth.

    So based on this I guess the next expansion is steering away from Faction conflict and is Birds vs Cats (didn't one of the leaks claim a catlike race?) /s
    #1 Hype-Thread Shitposter - Overlord of the Hypethread

  4. #28964
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    They're mechanical dragons, thus they would be tied to a dragon expansion.
    But it's not a mount tied to any future expansion. That's the point.

    You're arbitrarily talking about a store mount that is unrelated to any future expansion. I mean you might as well start bringing up the Pirate ship mount and talking about that too, because it's got nothing to do with the future expansion tie in.

    There's only one mount and it's already datamined as being the one with the drakemountemerald_buff.

  5. #28965
    Merely a Setback Teriz's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Soul of Azeroth
    Posts
    29,186
    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    But it's not a mount tied to any future expansion. That's the point.
    And you know this how exactly?

    You're arbitrarily talking about a store mount that is unrelated to any future expansion.
    Any future expansion that we know of.


    There's only one mount and it's already datamined as being the one with the drakemountemerald_buff.
    There's a history of WoW mounts and pets foreshadowing future content. In this case, we have both a mount and a pet.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadochi View Post
    If you read the rest of my post you could see that I am not saying that dragons aren't the major part, I am just saying that the phoenix is a model that they might use in a zone/part of a zone. The store mounts never gave the main plot away. That is where post announcement Deluxe Edition mounts come in (Which for now as far as we know for 10.0 is in fact and Emerald Drake). The Steamscale mount is not released in the current expansion to be used as a hint, and if you were to read all the descriptions of all mounts in the store you could pull many threads about possible expansions.
    The difference here is that we got both a mount and a pet utilizing the same skin. There is a history of WoW mounts showing aspects of future content, and we have a history of pets outright foreshadowing future content (Pandaren Monk Pet WotLK). As I said in another post, in the case of the mechanical dragons, not only do we have a mount and a pet, but they're connected because the pet is the companion to the mount.

  6. #28966
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Eh... it's fair to say that given the history of Warcraft, some concepts make more sense than others. WoW classes in particular seem to require a high level of established lore before being implemented as classes.
    I know you aren't actually going to listen to what I say here, but they can create lore for any of these things at any time. Dev team changes hands, different concepts become popular, they can make whatever they want.

    "Monks" weren't a Warcraft 3 class, Brewmasters were, and outside of a joke pet and a quest, Pandaren were 0% established in WoW itself; over 95% of what WoW Monks are was created specifically within MoP. If there's even a nebulous concept and people like it, they'll work with it.

    You're gonna need to trust me on this, but it's not as cut and dry as you think.

    Besides, since your argument is typically against Bards, they can make direct references to the April Fools joke Bard if they want and go from there.
    Last edited by Zankai27; 2022-03-15 at 12:32 AM.

  7. #28967
    Quote Originally Posted by bagina View Post
    :P
    Beautiful. Just to put the final nail in the dragon coffin, all the stuff I posted was fake as well. Was gonna just do the one and done post, but got real lucky with the xfaction announcement so I figured I had to keep it going and made the stupid ms paint map, expecting that it would be laughed out of the thread. I made everything purposely boring to make it sound more realistic.

    I hope 10.0 blows all our pants off and makes everyone's leaks look bad.

  8. #28968
    Merely a Setback Teriz's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Soul of Azeroth
    Posts
    29,186
    Quote Originally Posted by Zankai27 View Post
    I know you aren't actually going to listen to what I say here, but they can create lore for any of these things at any time. Dev team changes hands, different concepts become popular, they can make whatever they want.

    "Monks" weren't a Warcraft 3 class, Brewmasters were, and outside of a joke pet and a quest, Pandaren were 0% established in WoW itself; over 70% of what WoW Monks are was created specifically within MoP. If there's even a nebulous concept and people like it, they'll work with it.

    You're gonna need to trust me on this, but it's not as cut and dry as you think.
    Uh what? Pandaren got quite a bit of lore from WC3;

    Hailing from the secretive Pandaren Empire, the mighty brewmasters travel the world in search of exotic ales and the finest brewed spirits. These affable warriors rarely seek out danger or trouble, preferring instead to spend their time concocting new and tasty beverages for any brave enough to imbibe them. However, if attacked, the laughing brewmasters bring all of their pandaren agility and ferocity to bear! They even bring their beer to war! They are peerless warriors and world class drinkers all in one![1]

    A warrior Hero, the brewmasters of Pandaria have emerged from the bamboo forests of their ancestors to bring their unique fighting style (and robust ales) to the highest bidder
    That's just from the Brewmaster hero.

    Then there was this;

    http://classic.battle.net/war3/pandaren/

    Some of those items should look familiar.

    Also if you follow this link;

    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Pandaren

    And skip down to the RPG, you get a load of more lore about the Pandaren, and all of that was BEFORE MoP. Blizzard used quite a bit of lore from that and the Brewmaster RPG class to build the eventual monk class.

    BTW, there was no Bard hero in WC3, and no Bard class in the TTRPG.

  9. #28969
    Quote Originally Posted by therewillbedragons View Post
    Beautiful. Just to put the final nail in the dragon coffin, all the stuff I posted was fake as well. Was gonna just do the one and done post, but got real lucky with the xfaction announcement so I figured I had to keep it going and made the stupid ms paint map, expecting that it would be laughed out of the thread. I made everything purposely boring to make it sound more realistic.

    I hope 10.0 blows all our pants off and makes everyone's leaks look bad.
    Well, I would certainly say that today was a productive day indeed. We learned a lot about these "leaks" which can finally shine a light on some speculation. Excited for April 19th!

