Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Kiivar86]

I can tell you why: because it's headcannon / fanfiction. Something on the moon? lol

What's wrong with the moon(s)? They seem like a fairly common place to go, particularly in fantasy games.

Everquest's done it, FFXIV's about to do it. SWTOR might have done it since I mean, worlds and all.

Elder scrolls reached the moon in lore too I believe (something about the khajit stacking upon one another).

[Sondrelk]

And both are smaller than 8.2. But that wasn't my point though.

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I can tell you why: because it's headcannon / fanfiction. Something on the moon? lol

We have to deal with the Jailer. That's what we know. Everything else is unclear. Sure, all of your stuff could possibly happen. Ogre continent in WoD could've happened, too.

I feel the question of what patch is bigger is kinda pointless though. The only constant with patch sizes is that Blizzard only really has the resources for one big and one small/medium zone per expansion.
Legion had nothing for 7.1, then a small zone in the updated Broken Shore and then a large 8or 3 small technically) with Argus.
BfA had both the small and the large zone in 8.2 with Mechagon and Nazjatar.

Now SL has Korthia, which I have not seen but I have heard is decently ssizeable. So it stands to reason that we are only likely to get a small or medium sized zone.

Of course the wildcard is reused assets zones, which in theory should be easier to make, but in practice could be extra effort when it isnt necessarily worth it.

[TheFirstOnes]

And both are smaller than 8.2. But that wasn't my point though.

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I can tell you why: because it's headcannon / fanfiction. Something on the moon? lol

We have to deal with the Jailer. That's what we know. Everything else is unclear. Sure, all of your stuff could possibly happen. Ogre continent in WoD could've happened, too.

My point was that they said 9.2 would be much bigger than 9.1, and 9.1 is bigger than 8.3. Nothing hard to get here.

Also, how's it headcanon? It's building shit up. Why do you think the Folklore Book and the Grimoire, which talks a lot of the First Ones and the Pantheon's of Death and (supposedly) Life are releasing NOW? Cause it's HINTING AT FUTURE CONTENT!

Ogre Continent doesn't exist because Goria is where Shattrath currently is. Shit got retconned bruh. Also, Farahlon and AU Draenor could still factor in, you know that right?

"I can tell you why: because it's headcannon / fanfiction. Something on the moon? lol" Why would the Moon be an issue? It could be that the Sepulcher's on the White Lady lmao.

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I feel the question of what patch is bigger is kinda pointless though. The only constant with patch sizes is that Blizzard only really has the resources for one big and one small/medium zone per expansion.
Legion had nothing for 7.1, then a small zone in the updated Broken Shore and then a large 8or 3 small technically) with Argus.
BfA had both the small and the large zone in 8.2 with Mechagon and Nazjatar.

Now SL has Korthia, which I have not seen but I have heard is decently ssizeable. So it stands to reason that we are only likely to get a small or medium sized zone.

Of course the wildcard is reused assets zones, which in theory should be easier to make, but in practice could be extra effort when it isnt necessarily worth it.

Korthia's about as big as the Broken Shore, or maybe Mechagon.

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What's wrong with the moon(s)? They seem like a fairly common place to go, particularly in fantasy games.

Everquest's done it, FFXIV's about to do it. SWTOR might have done it since I mean, worlds and all.

Elder scrolls reached the moon in lore too I believe (something about the khajit stacking upon one another).

Elder Scrolls has reached the moon. Elder Scrolls also has characters that 1 shot basically every Video Game verse.

[Wangming]

Blizzcon cancelled. 9.3 or 9.2 is the ending of SL, at this rate. :/

They said an online event early next year. Probably february again. Safe to say we will get a 10.0 reveal at that point. That would be 15 months into Shadowlands. Expansions released 9 to 16 months after reveal. So a 24-31 month long SL. Previously expansions lasted between 21 and 27 months.
The latter seems ideal as it is right in the middle of 24 and 31 without being unprecedentedly long. So a year after reveal. Pretty normal.

So if I count correctly 21 more months of SL. Let us cut off 10 months for the final raid tier (between 7 and 14 months) Leaves us with 11 more months. Considering 9.1 isn't out yet for a couple of weeks I'm not quite sure 9.3 can be squeezed in. Maybe, but it will be tight and will involve some very short raid tiers.

[TheFirstOnes]

They said an online event early next year. Probably february again. Safe to say we will get a 10.0 reveal at that point. That would be 15 months into Shadowlands. Expansions released 9 to 16 months after reveal. So a 24-31 month long SL. Previously expansions lasted between 21 and 27 months.
The latter seems ideal as it is right in the middle of 24 and 31 without being unprecedentedly long. So a year after reveal. Pretty normal.

So if I count correctly 21 more months of SL. Let us cut off 10 months for the final raid tier (between 7 and 14 months) Leaves us with 11 more months. Considering 9.1 isn't out yet for a couple of weeks I'm not quite sure 9.3 can be squeezed in. Maybe, but it will be tight and will involve some very short raid tiers.

That's what I was thinking.

Also, I got the whole Blizzconline thing now lmao, don't worry.

[Wangming]

What's wrong with the moon(s)? They seem like a fairly common place to go, particularly in fantasy games.

Everquest's done it, FFXIV's about to do it. SWTOR might have done it since I mean, worlds and all.

Elder scrolls reached the moon in lore too I believe (something about the khajit stacking upon one another).

Well Yavin IV is a moon. So is Endor. Oh and my favorite place in the sw universe. Nar Shaddaa. So yes, going to the moon is no big deal for Star Wars.

[TheFirstOnes]

Well Yavin IV is a moon. So is Endor. Oh and my favorite place in the sw universe. Nar Shaddaa. So yes, going to the moon is no big deal for Star Wars.

Nor is going to a moon a big deal in WoW. We've been to a ton of other worlds in 7.3 alone. Hell, in TBC, we've been to Outland.

MY thing is that going to the moon in SL may be a big deal because the Sepulcher may be there.

[Wangming]

Nor is going to a moon a big deal in WoW. We've been to a ton of other worlds in 7.3 alone. Hell, in TBC, we've been to Outland.

MY thing is that going to the moon in SL may be a big deal because the Sepulcher may be there.

Turn another important location into patch content? Ugh.

[Sondrelk]

Turn another important location into patch content? Ugh.

Not all areas are worht making into full-fledged expansions. if you wanted to put even a modicum of effort in you could make literally any area with some significance its own expansion, that doesnt make it a good idea. if I wanted I could write a quick mockup for an expansion taking place entirely in Suramar, but that wouldnt mean it is a good idea.

[TheFirstOnes]

Turn another important location into patch content? Ugh.

Sure? Almost like patches exist for a reason.

[Raetary]

It could be that the Sepulcher's on the White Lady lmao.

Based on what?
There is absolutely nothing that indicates that in any way shape or form.

Nor does it make any sense unless you deliberately ignore that Azeroth is a literal baby world and the Shadowlands conflict has been ongoing since the near beginning of time.

[Makabreska]

Not all areas are worht making into full-fledged expansions. if you wanted to put even a modicum of effort in you could make literally any area with some significance its own expansion, that doesnt make it a good idea. if I wanted I could write a quick mockup for an expansion taking place entirely in Suramar, but that wouldnt mean it is a good idea.

True that. Like, people were mad Emerald Dream was turned into a raid only, but lore wise it's a primal Azeroth w/o any civilization, so no settlements etc. Sure, Blizz could do some bending but then we would have Northrend 2.0, where we arrived to a frozen wasteland that for some reason had entire towns already there together with big mausoleums beneath.

[Chickat]

I mean unless they reveal 10.0 at Gamescom, this is impossible. The only event after that they could do it at will be Blizzcon 2022 in presumably Feb/March of next year like this year's was.

And after that they'll have their usual longer than we think downtime, then streamer alpha, then beta, before launch.

Way I see it, if the announcement's delayed, the expansion's delayed. I figured it'd be in November/December 2022, now I'm expecting Q1 2023.

If it is a world revamp, I could see them pushing it to Q2 2023. Either way I think we should probably expect the reveal for 10.0 to be at Pax East in Spring 2022. Blizzvon 2022 will goin depth, and start the alpha that month. Beta early 2023. Release in like May.

[Wangming]

Not all areas are worht making into full-fledged expansions. if you wanted to put even a modicum of effort in you could make literally any area with some significance its own expansion, that doesnt make it a good idea. if I wanted I could write a quick mockup for an expansion taking place entirely in Suramar, but that wouldnt mean it is a good idea.

What can I say? I love when devs make efforts. Well anyway it is safe to say Endwalker will release before 9.2. The Moon there has one confirmed zone and one maybe zone. We shall see which one has more stuff to it.

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Sure? Almost like patches exist for a reason.

Same is true for expansions. They expand things. Like the lore or the map.

[Kiivar86]

Well Yavin IV is a moon. So is Endor. Oh and my favorite place in the sw universe. Nar Shaddaa. So yes, going to the moon is no big deal for Star Wars.

True though I wasn't sure what moons players have been to in the MMO, as it has been a long time. But I do recall Nar Shaddaa so there we go then.

It would be weird for everything so important to the universe at large to be centered around Azeroth but eh, that's cheap writing for you, really.

[Nightmare Queen]

Maybe one day we'll go to diffrent planets in the Great Dark? There's several things in the Shadowlands that hint at other worlds existing

[Raetary]

Maybe one day we'll go to diffrent planets in the Great Dark? There's several things in the Shadowlands that hint at other worlds existing

You mean... like Argus, Draenor, Elunaria, Nathreza, etc?

[Varodoc]

We've known other planets existed since WC1

[Dracullus]

Not all areas are worht making into full-fledged expansions. if you wanted to put even a modicum of effort in you could make literally any area with some significance its own expansion, that doesnt make it a good idea. if I wanted I could write a quick mockup for an expansion taking place entirely in Suramar, but that wouldnt mean it is a good idea.

People act like this fantasy world is real and some day we will run out from places to go. On every expac most zones are fresh lore, usually well known place turn out to be just 1 zone (Outland - Hellfire, Northend - Icecrown, Broken Isles - Broken Shore). And some zones fits better as climax of story, Argus is perfect example.

Not to mention literally every continent could be fully revamped. Currently almost every expac is optional (and lorewise nothing stop them from just puting old continent as Chromie option).

[Sondrelk]

You mean... like Argus, Draenor, Elunaria, Nathreza, etc?

Don't forget places like Naigtal which we saw in the 7.3 patch and which have gotten more lore added in Shadowlands.
It all kinda goes back to the big question of why go to new areas all the time when we could spend that time in older zones getting a more coherently flowing narrative.
I don't need each patch to include a dedicated Darkshire patch, but I would have loved at least a couple more in-depths visists to important areas like Stratholme to see if it at least stopped burning one day.