  10. #28970
    Herald of the Titans Nightshade711's Avatar
    1+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Feb 2022
    Location
    K’aresh
    Posts
    2,580
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Uh what? Pandaren got quite a bit of lore from WC3;



    That's just from the Brewmaster hero.

    Then there was this;

    http://classic.battle.net/war3/pandaren/

    Some of those items should look familiar.
    This was literally an actual April fools joke btw.
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Chen isn't a Monk

  11. #28971
    Merely a Setback Teriz's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Soul of Azeroth
    Posts
    29,186
    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    This was literally an actual April fools joke btw.
    An April Fool's joke that eventually turned into this;


  12. #28972
    The Undying Slowpoke is a Gamer's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    World of Wisconsin
    Posts
    37,245
    Quote Originally Posted by Skildar View Post
    love the bad timing XD
    That timing made me laugh hardest of anything in this thread.
    FFXIV - Maduin (Dynamis DC)

  13. #28973
    Herald of the Titans Nightshade711's Avatar
    1+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Feb 2022
    Location
    K’aresh
    Posts
    2,580
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    An April Fool's joke that eventually turned into this;

    Concepts were adapted over from the joke for sure.
    Doesn’t mean the April Fools joke for WC3 has actual Pandaren lore.

    By that logic this also is lore.
    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Bard_(April_Fools)

    And by that logic this is going to be a thing as well
    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Ogre_(April_Fools)

    Oh look, it even has backing in HotS with Cho’Gal, clearly they’re wanting two headed ogres to be playable.
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Chen isn't a Monk

  14. #28974
    Merely a Setback Teriz's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Soul of Azeroth
    Posts
    29,186
    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    Concepts were adapted over from the joke for sure.
    Doesn’t mean the April Fools joke for WC3 has actual Pandaren lore.

    By that logic this also is lore.
    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Bard_(April_Fools)

    And by that logic this is going to be a thing as well
    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Ogre_(April_Fools)

    Oh look, it even has backing in HotS with Cho’Gal, clearly they’re wanting two headed ogres to be playable.
    Actually, if you read the April Fool's lore behind Pandaria and the actual history Blizzard used, they're extremely close. So yeah, Blizzard used quite a bit from the original April Fool's for WoW's Pandaren lore.

    In comparison, I have yet to see a Blood Elf playing a guitar Guitar-hero style in WoW.

  15. #28975
    Well as I thought when first posted, EoD was faked. Pretty sad to be honest, Empire of Dragons and Ashes of Galakaros both sounded pretty good, even if the first one was just a name. I'm hoping the real 10.0 is still something along those lines.

  16. #28976
    Let's not derail this thread about what can/will and can't/won't happen. Never is a long time.
    On silken ebony wings the harbinger of death arrives.

  17. #28977
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    An April Fool's joke that eventually turned into this;

    Do you...not understand that this is the entire point of what I'm saying? It's literally the point.

    Besides that, Warcraft 3 is over now. Everything it was is done. They can take inspiration from whatever part of the game they want.

    Dragons also weren't a class or major element of Warcraft 3. They featured less than Pandaren. So by that logic we can't have a dragon class based on WoW's main dragons.

  18. #28978
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Again, the difference being that the Steamscale was announced and released after the announcement of Shadowlands.
    What does this foreshadow besides you ignoring the other shadowlands shop mounts?

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Zankai27 View Post
    Do you...not understand that this is the entire point of what I'm saying? It's literally the point.
    His april fools joke matters & your april fools joke doesn't apparently. That's what he's been spending pages saying.

  19. #28979
    Merely a Setback Teriz's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Soul of Azeroth
    Posts
    29,186
    Quote Originally Posted by Zankai27 View Post
    Do you...not understand that this is the entire point of what I'm saying? It's literally the point.

    Besides that, Warcraft 3 is over now. Everything it was is done. They can take inspiration from whatever part of the game they want.
    Except you're not seeming to get it; The Brewmaster, Chen Stormstout , the Pandaren, and Pandaria in WC3 set up a lore basis for the eventual Monk class in WoW.

    We DON'T have that for Bards in ANY sense. We never have. Further, unlike Wrathion, Mekkatorque, Anduin, or Velen, Blizzard has never built up a Bard lore hero in WoW. They have had decades to do so.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    What does this foreshadow besides you ignoring the other shadowlands shop mounts?
    The Steamscale was a BFA shop mount, coming at the tail end of the expansion. Again, it appeared to merge the two major themes that were hinted at throughout BFA; Gnome/Goblin Technology and Dragons. I have no idea what it foreshadows, but it along with the Timeless Mechanical Dragonling are foreshadowing something.

  20. #28980
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Except you're not seeming to get it; The Brewmaster and its abilities and Chen Stormstout along with the Pandaren and Pandaria set up a lore basis for the eventual Monk class in WoW.

    We DON'T have that for Bards in ANY sense. We never have. Further, unlike Wrathion, Mekkatorque, Anduin, or Velen, Blizzard has never built up a Bard lore hero in WoW. They have had decades to do so.
    My dude, they have bits and pieces to pull from wherever they want. Russel the Bard, the Bard April Fools joke, random Bards. You're dramatically overselling the forethought put into Pandaren lore in Warcraft 3.

    You really shouldn't argue so hard with *me*, considering my initial post was in *defense* of new class ideas. It wasn't directed at you, just because you want a specific two class(es) and don't like when other people have other ideas. I'm one of the people who is completely for new class ideas. In all senses.

    Lore explanations are easy. All of these points aside, give it up. You have to stop taking the lore and "things being set up" so seriously, anyway, because obviously the writers don't.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •